anyone over 2 yrs trying to conceive #2?

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Hey girlies
i am 26 with a daughter aged 5 n half by a previous partner,
my now partner has a child also and we have been trying since my depo injection ran out in march 2010.
i have been through months of depression over this but seem to have come out the other side and accepted gonna have to go to doc and get me minnie poked n prodded n try see what going on.
asked for an up to date u/s scan few months back but was told no as the one i had july 11 was all normal/healthy. Last couple weeks have been in agony (suspect one of my evil cysts i get sometimes is making a nuiscance of itself but regarding this as somewhat of a blessing coz means have to have an u/s scan)
I was following an awesome two week wait thread but as most of them were joining n leaving with their bfps realised i ought to make the move to shift on over to lttc and found secondary infertility so here i am lol.
kinda new to this side of things tho, ne ideas bout 1st steps in nhs to finding out why no baby in the baby purse? obviously am getting me u/s soon anyway and i previously had day 5 bloods done all fine. Do generally know ive ovulated due to pain but then maybe thats the problem. Also PCOS is that something you have always had or can you get it at any time?
 
hi,

i was 13yrs of no trying, not preventing and now im on month 2 off tcc. i have had 2 lovely girls without any worries but the gap between them was 4 years so i think 2 yrs is not too bad. sadly some get pregnant quicker than most i think im clearly hard to get :haha: so i wouldnt lose hope as rlly it will happen when nature intends it too. :hugs:
 
Yes I have been consistently trying for over 3 years. I recommend going to a specialist to find out what is going on. I have gone to two & now going to try a third!

Good luck !! Keep uP the hope
 
Hello hun,

Im 21 and have been TTC no:2 for 2 year's 3 month's and on 28th cycle today. I understand you feeling and I know it is not easy. My doctor aint willing to help and I know i have secondary infertility. I will saty in touch and hopefully we can share our story's. Sorry to hear your's so far hun. It's sad when all you want is a baby, somethink our bodie's are ment to make but for some reason we just aint as lucky as other's. x x x
 
Hi HUN. Well, not 2 years but 17 months (and it feels like an eternity) we have been trying for number 2. I have ovulation issues/pcos and long cycles :( Ive tried clomid4 times now and this cycle its failed too.
I understand totally the heartache and pain. Please keep in contact. Any of you who need a shoulder. I hope we all get our bfps. We definitely deserve them! xx
 
thanks for joining, sorry you are struggling also
-can i be nosey, with your pcos issues, how did they discover those n did u know pre-ttc?
i had 3 depo shots, last one ran out early 2010. i was wondering if am not ovulating properly as get really bad pain at that time but on me u/s scan, it showed me ovary to be very enlarged with "thickening on it" -does that sound like pcos sort of thing to u hun? also my cycles have dropped from regular 28 days, to 23 last time and this time had what i thought was sign of AF on day 23 but no AF yet.
Sorry to hear the clomid hasnt worked for you yet. Fingers crossed you will get ur BFP soon chick.
 
Hi can I join too?
5+ yrs activly ttc but roughly 4 yrs before that ntnp.

Nice to talk to people in the same situation, iv been on this site for years and seen so many people go through 2 pregnancys.

It gets so hard sometimes and iv also hit really bad low times esp after my short lived BFP in 2010.
Feels like I'm always left behind in the normal ttc threads, which I NEVER go on anymore.

Loads of luck to you all xx
 
thanks for joining, sorry you are struggling also
-can i be nosey, with your pcos issues, how did they discover those n did u know pre-ttc?
i had 3 depo shots, last one ran out early 2010. i was wondering if am not ovulating properly as get really bad pain at that time but on me u/s scan, it showed me ovary to be very enlarged with "thickening on it" -does that sound like pcos sort of thing to u hun? also my cycles have dropped from regular 28 days, to 23 last time and this time had what i thought was sign of AF on day 23 but no AF yet.
Sorry to hear the clomid hasnt worked for you yet. Fingers crossed you will get ur BFP soon chick.

Hi gnome.
I started having irregular periods in 2007 after having the coil fitted for 3 years. I had it removed and my cycles were wacko. We were not ttc then but I wanted to find out what was going on so I had a scan which showed multiple follicles or cysts which is a pcos symptom. My blood work also showed an imbalance in androgens which a male hormone which also shows pcos. I was on birth control pills when I fell pregnant with my first child. We have Ben trying very hard since April 2011 :( and nothing at all. I don't ovulate regularly but I lost a lot of weight and my doctor tells me my hormone levels are normal now (excess weight makes symptoms rose whn you have pcos) the thickening might be a sign of pcos but your Shorter than average cycles are not usual with pcos. It's usually longer cycles. Do you take your basal body temp? This is the best way to see if and when you are ovulating and get an idea of what's going on.
Thanks for the kind wishes. All my friends who I was pregnant with on here with my first child have all had their second/or are pregnant feel so sorry for myself :cry::cry: I hope it's our turn next xxxx
 
thank you for the info.
funnily enough i got pregnant with my 1st on the pill too :) had 2 pregs on contraception altho the 2nd 1 went early, cant seem to get preg off the contraception lol.
well ladies, broken or not our uteruses may tune in to the thread also and decide to take action :haha:
shouldnt joke sorry, some days am just in despair n some days have to mock meself a bit yknow?
how old are we all then? im 26 x
 
oh n i cant chart temps as am up at all hours of the night to pee n thirsty n unprdicted times to wake up due to daughter changing times for getting up .
gonna go harass the gp for my day 21 bloods in coupla weeks time n take it from there. x
 
Littleone2010 Can I just correct you, with PCOS you can have irregular or regular or NO cycle's At all and shortening cyce's Is a sign of PCOS. My siter has PCOS and had no period for over 6 month's from the day she came of the pill (which she has been on for years) without any med's my sister got her period back the other week.

What is polycystic ovary syndrome?

Polycystic (literally, many cysts) ovary syndrome (PCOS or PCO) is a complex condition that affects the ovaries (the organs in a woman's body that produce eggs).
It's complex because there are some very typical appearances in the ovaries that give the condition its name. But these are not always present and do not have to be present.
In PCOS, the ovaries are generally bigger than average. The outer surface of the ovary has an abnormally large number of small follicles (the sac of fluid that grows around the egg under the influence of stimulating hormones from the brain).
There are also characteristic changes in the appearance of the ovaries on an ultrasound scan.
The ovaries are polycystic, with many small follicles scattered under the surface of the ovary (usually more than 10 or 15 in each ovary) and almost none in the middle of the ovary. These follicles are all small and immature, and generally do not exceed 10mm in size and rarely, if ever, grow to maturity and ovulate.
In PCOS, these follicles remain immature, never growing to full development or ovulating to produce an egg capable of being fertilised. For the woman, this means that she rarely ovulates (releases an egg) and so is less fertile. In addition, she doesn't have regular periods and may go for many weeks without a period. Other features of the condition are excess weight and body hair.
The condition is relatively common among infertile women. If affects up to 10 per cent of all women between the ages of 15 and 50 and is particularly common among women with ovulation problems (an incidence of about 75 per cent).
In the general population, around 25 per cent of women will have polycystic ovaries seen on an ultrasound examination. But most have no other symptoms or signs of PCOS and have no health problems. The ultrasound appearance is also found in up to 14 per cent of women on the oral contraceptive pill.
What causes PCOS?

While it's not certain if women are born with this condition, PCOS seems to run in families. This means that something that induces the condition is inheritable, and therefore influenced by one or more genes.
Ongoing research is trying to clarify whether there's a clearly identifiable gene for PCOS. Several different genes have been implicated in the condition – none have been definitely implicated as being the prime cause. Perhaps this role of several genes, and not one in particular, is what lies behind the way in which the condition is expressed so differently in people.
We know that PCOS has some genetic basis, but it's unlikely that all women with one or more of these genes will develop the condition. It's more likely to develop, if there's a family history of diabetes (especially Type 2, the less severe type usually controlled by tablets) or if there's early baldness in the men in the family.
When the genetic tendency for PCOS is passed down through the man's side of the family, the men are not infertile – but they do have a tendency to become bald early in life, before the age of 30.
A number of marker proteins have also been identified in the blood of women with PCOS, further supporting the view that this is a genetically determined disorder.
Women are also more at risk if they're overweight. Maintaining weight or body mass index (BMI) below a critical threshold is probably important to determine whether some women develop the symptoms and physical features of the condition. Just how much weight (or what level of BMI) is difficult to say because it will be different for each individual.
Certainly, for patients who are considered overweight (BMI 25 to 30) or obese (with BMI greater than 30), weight loss improves the hormonal abnormalities and improves the likelihood of ovulation and therefore pregnancy.
Can PCOS be prevented?

Not being certain of the exact cause makes it difficult to answer this question fully.
If there's a genetic influence, some people are more likely to get PCOS than others. But it seems likely that you cannot alter your predisposition to PCOS.
There's no current proof of any benefit of preventative weight loss. But the best advice for overall health is to maintain a normal weight or BMI, particularly if you have strong indicators that PCOS could affect you.

These indicators include:
  • a tendency in the family towards Type 2 diabetes (non-insulin dependent diabetes)
  • the knowledge that a close relative already has PCOS
  • a tendency towards early baldness in the men in the family (before 30 years of age).
What are the symptoms?


The ways that PCOS shows itself include:
  • absent or infrequent periods (oligomenorrhoea): a common symptom of PCOS. Periods can be as frequent as every five to six weeks, but might only occur once or twice a year, if at all
  • increased facial and body hair (hirsutism): usually found under the chin, on the upper lip, forearms, lower legs and on the abdomen (usually a vertical line of hair up to the umbilicus)
  • acne: usually found only on the face
  • infertility: infrequent or absent periods are linked with very occasional ovulation, which significantly reduces the likelihood of conceiving
  • overweight and obesity: a common finding in women with PCOS because their body cells are resistant to the sugar-control hormone insulin. This insulin resistance prevents cells using sugar in the blood normally and the sugar is stored as fat instead
  • miscarriage (sometimes recurrent): one of the hormonal abnormalities in PCOS, a raised level of luteinising hormone (LH - a hormone produced by the brain that affects ovary function), seems to be linked with miscarriage. Women with raised LH have a higher miscarriage rate (65 per cent of pregnancies end in miscarriage) compared with those who have normal LH values (around 12 per cent miscarriage rate).
These symptoms are related to several internal changes, some of which can be relatively easier understood in the light of the hormone abnormalities that are frequently found.

These include:
  • raised luteinising hormone (LH) in the early part of the menstrual cycle
  • raised androgens (male hormones usually found in women in tiny amounts)
  • lower amounts of the blood protein that carries all sex hormones (sex-hormone-binding globulin)
  • a small increase in the amount of insulin and cellular resistance to its actions
  • raised levels of anti-Mullerian hormone, when compared with women with normal regular cycles (this may become a more useful and accurate test than checking LH or the LH to FSH ratio).
Most women with PCOS will have the ultrasound findings, whereas the menstrual cycle abnormalities are found in around 66 per cent of women and obesity is found in 40 per cent. The increase in hair and acne are found in up to 70 per cent, whereas the hormone abnormalities are found in up to 50 per cent of women with PCOS.
How is PCOS diagnosed?

The diagnosis is based on the patient's symptoms and physical appearance.
If the diagnosis seems likely, because the patient's history contains many of the symptoms described already, certain investigations are done to provide confirmatory evidence or to indicate another cause for the symptoms.

These include:
  • blood tests such as:
    • female sex hormones (particular time points in the cycle are important for some of these)
    • male sex hormones
    • sex-hormone-binding globulin
    • glucose
    • thyroid function tests
    • other hormones, eg prolactin.
  • ultrasound examination.
Your own GP can do the initial blood investigations, ensuring they are carried out at the correct time of the cycle if appropriate. Your GP may be able to arrange an ultrasound scan.
Once the diagnosis is made, nothing more needs to be done for some women, eg if their fertility is not an issue, if their weight is within normal limits, and if they do not have excess body hair.
If any of the symptoms are an issue – further advice and treatment, and possibly specialist referral, is needed.
What else could it be?

The other conditions likely to cause abnormal periods include raised levels of prolactin and of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH). Both these hormones are produced from a particular part of the brain, the anterior pituitary.
Raised prolactin levels can occur together with headaches and some disturbances of vision, whereas raised TSH levels indicate low thyroid hormones (hypothyroidism). Both these conditions lead to suppressed ovulation and infertility.
Increased hair and acne reflect an increase in male hormones (androgens) in the blood. Other conditions can cause such an increase.
Rarely, adrenal disorders or tumours cause increased androgens. In these conditions: hirsutism usually develops quite rapidly, previously normal periods may also stop and, occasionally, muscle weakness occurs.
Loss of, or changes in, female aspects of body shape and appearance (secondary sexual characteristics), especially reduction in breast size, may also occur.
As the androgen excess progresses, the voice can deepen and the clitoris can increase in size (clitoromegaly). If these serious medical disorders are present, the male hormone levels will be considerably increased, way above those found in PCOS, and specialist treatment should be arranged.
What can you do for PCOS?

There are several things that an individual can do if they have a tendency towards developing some or all of the elements of PCOS. Much of this involves lifestyle changes to ensure that your weight is kept within normal limits (BMI between 19 and 25).
In addition, because there is a likelihood of developing diabetes in later life and a slightly higher risk of heart disease, low-fat and low-sugar options should be considered when making choices about what to eat or to drink.
Weight loss, or maintaining weight below a certain level, will have the short-term benefit of increasing the likelihood of successful treatment and the long-term benefits of reducing the risk of diabetes and heart disease.
Weight loss is effective in reducing male hormone levels, increasing the likelihood of ovulation and getting pregnant.
Using medications to lose weight may be effective, and orlistat is probably the most effective of these. Metformin on the other hand is probably not effective in helping to lose weight though evidence on this is conflicting.
It's interesting that despite all the research into PCOS, the exact relationship between the condition and weight gain (or loss) is unclear. But being overweight, and especially increased abdominal fat, seems to be a strong predictor of having other hormonal problems – such as raised male hormones and tendencies to having diabetes.
What can your doctor do?


Your family doctor will be able to provide many of the drug treatments available (although these are probably best taken in consultation with a specialist). Treatments aim to improve several aspects of PCOS, including:
  • fertility, via the stimulation of ovulation
  • reduction of the insulin resistance
  • reduction of the increased hair.
Treatments

The range of treatments available and their application are listed in Tables 1 and 2.
Table 1 deals with the treatments for improving fertility in women with PCOS (Homberg, 1998; Pirwany et al, 1999; Farquhar et al, 2000; Hughes et al, 2000a; Hughes et al, 2000b; Hughes et al, 2000c).
Table 2 deals with the treatments for other features of PCOS including hirsutism, irregular or absent periods and obesity. The evidence in favour of using of these medications to improve symptoms is not strong and reviewed elsewhere in detail.
Table 1: Treatments to improve fertility in women with polycystic ovary syndrome

Hope This Helped x x x
 
I'm just going by what my doctor told me and im going to listen to him rather Than what you have copy and pasted off the internet. That USUALLY people with pcos have longer cycles since the don't ovulate as regularly. This is the main reason pcos effects your fertility. I'm sure there are also people that has a shorter cycle or no cycles at all (people that aren't ovulating at all) but generally most sufferers have irregular periods and irregular cycles. Some people that have pcos don't even Have the symptoms and have perfect 28 day cycles.
 
Well I must say I found that really interesting and after all the reading up on pcos I have done it surprised me, thanks Hun xx

Littleone - I really think jess was just trying to help and it does sound like you are clued up on all this and that you have had a hard time ttc#2
Just hope we can all give each other much needed advice x
GL Hun x
 
Littleone I didnt mean to affend you. I actually got it wrong it's menpause that can cause perid's and cycle's to shorten so sorry if I made you feel affending didnt mean to, But that was very rude of you. x x x

thx bumski. x x x
 
TMI
had diarrhoea at approx 12 dpo. had awful pains last night like i normally get at OV, was due today so gearing myself up to be pleased to be back to a 28 day cycle. it doesnt look right. it dry n dark brown n not enough to fill a tampon. i know this is AF starting but im still insanely googling implantation bleeds. sick of this mind trickery that goes on every time AF due. just makes the disappointment worse each time u know? it over 2 n half yrs now since my contraception ran out, caught pregnant with my little girl on the pill with the idiot that is her father and here i am with the love of my life and i cant do what should be the most natural thing in the world. sorry for the rant but just needed to vent u know?x
 
Oh hun don't worry about venting, it's a good job we have bnb to do just that, I had ib when I fell pg in 2010 and was sure it was af, hoping it's not af for you x
Well I will be in my first 2ww in 2 years in a couple of weeks as finally have my embryos put bk on 22nd :) x
 
Oh hun don't worry about venting, it's a good job we have bnb to do just that, I had ib when I fell pg in 2010 and was sure it was af, hoping it's not af for you x
Well I will be in my first 2ww in 2 years in a couple of weeks as finally have my embryos put bk on 22nd :) x

yayyy for the embryos!!!ohhh how exciting!!!! :) good luck hope it all goes well! xx :happydance: so how long between them putting them where they needs to be and knowing if they decided to set up home?how many do they put in?

im ok today, just gota have patience for couple more weeks til had next scan on me dodgy ovary then can go to gp n start getting somewhere with the whole not getting anywhere lol. i feel like my ovary is glued to something n it all hurts. hoping they can find what prob is so can start looking into help etc.
 
Sound's like it's a bitta good news for you too. Glad to hear it and hopefully BFP's will come soon. x x x

Well Iv been accepted to try the clearblue fertility monitor with stick's for three month's. But I most likely miss this month as I dont think I'll recieve it untill next cycle. x x x
 
hey girls, how goes it?
jess how u gettin on with cb fm? i got this overwhelming urge to call u jessie K lol god knows y.
i had me day 21 progesterone checked, 28, which i dont know what to make of. from reading up off t'internet seems america class over 20 as good n england over 30 so god knows. any ideas?
whats the crack then wheres everybody at? xxxx
 

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