breastfed babies result in better behaved children?

[Midnight_Fairy]

It would not mean anything to me, I think other factors would influence it more.

 

[Kalah]

Don't agree at all. A friend of mine BF her LO till he was just gone one and her little boy is now 5 and he is not very well behaved at all. He hits other children and is just generally not nice however her other little boy is 2 and he is a pleasant LO ... I know he's got time to change (terrible 2s and all)

I FF both mine from birth. Caitlin is 4 1/2 and she is generally well behaved she just needs to be simulated all the time. She's very bright but does have an attitude on her

I don't BF and FF have any influence on a Childs behaviour or intelligence x

Sorry to repeat myself but I just want to make more people aware that breastfeeding does effect intelligence. I posted about it a few pages ago and since then I've done even more research and found one of the key compounds for myelination is cholestoral, breast milk is full of it and formula has none.

I doubt you could line up Uni Graduates though and "guess" what ones were breastfed LOL.

totally agree

Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it why do some people always get so defensive? x

I was just trying to be informative

I'm sorry but your opinion is not supported by science.

from 2008 - https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080505162902.htm

from 2011 - https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110317141143.htm

The researchers matched each breastfed baby with one or more babies who were not breastfed, but who were similar in all other respects. Test scores in reading, writing and mathematics for the children at ages five, seven, 11 and 14 revealed a statistically significant difference between those who had been breastfed as compared with those who had not.

Actually it is supported by science. It has nothing to do with comparing kids to each other. I posted about it a few pages back, starting on page 37.

The main part was this:

Appleblossom- the study says Breastfed babies are less likely to have behavioural problems. It does NOT say FF babies are stupid etc. That kind of comment is indicative of a misunderstanding/misinterpretation of the report. Even though we know breast is best, that assertion needs to be legitimized by accomoanying evidence. Before this no one attributed behaviour to BFing and it is a new development. ALOT of mothers want to know the consequences of their choices and these studies help them.

Yes I've noticed a lot of people do this, take one thing and turn it the wrong way around, especially with breastfeeding!! It is fact that breastfeeding makes children smarter and healthierthan that SAME child would have been otherwise. That is the KEY part most people miss. Formula doesn't do any harm, it just doesn't have the same benefits that breast milk does that's all.

I disagree to your bolded and underlined part about being smarter

Mainly because I have seen breastfed babies that are behind milestones rather than formula fed babies. I do believe that breastmilk has antibodies that formula doesn't have, and while it wasn't the route for me I have nothing against breastfeeding. In fact, I love seeing all the "I have breastfed for x amount of months" Makes me happy.

But to say that its fact that breasfed babies are smarter is something I personally don't understand. Unless I'm just in the area where its the exception, not the rule? I dunno.

I get that response quite often, and I'd be happy to explain it to you
I learned about this in a psychology course while learning about the brain. Breast milk helps myelination occur more efficiently. Myelination is basically when a myelin sheath is formed around the axon of neurons throughout the brain. This myelin sheath insulates the axon and makes information travel faster and also keeps the connection from breaking so the information makes it to where it's going. This whole process results in higher intelligence.
Myelination does still occur if you formula feed though, just not as efficiently. That's why I always make sure to include that the intelligence boost is only relative to each child. A breast fed baby can have a low IQ, but it will be higher than it would have been if that child had not been breast fed but still had every other factor of their life exactly the same.

then as I added later it has to do with compounds found in breastmilk, mainly the fatty acids. For example cholesterol is a key ingredient to support myelination, breast milk has lots of cholesterol, formula has none at all. Therefor a formula fed baby will have myelin sheaths that are not made from optimal ingredients and are not as good as the myelin sheath in the brain of a breastfed baby and will not be as efficient at transferring information, therefor less intelligent. You don't have to be able to go back in time to prove that.

So a study that just compares different kids to each other is absolutely ridiculous, each child will have effects relative only to that child, no one else.

But is the difference so big that people can tell who was breastfed and who was not. I bet no studies have been taken on a huge scale.

The fact that you ask that question makes me think you don't actually understand what I've said. Think of it as breast milk give a bonus of +5 IQ points (just a guess number for the sake of this). It has absolutely nothing to do with comparing one person to another.

 

[Kalah]

Don't agree at all. A friend of mine BF her LO till he was just gone one and her little boy is now 5 and he is not very well behaved at all. He hits other children and is just generally not nice however her other little boy is 2 and he is a pleasant LO ... I know he's got time to change (terrible 2s and all)

I FF both mine from birth. Caitlin is 4 1/2 and she is generally well behaved she just needs to be simulated all the time. She's very bright but does have an attitude on her

I don't BF and FF have any influence on a Childs behaviour or intelligence x

Sorry to repeat myself but I just want to make more people aware that breastfeeding does effect intelligence. I posted about it a few pages ago and since then I've done even more research and found one of the key compounds for myelination is cholestoral, breast milk is full of it and formula has none.

I doubt you could line up Uni Graduates though and "guess" what ones were breastfed LOL.

totally agree

Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it why do some people always get so defensive? x

I was just trying to be informative

I'm sorry but your opinion is not supported by science.

from 2008 - https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080505162902.htm

from 2011 - https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110317141143.htm

The researchers matched each breastfed baby with one or more babies who were not breastfed, but who were similar in all other respects. Test scores in reading, writing and mathematics for the children at ages five, seven, 11 and 14 revealed a statistically significant difference between those who had been breastfed as compared with those who had not.

Actually it is supported by science. It has nothing to do with comparing kids to each other. I posted about it a few pages back, starting on page 37.

The main part was this:

Appleblossom- the study says Breastfed babies are less likely to have behavioural problems. It does NOT say FF babies are stupid etc. That kind of comment is indicative of a misunderstanding/misinterpretation of the report. Even though we know breast is best, that assertion needs to be legitimized by accomoanying evidence. Before this no one attributed behaviour to BFing and it is a new development. ALOT of mothers want to know the consequences of their choices and these studies help them.

Yes I've noticed a lot of people do this, take one thing and turn it the wrong way around, especially with breastfeeding!! It is fact that breastfeeding makes children smarter and healthierthan that SAME child would have been otherwise. That is the KEY part most people miss. Formula doesn't do any harm, it just doesn't have the same benefits that breast milk does that's all.

I disagree to your bolded and underlined part about being smarter

Mainly because I have seen breastfed babies that are behind milestones rather than formula fed babies. I do believe that breastmilk has antibodies that formula doesn't have, and while it wasn't the route for me I have nothing against breastfeeding. In fact, I love seeing all the "I have breastfed for x amount of months" Makes me happy.

But to say that its fact that breasfed babies are smarter is something I personally don't understand. Unless I'm just in the area where its the exception, not the rule? I dunno.

I get that response quite often, and I'd be happy to explain it to you
I learned about this in a psychology course while learning about the brain. Breast milk helps myelination occur more efficiently. Myelination is basically when a myelin sheath is formed around the axon of neurons throughout the brain. This myelin sheath insulates the axon and makes information travel faster and also keeps the connection from breaking so the information makes it to where it's going. This whole process results in higher intelligence.
Myelination does still occur if you formula feed though, just not as efficiently. That's why I always make sure to include that the intelligence boost is only relative to each child. A breast fed baby can have a low IQ, but it will be higher than it would have been if that child had not been breast fed but still had every other factor of their life exactly the same.

then as I added later it has to do with compounds found in breastmilk, mainly the fatty acids. For example cholesterol is a key ingredient to support myelination, breast milk has lots of cholesterol, formula has none at all. Therefor a formula fed baby will have myelin sheaths that are not made from optimal ingredients and are not as good as the myelin sheath in the brain of a breastfed baby and will not be as efficient at transferring information, therefor less intelligent. You don't have to be able to go back in time to prove that.

So a study that just compares different kids to each other is absolutely ridiculous, each child will have effects relative only to that child, no one else.

I did read your posts and totally understand that but, just to be sure now, are you saying that breastfeeding does affect babies IQ but not in the way the studies I posted and their conclusions say?

Yes it does affect IQ, but no not in the way the study shows. Any study comparing different kids to each other to try and find a difference in intelligence is just silly because their genes will be having the main effect on IQ, breast milk just gives the bonus and other factors in life make the rest of the difference.

 

[Gen79]

Yes it does affect IQ, but no not in the way the study shows. Any study comparing different kids to each other to try and find a difference in intelligence is just silly because their genes will be having the main effect on IQ, breast milk just gives the bonus and other factors in life make the rest of the difference.

Yes, the studies I posted prove exactly that by matching breastfed babies and formula fed babies who are similar in every other way. As someone said there's no other way to prove it, you can't bf and then go back in time and formula feed.

We're not actually disagreeing here.

 

[Eve]

I don't have time to read the whole thread tonight, but I just want to say, I seriously have to clue! lol... I will write more tomorrow though.. My son has severe behavioral problems and was just in hospital for 10 weeks etc... and one of the main questions the psychiatrist asked was how was he fed believe it or not. I answered him and didn't ask why but it left me curious.

xx

my brother has alot of behavioral and mental problems, he was breastfed. my oh had adhd and he was also breastfed.

so i believe that if ur ment to have these problems it doesnt matter how ur fed

I am not saying it does, it's just what the specialists asked me... he asked how Jacob was fed as an infant, I said formula, he said it can play a part in things, I was shocked... I didn't continue the conversation.

My son has severe ODD and bi-polar disorder as well as other things ( I am beginging to think attachment problems ) I also used CIO at 8 months by doctor advice and weaned at 4 months. I am going to start a new topic.

 

[moomin_troll]

I just dont think it really matters in the long run . We all know what is "natural! But I dont think it is always best if its not best for mum as well. x

Medically speaking breastfeeding is best for mums too.

7 WAYS BREASTFEEDING BENEFITS MOTHERS

What's good for baby is also good for mother. When mothers follow nature's lead and breastfeed their babies, their own bodies benefit--so do their budgets!

1. Reduces the risk of breast cancer. Women who breastfeed reduce their risk of developing breast cancer by as much as 25 percent. The reduction in cancer risk comes in proportion to the cumulative lifetime duration of breastfeeding. That is, the more months or years a mother breastfeeds, the lower her risk of breast cancer.

2. Reduces the risk of uterine and ovarian cancer. One of the reasons for the cancer-fighting effects of breastfeeding is that estrogen levels are lower during lactation. It is thought that the less estrogen available to stimulate the lining of the uterus and perhaps breast tissue also, the less the risk of these tissues becoming cancerous.

3. Lessens osteoporosis. Non-breastfeeding women have a four times greater chance of developing osteoporosis than breastfeeding women and are more likely to suffer from hip fractures in the post-menopausal years.

4. Benefits child spacing. Since breastfeeding delays ovulation, the longer a mother breastfeeds the more she is able to practice natural childspacing, if she desires. How long a woman remains infertile depends on her baby's nursing pattern and her own individual baby.

5. Promotes emotional health. Not only is breastfeeding good for mother's body, it's good for her mind. Studies show that breastfeeding mothers show less postpartum anxiety and depression than do formula-feeding mothers.

6. Promotes postpartum weight loss. Breastfeeding mothers showed significantly larger reductions in hip circumference and more fat loss by one month postpartum when compared with formula-feeding moms. Breastfeeding mothers tend to have an earlier return to their pre-pregnant weight.

7. Costs less to breastfeed. It costs around $1,200 a year to formula-feed your baby. Even taking into consideration the slight increase in food costs to a breastfeeding mother, the American Academy of Pediatrics estimates that a breastfeeding mother will save around $400 during the first year of breastfeeding.

https://www.askdrsears.com/html/2/t020700.asp

The one ive put in bold is bull. i no so many women who get pregnant while breastfeeing because they believe this.

 

[moomin_troll]

I don't have time to read the whole thread tonight, but I just want to say, I seriously have to clue! lol... I will write more tomorrow though.. My son has severe behavioral problems and was just in hospital for 10 weeks etc... and one of the main questions the psychiatrist asked was how was he fed believe it or not. I answered him and didn't ask why but it left me curious.

xx

my brother has alot of behavioral and mental problems, he was breastfed. my oh had adhd and he was also breastfed.

so i believe that if ur ment to have these problems it doesnt matter how ur fed

I am not saying it does, it's just what the specialists asked me... he asked how Jacob was fed as an infant, I said formula, he said it can play a part in things, I was shocked... I didn't continue the conversation.

My son has severe ODD and bi-polar disorder as well as other things ( I am beginging to think attachment problems ) I also used CIO at 8 months by doctor advice and weaned at 4 months. I am going to start a new topic.

i no u werent saying it does, i was pointing out that it was a very weird thing for the doctor to bring up and no matter how people are fed if they are ment to have and kind of disorder they will

 

[Kalah]

I just dont think it really matters in the long run . We all know what is "natural! But I dont think it is always best if its not best for mum as well. x

Medically speaking breastfeeding is best for mums too.

7 WAYS BREASTFEEDING BENEFITS MOTHERS

What's good for baby is also good for mother. When mothers follow nature's lead and breastfeed their babies, their own bodies benefit--so do their budgets!

1. Reduces the risk of breast cancer. Women who breastfeed reduce their risk of developing breast cancer by as much as 25 percent. The reduction in cancer risk comes in proportion to the cumulative lifetime duration of breastfeeding. That is, the more months or years a mother breastfeeds, the lower her risk of breast cancer.

2. Reduces the risk of uterine and ovarian cancer. One of the reasons for the cancer-fighting effects of breastfeeding is that estrogen levels are lower during lactation. It is thought that the less estrogen available to stimulate the lining of the uterus and perhaps breast tissue also, the less the risk of these tissues becoming cancerous.

3. Lessens osteoporosis. Non-breastfeeding women have a four times greater chance of developing osteoporosis than breastfeeding women and are more likely to suffer from hip fractures in the post-menopausal years.

4. Benefits child spacing. Since breastfeeding delays ovulation, the longer a mother breastfeeds the more she is able to practice natural childspacing, if she desires. How long a woman remains infertile depends on her baby's nursing pattern and her own individual baby.

5. Promotes emotional health. Not only is breastfeeding good for mother's body, it's good for her mind. Studies show that breastfeeding mothers show less postpartum anxiety and depression than do formula-feeding mothers.

6. Promotes postpartum weight loss. Breastfeeding mothers showed significantly larger reductions in hip circumference and more fat loss by one month postpartum when compared with formula-feeding moms. Breastfeeding mothers tend to have an earlier return to their pre-pregnant weight.

7. Costs less to breastfeed. It costs around $1,200 a year to formula-feed your baby. Even taking into consideration the slight increase in food costs to a breastfeeding mother, the American Academy of Pediatrics estimates that a breastfeeding mother will save around $400 during the first year of breastfeeding.

https://www.askdrsears.com/html/2/t020700.asp

The one ive put in bold is bull. i no so many women who get pregnant while breastfeeing because they believe this.

Well it is 98% effective so either those women didn't follow the 3 big rules or they were part of that 2%. I've heard of lots of girls on this forum who broke one of those three rules and didn't realize that made it not effective.

 

[moomin_troll]

my mil was a mw and got pregnant while bf 2 months after her baby was born.

anyway its just one of the many "facts" i dont agree with

 

[indy and lara]

I'm not convinced by the child spacing element tbh. Emma was exclusively BF, fed through the night still and was feeding up to 8 times a day but my period was back before 5 months after she was born. I most certainly would not advocate that anyone relies on BF as a method of contraception unless they would be happy to have another baby.

However, this thread was not about the benefits of BF to Mum but about whether it impacts on LO's behaviour so I won't go on!

 

[crossroads]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

 

[moomin_troll]

theres a debate because u keep trying to push ur feelings on others, when some women just choose not to bf and others just cant for what ever reason they seem fit.

obviously breastmilk is better no one on here has said it isnt, but if that woman feels she cant bf then what is she supposed to do?
a child being fed formula is better then nothing.

u cant convince people to believe exactly what u do

 

[Laura2919]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

That wont load for me.

 

[moomin_troll]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

That wont load for me.

its a page with whats in breastmilk and whats in formula

 

[Laura2919]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

That wont load for me.

its a page with whats in breastmilk and whats in formula

Oh I see it in the end.. Thats why FF mums get their back up.. Stupid really.

 

[Laura2919]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

Very unnecessary!!

I think we all know just how good breastmilk is for babies.. You obviously havent thought about how your post might just rub salt into the wounds of those who have struggled or havent been succesful..

 

[crossroads]

Well it is 98% effective so either those women didn't follow the 3 big rules or they were part of that 2%. I've heard of lots of girls on this forum who broke one of those three rules and didn't realize that made it not effective.

Yeah. I cut out night feeds so I could conceive. It was harder conceiving this time around because of the breastfeeding.

moomin_troll what other "facts" don't you agree with?

 

[moomin_troll]

Well it is 98% effective so either those women didn't follow the 3 big rules or they were part of that 2%. I've heard of lots of girls on this forum who broke one of those three rules and didn't realize that made it not effective.

Yeah. I cut out night feeds so I could conceive. It was harder conceiving this time around because of the breastfeeding.

moomin_troll what other "facts" don't you agree with?

i dont even want to answer this! i believe what i want to and no one can change my mind and certain things
and im not in the mood for u to try and make me think like u

 

[moomin_troll]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

Very unnecessary!!

I think we all know just how good breastmilk is for babies.. You obviously havent thought about how your post might just rub salt into the wounds of those who have struggled or havent been succesful..

i dont think shes going to get it, so think im just giving up now

 

[LeeBee]

I think it's important to remember that everyone interprets (sp?) the information from studies differently- even doctors. I'm sure you could go to a few different doctors and get a few different opinions on this. Just as you would with other things in pregnancy- alcohol, lunchmeat, ect.

mmm... lunchmeat...