Thanks sethsmummy x I've never been able to stop trying (how the heck can you NOT know when ov is and just sneak a few extra bd's in?!?) but I have found the cycles I've been more relaxed and not expecting it to happen it's generally happened but I think with us it's just a numbers game. The first time I got pregnant it was one random bd when I missed a pill (yes i am one of those women!!) the second time it took 3 cycles, 3rd it took 5 cycles, fourth it took 4 cycles and this one only took 2. Totally random.