breastfed babies result in better behaved children?

[moomin_troll]

I think it's important to remember that everyone interprets (sp?) the information from studies differently- even doctors. I'm sure you could go to a few different doctors and get a few different opinions on this. Just as you would with other things in pregnancy- alcohol, lunchmeat, ect.

mmm... lunchmeat...

hahahaha

 

[crossroads]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

Very unnecessary!!

I think we all know just how good breastmilk is for babies.. You obviously havent thought about how your post might just rub salt into the wounds of those who have struggled or havent been succesful..

Have you looked at the lists? I find it hard to believe that anyone can look at the lists and then dismiss pro-breastfeeding research.

What goes through your mind when you look at the lists? "It's a load of rubbish"? "it's all made up"?

I don't understand all this denial!

To everyone who doubts the research, which of these accurately describes your view:

1. Breastfeeding makes your child genius-intelligent.
2. Breastfeeding makes your child a little bit more intelligent.
3. Breastfeeding has no effect on intelligence.
4. Breastfeeding makes your child less intelligent.

Oh, and remember to substantiate your view, just like the research has done. Anecdote-free zone please, as we know anacdotes aren't reliable as there are ALWAYS exceptions.

 

[moomin_troll]

who is in denial exactly? has ANYONE said breast milk isnt best for the baby? NO

its just u who keeps pushing this even tho we have all said yes in a ideal world wed all be perfect like u and be able to breastfeed but not everyone can.

ansd u just pushing this list on everyone is frustrating because u just dont get it!

 

[Kalah]

theres a debate because u keep trying to push ur feelings on others, when some women just choose not to bf and others just cant for what ever reason they seem fit.

obviously breastmilk is better no one on here has said it isnt, but if that woman feels she cant bf then what is she supposed to do?
a child being fed formula is better then nothing.

u cant convince people to believe exactly what u do

No, there's a debate because this is the debate section I don't mean that in the smartass way it sounds, just saying.
This is the only section I feel comfortable discussing certain things (like BFvFF) in because this is where it is supposed to be done.


ETA: I thought that breast milk ingredients list was really interesting, I always wonder what's in it! I'm curious though if they know the ingredients why don't they just make formula with all that stuff..

 

[bathbabe]

Crossroads i hope to god you dont have trouble breastfeeding your new baby otherwise you are gunna hit the rock bottom of depression with your attitude

 

[moomin_troll]

theres a debate because u keep trying to push ur feelings on others, when some women just choose not to bf and others just cant for what ever reason they seem fit.

obviously breastmilk is better no one on here has said it isnt, but if that woman feels she cant bf then what is she supposed to do?
a child being fed formula is better then nothing.

u cant convince people to believe exactly what u do

No, there's a debate because this is the debate section I don't mean that in the smartass way it sounds, just saying.
This is the only section I feel comfortable discussing certain things (like BFvFF) in because this is where it is supposed to be done.

well i no that lol
it just gets on my nerves now that other bf mums like urself get that some of us couldnt bf so we had to use formula. and then theres crossroads that seems to think that means we hate BF because we think differently to her

 

[LeeBee]

I thought the study was about behavior?

Anyways, I do agree that breastfeeding probably does increase intelligence/lower behavior problems, to a certain extent- but I think it's probably pretty minimal when you're looking at the big picture. Genetics, upbringing, quality of education, parents highest education level, whether the child has siblings... these are all the big ones in my opinion. If I had to put it into a percentage.... maybe how a child is fed as a baby accounts for 1-2% of their intelligence potential? So I think that's where the arguments can begin, and probably why the studies can be seen so differently.

 

[Gen79]

Crossroads i hope to god you dont have trouble breastfeeding your new baby otherwise you are gunna hit the rock bottom of depression with your attitude

I don't think thats true. I think she has a clear understanding of the difference between fact vs opinion and if she couldn't breastfeed she'd still know that breastfeeding was best and wouldn't need to rationalise that actually the scientists are wrong because its just not fair.

 

[aragornlover8]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

Very unnecessary!!

I think we all know just how good breastmilk is for babies.. You obviously havent thought about how your post might just rub salt into the wounds of those who have struggled or havent been succesful..

Have you looked at the lists? I find it hard to believe that anyone can look at the lists and then dismiss pro-breastfeeding research.

What goes through your mind when you look at the lists? "It's a load of rubbish"? "it's all made up"?

I don't understand all this denial!

To everyone who doubts the research, which of these accurately describes your view:

1. Breastfeeding makes your child genius-intelligent.
2. Breastfeeding makes your child a little bit more intelligent.
3. Breastfeeding has no effect on intelligence.
4. Breastfeeding makes your child less intelligent.

Oh, and remember to substantiate your view, just like the research has done. Anecdote-free zone please, as we know anacdotes aren't reliable as there are ALWAYS exceptions.

Honestly, I haven't seen any FF mom here deny that breastfeeding is not the better alternative. Some are simply arguing that other factors may have a larger role in determining the behavioral wellbeing of children, such as skin-to-skin contact and regular engagement.
Besides, the overall thread isn't about intelligence but behavior?? I've seen a few people get OT with regard to intelligence, I guess, but I don't see the reason in derailing this debate any further.
With regard to your statements, they're all quite wrong statistically speaking. You can't prove any sort of causal relationship no matter how much research you have. Given research, you can argue that there are statistically significant links between two different factors, but you can NEVER say that "This means that breastmilk makes babies more intelligent" or vice versa. You can only say "Research suggests that there is a statistically significant link between breastmilk and child intelligence." That doesn't mean that breastmilk is the only factor governing that link. You really cannot look at scientific data with a black-and-white perspective. Doing so will only make you seem ignorant and biased.
If it's obvious that your attitude isn't making people any more sympathetic to your cause, why do you persist?? I'm seriously at a loss here.

 

[Kalah]

I thought the study was about behavior?

Anyways, I do agree that breastfeeding probably does increase intelligence/lower behavior problems, to a certain extent- but I think it's probably pretty minimal when you're looking at the big picture. Genetics, upbringing, quality of education, parents highest education level, whether the child has siblings... these are all the big ones in my opinion. If I had to put it into a percentage.... maybe how a child is fed as a baby accounts for 1-2% of their intelligence potential? So I think that's where the arguments can begin, and probably why the studies can be seen so differently.

I agree with that.

There are other things that have much more of an impact on how we turn out other than how we're fed as babies.

 

[bathbabe]

Crossroads i hope to god you dont have trouble breastfeeding your new baby otherwise you are gunna hit the rock bottom of depression with your attitude

I don't think thats true. I think she has a clear understanding of the difference between fact vs opinion and if she couldn't breastfeed she'd still know that breastfeeding was best and wouldn't need to rationalise that actually the scientists are wrong because its just not fair.

everybody knows breast is best regardless of how they feed their baby but crossroads seems to have a particularly stinky attitude towards women who dont breastfeed. But would she feel differently if she couldnt breastfeed herself?? But of course im sure she would be in that 2% who actually cant, not the 98% who just 'dont made the cut'
Maybe she would think twice about how she words things and gets her point across.
Give facts, give figures but remember not everybody is always the norm of a statistic.

 

[buttonnose82]

you can have a debate & express your opinions without pushing your views on others & saying others are right/wrong because of their opinions

Lets keep it civil and ontrack

The debate is 'Breastfed babies result in better behaved children?' nothing else

 

[venusrockstar]

I'm not convinced by the child spacing element tbh. Emma was exclusively BF, fed through the night still and was feeding up to 8 times a day but my period was back before 5 months after she was born. I most certainly would not advocate that anyone relies on BF as a method of contraception unless they would be happy to have another baby.

However, this thread was not about the benefits of BF to Mum but about whether it impacts on LO's behaviour so I won't go on!

THIS! I exclusively BF Bella and she too was up every 1-3 hours during the night until she was about 8 months old and I got my period back when she was 4 months old.

 

[Kalah]

I'm not convinced by the child spacing element tbh. Emma was exclusively BF, fed through the night still and was feeding up to 8 times a day but my period was back before 5 months after she was born. I most certainly would not advocate that anyone relies on BF as a method of contraception unless they would be happy to have another baby.

However, this thread was not about the benefits of BF to Mum but about whether it impacts on LO's behaviour so I won't go on!

THIS! I exclusively BF Bella and she too was up every 1-3 hours during the night until she was about 8 months old and I got my period back when she was 4 months old.

Wait I'm confused on this part, what does getting your period back at 4 months have to do with it?
There are three things that have to be true for breastfeeding to be a contraceptive, and ALL three have to be true:
1. Not had a period at all since birth
2. Baby is under 6 months old
3. Baby nurses at least every 4 hours day and night

 

[Lightworker]

OT sorry- I think BFing is now being viewed as a less reliable form of contraception because even if you meet those 3 criteria, you may ovulate BEFORE your first postnatal period eg I got my period after 3 months. For those 3 months, one could argue I shouldn't fall pregnant, however, if I a DTD a 14days before my unexpectedly early period, I could still have gotten pregnant - I hope it makes sense. X

 

[Kalah]

OT sorry- I think BFing is now being viewed as a less reliable form of contraception because even if you meet those 3 criteria, you may ovulate BEFORE your first postnatal period eg I got my period after 3 months. For those 3 months, one could argue I shouldn't fall pregnant, however, if I a DTD a 14days before my unexpectedly early period, I could still have gotten pregnant - I hope it makes sense. X

Oh yes that does make sense, I hadn't thought of it like that!

 

[moomin_troll]

I'm not convinced by the child spacing element tbh. Emma was exclusively BF, fed through the night still and was feeding up to 8 times a day but my period was back before 5 months after she was born. I most certainly would not advocate that anyone relies on BF as a method of contraception unless they would be happy to have another baby.

However, this thread was not about the benefits of BF to Mum but about whether it impacts on LO's behaviour so I won't go on!

THIS! I exclusively BF Bella and she too was up every 1-3 hours during the night until she was about 8 months old and I got my period back when she was 4 months old.

Wait I'm confused on this part, what does getting your period back at 4 months have to do with it?
There are three things that have to be true for breastfeeding to be a contraceptive, and ALL three have to be true:
1. Not had a period at all since birth
2. Baby is under 6 months old
3. Baby nurses at least every 4 hours day and night

not that i want to think about my mil n fil dtd lol but they followed all three of these things and still got pregnant.
i just wouldnt use something like this to protect me against pregnancy

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

Guys read this

I can't believe there's even a debate.

Very unnecessary!!

I think we all know just how good breastmilk is for babies.. You obviously havent thought about how your post might just rub salt into the wounds of those who have struggled or havent been succesful..

Have you looked at the lists? I find it hard to believe that anyone can look at the lists and then dismiss pro-breastfeeding research.

What goes through your mind when you look at the lists? "It's a load of rubbish"? "it's all made up"?

I don't understand all this denial!

To everyone who doubts the research, which of these accurately describes your view:

1. Breastfeeding makes your child genius-intelligent.
2. Breastfeeding makes your child a little bit more intelligent.
3. Breastfeeding has no effect on intelligence.
4. Breastfeeding makes your child less intelligent.

Oh, and remember to substantiate your view, just like the research has done. Anecdote-free zone please, as we know anacdotes aren't reliable as there are ALWAYS exceptions.

Honestly, I haven't seen any FF mom here deny that breastfeeding is not the better alternative. Some are simply arguing that other factors may have a larger role in determining the behavioral wellbeing of children, such as skin-to-skin contact and regular engagement.
Besides, the overall thread isn't about intelligence but behavior?? I've seen a few people get OT with regard to intelligence, I guess, but I don't see the reason in derailing this debate any further.
With regard to your statements, they're all quite wrong statistically speaking. You can't prove any sort of causal relationship no matter how much research you have. Given research, you can argue that there are statistically significant links between two different factors, but you can NEVER say that "This means that breastmilk makes babies more intelligent" or vice versa. You can only say "Research suggests that there is a statistically significant link between breastmilk and child intelligence." That doesn't mean that breastmilk is the only factor governing that link. You really cannot look at scientific data with a black-and-white perspective. Doing so will only make you seem ignorant and biased.
If it's obvious that your attitude isn't making people any more sympathetic to your cause, why do you persist?? I'm seriously at a loss here.

Could not have worded it better myself.

 

[Blah11]

Honestly crossroads, although your opinion is mainly the same as me, how you word the majority of your posts really irks me you do nothing for your cause!

 

[LeeBee]