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"Birth is not only about making babies. It about making mothers, strong, competent, capable mothers who trust themselves and know their inner strengths." Barbara Katz Rothman

Just some encouragement that ALL women can birth naturally and find that inner strength. :flower:
 
Not all mothers can birth naturally, it's not a question of inner strength, sometimes it's a medical impossibility or just plain dangerous to both mother and baby.

You're unfairly belittling women who don't give birth naturally.
 
i second the above. i'm sure you don't mean to cause offense but it gonna upset alot of women. i tried very hard to push my son out naturally but after forcepts couldn't even turn him i had a emergency c section. i used all my inner strength but he had other ideas!!!
 
I'm not talking about you I am talking about the 66% of women who have epidurals. And less the 5% of women actually need a C-section. It's not my fault if you take offense to something that OBVIOUSLY doesn't have to do with you.
 
I don't see where she is "belittling" women who have not had a vaginal birth. You're being unfair by saying that. If you disagree with the post then just say so, don't put words into her mouth just because you are offended by what she believes.

While I agree that some women DO have a real medical need for intervention it does not mean that women can't still hope, believe and trust in their bodies at all.

To each her own.
 
I'm not talking about you I am talking about the 66% of women who have epidurals. And less the 5% of women actually need a C-section. It's not my fault if you take offense to something that OBVIOUSLY doesn't have to do with you.

i think we are in different countries. didn't realise you were talking about epidurals... our rates are much lower.
 
What's wrong with not enduring unnecessary pain?
I'll take a pass on that any day. If someone wants to be in excruciating pain, that's their choice. Same as it's mine to happily not be in any pain.
Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
 
What's wrong with not enduring unnecessary pain?
I'll take a pass on that any day. If someone wants to be in excruciating pain, that's their choice. Same as it's mine to happily not be in any pain.
Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
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I'm not talking about you I am talking about the 66% of women who have epidurals. And less the 5% of women actually need a C-section. It's not my fault if you take offense to something that OBVIOUSLY doesn't have to do with you.

I have to have an epi or a spinal as im having twins and they do that incase the second baby goes into distress (which is common with twins) and it could be likely I would have a section.

Would I love to have a natural labour? Yes, my son was planned to be a birthing centre water birth but had major complications and had to be transfered to hospital and have more interventions.

Do i think im less of a woman or mother because i have had interventions? or because i will have an epi this time or possible section? No. How you give birth does not depict what type of mother you will be. Infact, a section is my worse nightmare secenario, but because i love my babies i will do whats right, best and safest for them.
 
It is belittling women who choose to have an epidural. It is fine if you choose to go all natural but some strong women ang great moms make their own decision to have an epidural. And as women who are going through the same thing, we should not look down on them for their decision but we should be supportive and open to their choice. Everyone is different. Everyone experiences labor in different ways. And they should be able to make their own choice without other women judging them.

Ok off my soapbox!
 
Birth is also about screaming bloody murder at whoever dares to come near you :rofl:
 
Why are all of you ganging up on her!? It's so unfair of you. If you don't have anything nice to say don't post it. Is this some sort of bandwagon thing, "hey let's gang up on the member who happens to believe in natural childbirth, and had the audacity to post about it." We're not here to change each others opinions we're here to support each other in their OWN PERSONAL choice. Frankly, I am a little disappointed in the some of the members who have replied to this. I don't think baby and bump was created to slam each other for what they choose or believe. Thank you.
 
I am in no way against natural labor!! What I was saying is that people should be able to make their OWN PERSONAL CHOICE and not get put down for it whether it be natural or with epidural.
 
Thank you to all those ladies who chose to support the decision of those who CHOSE to have epidurals and elective c sections, as well as emerg c sections. This is my no means a reflection on what kind of mother a person will be and does not make these women any less of a part of the process because they chose to have medication/epidurals and c sections. I am choosing to decrease pain and stress to my child by CHOOSING and epidural....and proud of it!!
 
Why are all of you ganging up on her!? It's so unfair of you. If you don't have anything nice to say don't post it. Is this some sort of bandwagon thing, "hey let's gang up on the member who happens to believe in natural childbirth, and had the audacity to post about it." We're not here to change each others opinions we're here to support each other in their OWN PERSONAL choice. Frankly, I am a little disappointed in the some of the members who have replied to this. I don't think baby and bump was created to slam each other for what they choose or believe. Thank you.

I do not think that is what was being done at all. I think the issue is that anyone in labor needs support, epidural or not, natural or not....
 
Why are all of you ganging up on her!? It's so unfair of you. If you don't have anything nice to say don't post it. Is this some sort of bandwagon thing, "hey let's gang up on the member who happens to believe in natural childbirth, and had the audacity to post about it." We're not here to change each others opinions we're here to support each other in their OWN PERSONAL choice. Frankly, I am a little disappointed in the some of the members who have replied to this. I don't think baby and bump was created to slam each other for what they choose or believe. Thank you.

The OP isn't supporting everyone in their own personal choice though, she's supporting women who have her own personal definition of a 'natural birth'. There's a clear implication that women who have any other sort of birth are lacking in 'inner strength'.

As far as I'm concerned, what's more important than encouraging each other to find our 'inner strength' to have a 'natural birth', is telling each other that we should be open minded about labour, and recognise that there are many uncontrollable factors which can dictate how the birth goes. We should be prepared to accept a birth that isn't what we expected, without getting upset about it, and that the most important thing is for mother and baby to get through the experience in the best shape possible, by whatever method is best.
 
Well, I agree that all women can give birth without an epidural. Epidural is simply the pain relief, the baby will come out whether you are coping with your reasonable labour pains or your 5 days of back-to-back labour and passing out from pain. True C-sections being an exception of course (ie. transverse baby). Whether or not a woman actually chooses to endure such a labour or not, is simply her business and between her and her medical doctor.

I had an epidural on the 2nd day of labour, after tearing an abdominal muscle and 26 hours of contractions (on pitocin for infection), and I kept passing out on the birthing ball, there comes a point where women should not have to be made to feel guilty for choosing pain relief. There's a difference between advising someone of the risks and empowering them - and trying to instill guilt for not doing things the natural way. I think that quote really skirts that division.

Would I have preferred to do it without an epidural? Of course, or I wouldn't have done 26 hours on pitocin in the first place. I think there is a time and a place for epidurals. And even if it's not what I deem to be "the time and place" (ie. first time mother gets one before the first contraction because she simply doesn't want to feel the pain), then how on earth is that any of my business anyways. The only thing I wish, is that women were more informed of the risks before they make their decision.
 
i'm afraid to say MY personal believe is the same as the OP's


but its my view and i respect that of others, its your body you do what you want with it.

for me i am going to try and be as natural as possible, i've just completed a degree in anthropology so know the workings of the pelvis, childbirth etc etc, how the pelivs has changed since becoming bi-pedal and is not adapted of large headed babys.....

but i belive that 500yrs so there were no epidurals etc and woman coped with the pain just fine..... they strangled their husbands given half the chance


my view is this is what my body is deisgned for, however i also had added compications of spina bifida and a previously broken back. but i will give it a damned good shot at doing it with no pain relief.

if i need drugs however i will be taking what i can get my hands on, but i would just like to try the whole experience, i was told last yr i couldn't have kids and my first thought weirdly was but i will never know if my body can cope with labour, i felt like i had been robbed.
 
Do not read my posts with a preconceived notion that I am NOT open-minded to the different options there are in childbirth. I hate using the term "open-minded" because when I tell someone they are not being "open-minded" to my beliefs I am saying that I am not being open-minded to their beliefs. How can I say they are not accepting my beliefs when I am obviously not accepting theirs? It's being hypocritical.

I truly believe that a woman in labor needs to follow her own conviction and do what she feels is best. She MUST feel comfortable with the decisions being made. Because if the mommy is stressed the baby is stressed. I have been extremely supportive of women in my family and my friends who do not share my passion for natural childbirth. Even when they wanted nothing do to with my ideals. For instance, my cousin recently had a baby in June. She developed hypertension, weighed the pros and cons and felt the safest thing for her baby was to have an elective c-section. All I can do is applaud her for her bravery, for looking at the facts and making a hard decision so wisely. Just because I believe in natural childbirth does NOT mean that I condemn women who have not. Why does this topic need to be so cut-throat? Making assumptions about the other based on one reply to one thread!?
 
Thank you to all those ladies who chose to support the decision of those who CHOSE to have epidurals and elective c sections, as well as emerg c sections. This is my no means a reflection on what kind of mother a person will be and does not make these women any less of a part of the process because they chose to have medication/epidurals and c sections. I am choosing to decrease pain and stress to my child by CHOOSING and epidural....and proud of it!!

Thank you to all of those ladies who choose to support those who CHOSE NOT to have an epidural and elective c-sections. This is by no means a reflection of your personality and does not mean you hate or condemn women who do. I choose not to decease my own personal pain with an epidural or other drugs and I choose to do it again...And yes I am proud of it and will not allow anyone to steal my joy over the way I choose to do it and i hope you too will not allow anyone to steal the joy of your labor just because they don't agree with your decisions! After all this is about the baby, not about us. "Healthy mom+healthy baby=healthy family." It's from the Bradley Method. https://bradleybirth.com/
 

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