Anyone planning on NOT vaccinating your baby?

[Pearls18]

My MIL said it was common place to have measles as a child and is shocked there is so much panic as complications are so rare.

I wonder what the percentage of complications/deaths will be?

I don't know tbh, I thought one of the bad things about measles was it can cause infertility? Or am I confusing it with something else? I guess the concern though is that while plenty of people could fight it off, vulnerable people such as pregnant women, young children and the elderley may not so in effect we need to contain it by immunising? I don't know, as I say it's not something I usually 'debate'.

 

[Natsku]

My MIL said it was common place to have measles as a child and is shocked there is so much panic as complications are so rare.

I wonder what the percentage of complications/deaths will be?

I don't know tbh, I thought one of the bad things about measles was it can cause infertility? Or am I confusing it with something else? I guess the concern though is that while plenty of people could fight it off, vulnerable people such as pregnant women, young children and the elderley may not so in effect we need to contain it by immunising? I don't know, as I say it's not something I usually 'debate'.

Thats mumps you're thinking of.

 

[Pearls18]

My MIL said it was common place to have measles as a child and is shocked there is so much panic as complications are so rare.

I wonder what the percentage of complications/deaths will be?

I don't know tbh, I thought one of the bad things about measles was it can cause infertility? Or am I confusing it with something else? I guess the concern though is that while plenty of people could fight it off, vulnerable people such as pregnant women, young children and the elderley may not so in effect we need to contain it by immunising? I don't know, as I say it's not something I usually 'debate'.

Thats mumps you're thinking of.

Thank you! We had an outbreak of this when I was a teenager, I got an extra booster for it before going on holiday to the States.

 

[xsadiex]

Measles can cause blindness very occasionally I think and very rarely meningitis but I think if a child with a good immune system gets it, they will most likely be ok once recovered. I think it used to be thought of as a 'normal' childhood disease like chicken pox.

 

[Natsku]

Many diseases used to be considered normal but I'm glad we can vaccinate against them now. Infant mortality used to be fairly common but I'm glad its rare now. We should be very glad for medical advances that make those things that used to be normal, rare.

 

[Piper84]

Measles can cause blindness very occasionally I think and very rarely meningitis but I think if a child with a good immune system gets it, they will most likely be ok once recovered. I think it used to be thought of as a 'normal' childhood disease like chicken pox.

Children under 5 are also more likely to develop complications, as are adults over 20 and people who have a poor diet.

 

[LegoHouse]

My OH had measles as a baby and was fine.

My daughter had her MMR at 2.5 years as that's when I felt she was at risk.

My son will be having his around 1.5, as with having an older sister and us doing the school run, I feel he is at risk a lot earlier.

I don't think you should take other children into your decision. Your children should be your priority. You should do what you decide is best, as long as you have made an informed decision.

 

[staralfur]

I don't think it should be your deciding factor, necessarily, but I absolutely think people should take at-risk children into consideration. Kind of a poor attitude not to, in my opinion.

 

[Natsku]

I don't think it should be your deciding factor, necessarily, but I absolutely think people should take at-risk children into consideration. Kind of a poor attitude not to, in my opinion.

I agree. But thats the problem with the world today, people don't seem to take others into consideration

 

[Piper84]

Pregnant women are also pretty vulnerable to an unimmunised child.

I think there's an Agatha Christie (The Mirror Crack'd from Side to Side) where the killer's motive is that she was infected by the victim with German measles while pregnant and her baby was born with mental disabilities.

 

[LegoHouse]

I can't word this in a way that doesn't make me sound like an absolute cow on the internet. I'm not really a cow lol

I hope that all those vulnerable people are being well looked after, but if I thought about vulnerable people every time I did anything I'd never be able to think about anything else. Ultimately my decision is based on when my children are in danger, and if they did unfortunately contract measles then I would consider other people and keep them away from them.

Chicken pox is dangerous for people who are vulnerable too, but people in the UK won't be vaccinating against that because it isn't free.

 

[Piper84]

I can't word this in a way that doesn't make me sound like an absolute cow on the internet. I'm not really a cow lol

I hope that all those vulnerable people are being well looked after, but if I thought about vulnerable people every time I did anything I'd never be able to think about anything else. Ultimately my decision is based on when my children are in danger, and if they did unfortunately contract measles then I would consider other people and keep them away from them.

Chicken pox is dangerous for people who are vulnerable too, but people in the UK won't be vaccinating against that because it isn't free.

But you're not putting your children in danger by immunising them. Quite the opposite

 

[LegoHouse]

Well that's your opinion.

 

[sequeena]

My son has been immunised against chicken pox but he was 2 weeks old at the time. We thought he'd been exposed to it and I'd never had chicken pox. What he'd actually been exposed to was a bacterial infection which for him turned into sepsis now I wouldn't mind a vaccine for that!!

 

[staralfur]

but if I thought about vulnerable people every time I did anything I'd never be able to think about anything else

I'm not saying think about them ALL the time, but when you're making a decision that could directly affect them, don't you think it's at least worth a thought?

 

[Sunshinebubs]

I can't word this in a way that doesn't make me sound like an absolute cow on the internet. I'm not really a cow lol

I hope that all those vulnerable people are being well looked after, but if I thought about vulnerable people every time I did anything I'd never be able to think about anything else. Ultimately my decision is based on when my children are in danger, and if they did unfortunately contract measles then I would consider other people and keep them away from them.

Chicken pox is dangerous for people who are vulnerable too, but people in the UK won't be vaccinating against that because it isn't free.

Im with you on this. I do care about other people but ultimately my final decisions come down to what is right for MY family. There are risks to vaccinating, just like there are risks to not vaccinating. Agree with you entirely on the chicken pox thing too. No one I know that vaccinates is rushing to get that vaccine in order to help out 'the vulnerable people'.

Its always the same on this debate. It could go round and round. Agree to disagree.

 

[CMarie]

but if I thought about vulnerable people every time I did anything I'd never be able to think about anything else

I'm not saying think about them ALL the time, but when you're making a decision that could directly affect them, don't you think it's at least worth a thought?

Vaccinating my LO primarily (first and foremost) affects my LO therefore, I will always consider his needs in front of the needs of others. Like Sunshine said, there are risks with vaccinating and should my son have to be one of the "casualties (having an adverse reaction)" just to protect those kids at risk? This is one of the problems I have with the current vaccine system. Where do we draw line? Who's kids become more important . . those kids who do have an adverse reaction or those at higher risk of having one due to allergies OR high risk children in danger of catching a disease? There's no way to win IMO.

 

[staralfur]

but if I thought about vulnerable people every time I did anything I'd never be able to think about anything else

I'm not saying think about them ALL the time, but when you're making a decision that could directly affect them, don't you think it's at least worth a thought?

Vaccinating my LO primarily (first and foremost) affects my LO therefore, I will always consider his needs in front of the needs of others. Like Sunshine said, there are risks with vaccinating and should my son have to be one of the "casualties (having an adverse reaction)" just to protect those kids at risk? This is one of the problems I have with the current vaccine system. Where do we draw line? Who's kids become more important . . those kids who do have an adverse reaction or those at higher risk of having one due to allergies OR high risk children in danger of catching a disease? There's no way to win IMO.

But I don't think children with family history of reactions to vaccines or children with allergies should be vaccinated, either. To me they fall into the same category as the 'at risk' children because they shouldn't be vaccinated.

 

[hayz_baby]

Right now in the uk there is a measles outbreak. It really annoys me that people still believe there is a link between mmr and autism. The doctor was struck off the gmc and is no longer a doctor because his research was so flawed. There is no link between mmr ad autism.
Knowing now there is a growing outbreak here in the uk makes me more happy that he has been vaccinated. Even if he did catch it his body will be used to fighting it and will fight it off better and more

 

[ellismum]

Right now in the uk there is a measles outbreak. It really annoys me that people still believe there is a link between mmr and autism. The doctor was struck off the gmc and is no longer a doctor because his research was so flawed. There is no link between mmr ad autism.
Knowing now there is a growing outbreak here in the uk makes me more happy that he has been vaccinated. Even if he did catch it his body will be used to fighting it and will fight it off better and more

He was quoted this week (can't remember what rag I saw it in) saying that this latest outbreak was the governments fault for not offering alternatives.

Sky news are saying that there are currently 60 children in hospital and that they are not ruling out death