Birth is not only...

[Blah11]

Theres always going to be exceptions but more than 9/10 women probably could have a perfectly natural birth if they wanted to. Of course not everyone wants one and thats fine too

 

[Maman]

Theres always going to be exceptions but more than 9/10 women probably could have a perfectly natural birth if they wanted to. Of course not everyone wants one and thats fine too

operative word; probarly.

Is there any proof to back that up? I dont think you can put numbers on something if its not definite.

more than one in ten women have sections, and back in the day more than one in ten women died during childbirth or soon thereafter.

 

[Blah11]

i dont think 'back in the day' women generally died from reasons that could have been prevented with a section tbh. It was more infection, huge blood loss from haemoraging, no scans to find potential problems etc. Their babies maybe died from problems that could be fixed with a section, but not the mothers.

 

[Quackquack99]

Theres always going to be exceptions but more than 9/10 women probably could have a perfectly natural birth if they wanted to. Of course not everyone wants one and thats fine too

I do agree with that but everyone has a different pain threshold. My mum had a breech delivery without any pain relief. My motto was if my mum could do it then so can I, but my registrar wasn't confident in delivering a footling breech and didn't want it on her 'conscience' if a cord prolapse had happened. My babies life was in her hands. But I guess in an ideal world I'm sure most women would love to be able to have a pain relief free delivery as you do have a better recovery

 

[Eternal]

Theres always going to be exceptions but more than 9/10 women probably could have a perfectly natural birth if they wanted to. Of course not everyone wants one and thats fine too

Depends what your classing as "natural" i suppose, to me natural means vaginal, and i 100% agree that the majority (im not putting numbers on it).

Like the majority of twins are born my section, i dont think that really needs to be the case, i totally feel my body can do it, BUT I will listen to the doctors and if there is any signs that things arnt going to go smoothly I probably will agree to section, mostly because my husband is terrified something will go wrong and we will lose one and secondly because if that did happen i wouldnt be able to forgive myself.

My mostly I feel i can so it, I can see why not. ive had loads of people say im stupid for even wanting to do it naturally (risks to second twin can be high). I dont think I am, I am going to accept anything the recommned, like i am fairly sure ill have no option but to have an epi or spinal block, incase they need to do an emergency section. I know thats not ideal, i know it increases my risks of needed more interventions AND possibly a section but thats whats recommened and if that gives me a chance to do it naturally i will.

I wouldnt take chances and have a home birth with twins, although i would love one in the future (if we have more, one at a time lol) i know it is possible, but i wouldnt feel comfortable taking the risk.

Most of the time the less inveterventions the better, its much better for baby not to have extra drugs and for labour to be hurried up etc. But under some circumstanes its safer for baby to have a more "medical" birth. Just my opioion.

 

[Eternal]

i dont think 'back in the day' women generally died from reasons that could have been prevented with a section tbh. It was more infection, huge blood loss from haemoraging, no scans to find potential problems etc. Their babies maybe died from problems that could be fixed with a section, but not the mothers.

I agree, obviously some women or babies a section would have saved their lives, but its not as simple as just saying that, there were lots of other reasons mother and babies died, such as infection, homeorraging etc etc. Plus women and babies die now, even with sections etc, sometimes that just happens, not everything can be picked up.

My friend has a cardiac condiction and has two young children, both by section, but a lot of people live with this condition and dont know (cardio myopathy also known as sudden adult death symdrome), sometimes labouring can cause the heart to fail in these people, its not as simple as a section saving their lives, because most wont know they have it and its more about being monitored (you can deliver naturally but have to have cardac specilists monitor labour).

Anyway, what im saying is I agree with Blah11, its not as simple as saying people died as they didnt do sections, i mean sections arnt a new thing. Im i right in think the egyptians did them? might be wrong, should look it up. lol!

 

[Eternal]

It dates back to roman times, usually when a mother is close to death and a baby close to being born they would have been preformed. But modern sections where first done back in 1881.

 

[Blah11]

Theres always going to be exceptions but more than 9/10 women probably could have a perfectly natural birth if they wanted to. Of course not everyone wants one and thats fine too

Depends what your classing as "natural" i suppose, to me natural means vaginal, and i 100% agree that the majority (im not putting numbers on it).

Like the majority of twins are born my section, i dont think that really needs to be the case, i totally feel my body can do it, BUT I will listen to the doctors and if there is any signs that things arnt going to go smoothly I probably will agree to section, mostly because my husband is terrified something will go wrong and we will lose one and secondly because if that did happen i wouldnt be able to forgive myself.

My mostly I feel i can so it, I can see why not. ive had loads of people say im stupid for even wanting to do it naturally (risks to second twin can be high). I dont think I am, I am going to accept anything the recommned, like i am fairly sure ill have no option but to have an epi or spinal block, incase they need to do an emergency section. I know thats not ideal, i know it increases my risks of needed more interventions AND possibly a section but thats whats recommened and if that gives me a chance to do it naturally i will.

I wouldnt take chances and have a home birth with twins, although i would love one in the future (if we have more, one at a time lol) i know it is possible, but i wouldnt feel comfortable taking the risk.

Most of the time the less inveterventions the better, its much better for baby not to have extra drugs and for labour to be hurried up etc. But under some circumstanes its safer for baby to have a more "medical" birth. Just my opioion.

I think women who give birth to twins are amazing let alone, vaginally

 

[DLA]

I'm not talking about you I am talking about the 66% of women who have epidurals. And less the 5% of women actually need a C-section. It's not my fault if you take offense to something that OBVIOUSLY doesn't have to do with you.

I most likely will be in the 66% who CHOOSE an epi. I'm aware my body is capable of doing it "naturally" but I don't want to and I'm lucky enough to live in a day and age where I have options. Simple as that.

"Birth is not only about making babies. It about making mothers, strong, competent, capable mothers who trust themselves and know their inner strengths." Barbara Katz Rothman

I think it's a lovely quote and it will still apply to me if I have an epi or even a c section. I know the risks and am comfortable with my decision.

What's strange is I haven't yet encountered a mom who feels the need to "encourage" epis or c-sections to moms that have made the decision to go natural but have frequently seen moms that are planning do it naturally "encourage" those who have had or plan to have epis and/or c-sections to do it naturally. Just an honest observation.

 

[Mum2b_Claire]

^ I don't know if it's encouraging per se, but plenty of people IRL have expressed that I'm 'mad' or whatever to not want an epidural!
The only time I would encourage someone to think about a natural birth would be if asked for my honest opinon on what's best (all things being equal.)

 

[Maman]

I'm not talking about you I am talking about the 66% of women who have epidurals. And less the 5% of women actually need a C-section. It's not my fault if you take offense to something that OBVIOUSLY doesn't have to do with you.

I most likely will be in the 66% who CHOOSE an epi. I'm aware my body is capable of doing it "naturally" but I don't want to and I'm lucky enough to live in a day and age where I have options. Simple as that.

"Birth is not only about making babies. It about making mothers, strong, competent, capable mothers who trust themselves and know their inner strengths." Barbara Katz Rothman

I think it's a lovely quote and it will still apply to me if I have an epi or even a c section. I know the risks and am comfortable with my decision.

What's strange is I haven't yet encountered a mom who feels the need to "encourage" epis or c-sections to moms that have made the decision to go natural but have frequently seen moms that are planning do it naturally "encourage" those who have had or plan to have epis and/or c-sections to do it naturally. Just an honest observation.

agreed. it just annoys me so much when mums who have only given birth naturally bang on about section as if they know mroe than a mum whos had one, or act like its a bigger achievement to push a baby out of their vagina...

im a better mum then many women who have 'gone natural' so the statement op made was pointless.

if a woman who hasnt had a section decides to listen to horror stories, and base her opinion on well... numbers then its up to her, but the reality of it is section and epidural arent bad, they save lives, stop traumatic births (ever heard of a mum with ptsd because of a section?) and enable some women to have more control over the birth of their child which i think is more empowering. Unless you've had one i dont think youre educated to say wether theyre failure or not.

 

[Mum2b_Claire]

(ever heard of a mum with ptsd because of a section?)

Yes, sorry. Just saying.

 

[Simonsgirl]

What's wrong with not enduring unnecessary pain?
I'll take a pass on that any day. If someone wants to be in excruciating pain, that's their choice. Same as it's mine to happily not be in any pain.
Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.

I agree with you 110%. You don't hear about people having their appendix or gallbladder out without anaethesia/pain relief just so "they can experience it".

There seems to be a real snobbishness amongst some people who have strong beliefs about "natural" childbirth. As I mentioned before, lots of things that happen to the human body can be considered "natural", but that doesn't mean that they are healthy or contribute to our wellbeing or that of your baby.

Women should choose the method that best works for them, I have lots of friends who have had polar opposite experiences of childbirth and I wouldn't judge them for a second.

 

[Blah11]

I'm not talking about you I am talking about the 66% of women who have epidurals. And less the 5% of women actually need a C-section. It's not my fault if you take offense to something that OBVIOUSLY doesn't have to do with you.

I most likely will be in the 66% who CHOOSE an epi. I'm aware my body is capable of doing it "naturally" but I don't want to and I'm lucky enough to live in a day and age where I have options. Simple as that.

"Birth is not only about making babies. It about making mothers, strong, competent, capable mothers who trust themselves and know their inner strengths." Barbara Katz Rothman

I think it's a lovely quote and it will still apply to me if I have an epi or even a c section. I know the risks and am comfortable with my decision.

What's strange is I haven't yet encountered a mom who feels the need to "encourage" epis or c-sections to moms that have made the decision to go natural but have frequently seen moms that are planning do it naturally "encourage" those who have had or plan to have epis and/or c-sections to do it naturally. Just an honest observation.

agreed. it just annoys me so much when mums who have only given birth naturally bang on about section as if they know mroe than a mum whos had one, or act like its a bigger achievement to push a baby out of their vagina...

im a better mum then many women who have 'gone natural' so the statement op made was pointless.

if a woman who hasnt had a section decides to listen to horror stories, and base her opinion on well... numbers then its up to her, but the reality of it is section and epidural arent bad, they save lives, stop traumatic births (ever heard of a mum with ptsd because of a section?) and enable some women to have more control over the birth of their child which i think is more empowering. Unless you've had one i dont think youre educated to say wether theyre failure or not.

Ive read plenty of stories from women who needed crash sections or really medicalised births with instruments and left feeling robbed of a birth experience

 

[Blah11]

What's wrong with not enduring unnecessary pain?
I'll take a pass on that any day. If someone wants to be in excruciating pain, that's their choice. Same as it's mine to happily not be in any pain.
Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.

I agree with you 110%. You don't hear about people having their appendix or gallbladder out without anaethesia/pain relief just so "they can experience it".

There seems to be a real snobbishness amongst some people who have strong beliefs about "natural" childbirth. As I mentioned before, lots of things that happen to the human body can be considered "natural", but that doesn't mean that they are healthy or contribute to our wellbeing or that of your baby.

Women should choose the method that best works for them, I have lots of friends who have had polar opposite experiences of childbirth and I wouldn't judge them for a second.

having your skin cut open to get a gallbladder out isnt something our body is designed to do. I wouldnt suggest a woman get a csection without anaesthetic but trying to compare a vaginal birth with no epidural with surgery is really nonsensical and irrelevant.

 

[aliss]

I'm not talking about you I am talking about the 66% of women who have epidurals. And less the 5% of women actually need a C-section. It's not my fault if you take offense to something that OBVIOUSLY doesn't have to do with you.

I most likely will be in the 66% who CHOOSE an epi. I'm aware my body is capable of doing it "naturally" but I don't want to and I'm lucky enough to live in a day and age where I have options. Simple as that.

"Birth is not only about making babies. It about making mothers, strong, competent, capable mothers who trust themselves and know their inner strengths." Barbara Katz Rothman

I think it's a lovely quote and it will still apply to me if I have an epi or even a c section. I know the risks and am comfortable with my decision.

What's strange is I haven't yet encountered a mom who feels the need to "encourage" epis or c-sections to moms that have made the decision to go natural but have frequently seen moms that are planning do it naturally "encourage" those who have had or plan to have epis and/or c-sections to do it naturally. Just an honest observation.

agreed. it just annoys me so much when mums who have only given birth naturally bang on about section as if they know mroe than a mum whos had one, or act like its a bigger achievement to push a baby out of their vagina...

im a better mum then many women who have 'gone natural' so the statement op made was pointless.

if a woman who hasnt had a section decides to listen to horror stories, and base her opinion on well... numbers then its up to her, but the reality of it is section and epidural arent bad, they save lives, stop traumatic births (ever heard of a mum with ptsd because of a section?) and enable some women to have more control over the birth of their child which i think is more empowering. Unless you've had one i dont think youre educated to say wether theyre failure or not.

Uhhhh yeah! Have you seen some of the girls in the home & natural birthing section?? Some of them have little tags on their signature saying "unnecessarian survivor"... a lot of the girls in home & natural birthing are there for the very reason that they felt robbed & traumatized from their hospital births with epi's, inductions, c-sections, etc.

 

[Simonsgirl]

having your skin cut open to get a gallbladder out isnt something our body is designed to do. I wouldnt suggest a woman get a csection without anaesthetic but trying to compare a vaginal birth with no epidural with surgery is really nonsensical and irrelevant.[/QUOTE]


I really don't agree TBH, having spent 6 weeks of my nurse training in a maternity hospital, seeing women getting grade 3 & 4 tears or having episiotomies with no local anaesthetic who required 3 layers of suturing, and those women felt every bit of those cuts or tears, both when they happened and needed to be repaired. Is your body designed to do that?? If so, I'll take the other option thanks very much!

 

[Blah11]

Well, yes tbh. Don't they usually put anaesthetic in to do an episiotomy anyway if it looks like its going to be a bad tear? I know most women with littlish tears dont even know it happened as crowning can be quite uncomfortable anyway. & anyway, during childbirth your body produces all sorts of amazing hormones and endorphins to help us cope with the pain. You dont get the same when you get normal surgery.

 

[Verse]

*laughs* If it was 100% guarenteed that it was 100% safe for me and the baby, I would *much* prefer to be completely knocked out for the birth! I have no romantic attachment to the idea of experiencing childbirth at all. But the fact is there are no such guarentees in life, and from my family's experiences this is particularly true when it comes to medical procedures. Therefore, I'm going to be going for as drug/intervention free a birth as I can get away with without endangering the baby.

As for sections, well, I have a very negative view of those as I'm wanting to get back to riding my horse as soon as possible after delivery and it seems that standard recomendations have you waiting a few weeks longer after a section than a "natural" birth

 

[JayDanny]

Find a new thread and move on. This is getting way too heated.