CC/CIO Support and Information Thread

[Kizzy454]

Ladies that's mentioned LOs that will settle on them then wake up as soon as u put them down. U need to remember your LO Settles with the warmth of your body then your putting them onto colder sheets etc. what worked with my eldest was an hour before we went to bed we put a hot water bottle in her bed to warm it up so she went from a warm mummy to a warm bed

Brilliant tread CIO/CC worked wonders for me eldest and I will do it for M too when the time comes. Just be sure that you can recognise there cries
Hungry cry
Painful cry
And the over tired cry

 

[polaris]

Im not sure if this is what im looking for but Izzy is 15 weeks two days. So im aware to young.
She sttn, has done for a while now.
But she always falls asleep on me, on her bottle or i allow her to suck a dummy for two minutes then she sucks her thumb.

I would love it if she could advice herself to sleep by sucking her thumb without me holding her.

I don't like the cio idea, are any of these other methods right for me?
Or does anyone have some other advice?
She is a brilliant sleeper i just don't want her to get into the habit of me settling her off x

Have you tried laying her down in her crib while she's still awake? When we've done the bedtime routine i cuddle him for a few minutes and tell him I love him etc. Then I put him down in his crib. He sometimes does a little whinge which he does for his naps as well which is fine, if he starts crying at all then I always go in and pick him up and he'll fall asleep on me. However he's now been falling asleep on his own 9/10 times. I have no problems with him falling asleep on me though, I actually miss it when he doesn't!

This works for some babies but not for others. I tried this with my son and as a young baby he never ever fell asleep without crying if I put him down awake, no matter how drowsy he had previously seemed. He would just scream. I thought either I was doing something wrong or else that people were lying about their babies who settled down by themselves when put into the crib drowsy but awake! However, my new LO is much better at settling herself (much better sleeper in general) and with her more often than not she will fall asleep with no crying (possibly a bit of grumbling) if she is calm and relaxed when I put her down. So it does depend on the baby.

 

[polaris]

Well this weekend was to be our trial run and getting lo to sleep in his own cot in own room. so i had in my hed to use cc. but after 45min he was just getting more hysterical so we found that just sitting next to the cot holding his hand worked wonders. the following nights we did all the usual routine but him down n left for 10 min then came and sat with him. both nights he was asleep within half hour with hardly any crying. then he woke twice each night where again i put his dummy in and sat with him and he was asleep within 5. Hoping as time goes on he wont need me to sit with him.

I know it dosent really teach him to self settle...but at least we seem to have got him to sleep in his own bed. (although very early days).

You can gradually reduce the amount of interaction so that he doesn't need you there anymore - so start by holding his hand, then just sitting with him but not touching him, then move your chair a bit further from the cot, then sit in the doorway, then just outside the door, and by then hopefully he will be OK with you leaving him to fall asleep himself.

 

[Noelle610]

Best of luck to all of the moms doing sleep training.

Question... any thoughts on CC or CIO for a baby rolling onto their tummy and fussing because they're uncomfortable? My daughter has been waking constantly recently because she's learned to roll onto her tummy, but she needs "help" getting into a comfortable position. A few moms have recommended that I just let her "figure it out" on her own, but she just seems so uncomfortable!

 

[Mummy Bean]

Best of luck to all of the moms doing sleep training.

Question... any thoughts on CC or CIO for a baby rolling onto their tummy and fussing because they're uncomfortable? My daughter has been waking constantly recently because she's learned to roll onto her tummy, but she needs "help" getting into a comfortable position. A few moms have recommended that I just let her "figure it out" on her own, but she just seems so uncomfortable!

oh thos is one of our biggest problems. he has taken to sleeping on his side but this means he keeps rolling on his front and waking up. i tried putting a rolled up towel next to him to stop him rolling...which worked for a while...but now he just rolls straight over it.
normally i use a sleeping bag...but for nap times i started using a blanket and tucking him in real tight to try prevent him rolling

it a tricky one...and solutions let me know!

 

[Saphira]

Thank you ArmyWife and DaisyBee.
ArmyWife, she's taken a dummy/pacifier since she was 3 days old. One of the nurses in the hospital recommended I give it a try with her and after a semi-awkward period with it she began happily taking it and settling with it. She always has her pacifier when going down for naps/bedtime. She's started throwing things though and we'll often find it outside her crib halfway across the room. :/ So, that has been the cause for some of her crying. We now lay an extra one in hoping she'll keep it!
As for giving her a bottle in bed, she actually won't hold one on her own. I've always held it for her. When she was around 5-6 months old she started trying to hold it but ended up preferring me to do so and left it at that. Now she likes to look at the bottle and grab the teat so I'd be nervous to leave it with her. She'd certainly spill the whole bottle on herself and destroy the teat.
DaisyBee, I know there's no such thing as a no cry method, not for us anyway, and I can't imagine there is for any parent. I totally agree that CC and in more extreme cases CIO do reduce crying. To some that may sound ironic but it's very true. When you have a baby that won't sleep with you, next to you or in your arms and you've tried everything then these options are the only way to go and have success.
I will say, I'm happy to report (although I don't want to jinx anything) last night was a breeze. She must be growing or something because she slept like crazy yesterday! Nearly 4 hour's worth of naps then went down without a peep at 10PM (she woke up from her second nap late). She was up at 3AM talking to herself and starting to get worked up so she got a bottle and went down after a minute of protest.
We'll just have to keep taking bedtime as it comes and following her signs.

 

[kaths101]

I did controlled crying at 8 months old. Up until then my LO was a terrible sleeper, he would wake every 3/4 hours and was grumpy in the morning. I did 2 nights of CC and that's all it took. The first night about 20 minutes max going in every 2/3 minutes. The second night 10 minutes.
Now he sleeps 7:30pm-8am .... This morning I had to wake him at 9am

Worked for us!!

 

[lysh]

My LO is 3 months and we did our own version of cc for naps. I have to go back to work soon and my LO could not even be put down for naps. The minute I would lay her down her eyes would shoot open and she would cry. During the night, she ended up bedsharing with me because she refused to go into her cosleeper. Her sleeping has been getting worse and she currently wakes up every hour (sometimes less) to 2 hours (at the most and this is rare). I am at my wits end.

So for naps, I decided I needed to get her to allow us to put her down. When I go back to work she cannot be held all day. I would nurse her until she was lightly sleeping....then I would burp her and put her into her cosleeper. The first time she cried for 25 minutes but instead of leaving I stayed with her and would lay my hand on her belly. It was ha rd...but then it got easier. Now I can easily put her down for naps most of the day (end of the day nap is hit or miss).

Obviously this is not teaching her to self soothe yet, but I want to work on one thing a a time. I am not ready to do full cc until at least 4 months and that is if she is ready. Honestly, I am so stressed about how I will function working full time and waking up all night that I would do it tmr if she was ready. My pedi though is questioning if I have low capacity milk storage and that is why she nurses so frequently during the day and night- which means cc right now would be cruel to do. (I had trouble with supply at the beginning and combo fed for a bit). Plus she still gets excessive gas on and off. Like I said....at my wits end!

So we shall see...for the time being just doing what I can to survive!

 

[Irish Eyes]

Im not sure if this is what im looking for but Izzy is 15 weeks two days. So im aware to young.
She sttn, has done for a while now.
But she always falls asleep on me, on her bottle or i allow her to suck a dummy for two minutes then she sucks her thumb.

I would love it if she could advice herself to sleep by sucking her thumb without me holding her.

I don't like the cio idea, are any of these other methods right for me?
Or does anyone have some other advice?
She is a brilliant sleeper i just don't want her to get into the habit of me settling her off x

Have you tried laying her down in her crib while she's still awake? When we've done the bedtime routine i cuddle him for a few minutes and tell him I love him etc. Then I put him down in his crib. He sometimes does a little whinge which he does for his naps as well which is fine, if he starts crying at all then I always go in and pick him up and he'll fall asleep on me. However he's now been falling asleep on his own 9/10 times. I have no problems with him falling asleep on me though, I actually miss it when he doesn't!

This works for some babies but not for others. I tried this with my son and as a young baby he never ever fell asleep without crying if I put him down awake, no matter how drowsy he had previously seemed. He would just scream. I thought either I was doing something wrong or else that people were lying about their babies who settled down by themselves when put into the crib drowsy but awake! However, my new LO is much better at settling herself (much better sleeper in general) and with her more often than not she will fall asleep with no crying (possibly a bit of grumbling) if she is calm and relaxed when I put her down. So it does depend on the baby.

I understand that but I meant putting her down wide awake. So far people have said about putting them down drowsy but that never worked for my LO. However I found if he goes down wide awake then he's fine, it was just another idea.

 

[HopingFor2v1]

Hey ladies!

We started using CC with our LO this weekend and I must say, she is SO much easier to put down to sleep! She usually falls asleep before we have to go in there for the 3rd time (we wait 3 minutes the first time, 5 minutes the second, and then 10 minutes everytime after that), which is a big improvement! I tried CIO with her a couple of weeks ago and she would scream for up to 45 minutes everytime and I just couldn't do it anymore, so I'm glad I tried CC.

I did have a few questions for the ladies that have successfully done CC with their LO's. When you put your LOs down and they are trying to settle themselves, do you still continue to go in even after they seem to be on the verge of falling asleep? Or do you just wait to see if they fall asleep on their own?

We are also having trouble getting Riley to stay asleep through the night. She still wakes up 1-3 times a night and I was hoping someone could give me some advice on how to work on this with using CC.

Thanks!

 

[Vickie]

Best of luck to all of the moms doing sleep training.

Question... any thoughts on CC or CIO for a baby rolling onto their tummy and fussing because they're uncomfortable? My daughter has been waking constantly recently because she's learned to roll onto her tummy, but she needs "help" getting into a comfortable position. A few moms have recommended that I just let her "figure it out" on her own, but she just seems so uncomfortable!

oh thos is one of our biggest problems. he has taken to sleeping on his side but this means he keeps rolling on his front and waking up. i tried putting a rolled up towel next to him to stop him rolling...which worked for a while...but now he just rolls straight over it.
normally i use a sleeping bag...but for nap times i started using a blanket and tucking him in real tight to try prevent him rolling

it a tricky one...and solutions let me know!

After they are rolling freely they can sleep on their tummies. We actually found that once Rhys was rolling he wanted to sleep on his stomach and his sleep got much better as a result.

 

[libbylou]

We've had success so far!! LO has always been a terrible sleeper. Has a hard time going to sleep, can't self settle and can't stay asleep (tends to wake up every light sleep cycle so every 45-60 mins)

So last night we did our bedtime routine, then put her down awake in her crib.
I sat in a chair next to her crib and would sometimes tell her it was night night time or pat her back and shush her. She was asleep within 30 mins....played for a couple mins, cried, then slept...and the last 10 mins was barely crying

Today she had 3 crib naps (unheard of!! normally I have to nurse her to sleep and I'm lucky to get her down in her crib for one nap and other than that I have to sleep with her or put her in the swing/stroller/car).
1st nap - 40 mins crying off an on...45mins of sleep
2nd nap - 10 mins crying...25 mins of sleep (tried to get her back down but she was getting hysterical so I got her up)
3rd nap - asleep in 10 mins, a few mins of crying then a few mins of babbling...slept for 45 mins

Bedtime was 25 mins of crying (half hearted) and babbling. She woke after a half hour, made a few crying noises, babbled for a min and then went back to sleep...she NEVER self settles!

After 3 days I will move my chair to the middle of the room, after another 3 days I'll be at the door, and then out of the room

I was so so reluctant to use a method of sleep training that involved crying but I just couldn't continue anymore...we had to try something....I actually felt ok about the crying because it was productive crying (teaching her to put herself to sleep) rather than the usual 1-2 hours of us both crying in frustration and exhaustion while I tried to rock/nurse/pat/shush her to sleep

She still hasn't slept longer than 3 hours since she was 3 months old, but we cosleep as soon as I go to bed anyway which I'm fine to continue with as my intention at this point is to get her to go to bed and nap easier rather than getting her sleeping through the night in her own bed

 

[bananaz]

Best of luck to all of the moms doing sleep training.

Question... any thoughts on CC or CIO for a baby rolling onto their tummy and fussing because they're uncomfortable? My daughter has been waking constantly recently because she's learned to roll onto her tummy, but she needs "help" getting into a comfortable position. A few moms have recommended that I just let her "figure it out" on her own, but she just seems so uncomfortable!

I realize this isn't exactly answering your question, but have you tried putting her on her belly to begin with? I've been doing that with Elsie for naps and then shush-patting her when she fusses and it's been working pretty well.

If that's not an option and your LO is more prone to rolling in one direction you can trying putting her up against that side of the crib so she can't do it. Or if all else fails and you have $100 to burn, you can always get one of these!

https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2BXlCZ-OUL._AA300_.jpg​

 

[libbylou]

Re: rolling onto tummy
If LO is really upset I roll her back onto her back, but if she's just fussing I leave her to sort herself out. She's actually decided she prefers tummy sleeping now that she's in her crib and has room to roll onto her tummy

 

[polaris]

Im not sure if this is what im looking for but Izzy is 15 weeks two days. So im aware to young.
She sttn, has done for a while now.
But she always falls asleep on me, on her bottle or i allow her to suck a dummy for two minutes then she sucks her thumb.

I would love it if she could advice herself to sleep by sucking her thumb without me holding her.

I don't like the cio idea, are any of these other methods right for me?
Or does anyone have some other advice?
She is a brilliant sleeper i just don't want her to get into the habit of me settling her off x

Have you tried laying her down in her crib while she's still awake? When we've done the bedtime routine i cuddle him for a few minutes and tell him I love him etc. Then I put him down in his crib. He sometimes does a little whinge which he does for his naps as well which is fine, if he starts crying at all then I always go in and pick him up and he'll fall asleep on me. However he's now been falling asleep on his own 9/10 times. I have no problems with him falling asleep on me though, I actually miss it when he doesn't!

This works for some babies but not for others. I tried this with my son and as a young baby he never ever fell asleep without crying if I put him down awake, no matter how drowsy he had previously seemed. He would just scream. I thought either I was doing something wrong or else that people were lying about their babies who settled down by themselves when put into the crib drowsy but awake! However, my new LO is much better at settling herself (much better sleeper in general) and with her more often than not she will fall asleep with no crying (possibly a bit of grumbling) if she is calm and relaxed when I put her down. So it does depend on the baby.

I understand that but I meant putting her down wide awake. So far people have said about putting them down drowsy but that never worked for my LO. However I found if he goes down wide awake then he's fine, it was just another idea.

Sorry if I sounded abrupt! Just wanted to share my experience of two very different babies as I honestly used to find it quite upsetting with my first that other people seemed to be able to manage to do this and it just didn't work for me!

 

[Lilmiss1]

Anyone tried cc with a baby that sits up immediately when put flat and refuses to lie down/ cannot lie down himself easily? X

 

[pinklightbulb]

I haven't but in that case I would teach LO how to re-position himself before attempting CC. He won't fall asleep if he isn't comfortable. Or alternatively, I would go in every five mins using CC, re-position manually, kiss goodnight again and walk out (lather, rinse, repeat till results happen.)

 

[Noelle610]

Best of luck to all of the moms doing sleep training.

Question... any thoughts on CC or CIO for a baby rolling onto their tummy and fussing because they're uncomfortable? My daughter has been waking constantly recently because she's learned to roll onto her tummy, but she needs "help" getting into a comfortable position. A few moms have recommended that I just let her "figure it out" on her own, but she just seems so uncomfortable!

oh thos is one of our biggest problems. he has taken to sleeping on his side but this means he keeps rolling on his front and waking up. i tried putting a rolled up towel next to him to stop him rolling...which worked for a while...but now he just rolls straight over it.
normally i use a sleeping bag...but for nap times i started using a blanket and tucking him in real tight to try prevent him rolling

it a tricky one...and solutions let me know!

After they are rolling freely they can sleep on their tummies. We actually found that once Rhys was rolling he wanted to sleep on his stomach and his sleep got much better as a result.

I'm fine to let her sleep on her tummy, but she hates it. She must have cried out for my help 10 times last night... it was brutal. I really don't know what to do.

 

[Noelle610]

Best of luck to all of the moms doing sleep training.

Question... any thoughts on CC or CIO for a baby rolling onto their tummy and fussing because they're uncomfortable? My daughter has been waking constantly recently because she's learned to roll onto her tummy, but she needs "help" getting into a comfortable position. A few moms have recommended that I just let her "figure it out" on her own, but she just seems so uncomfortable!

I realize this isn't exactly answering your question, but have you tried putting her on her belly to begin with? I've been doing that with Elsie for naps and then shush-patting her when she fusses and it's been working pretty well.

If that's not an option and your LO is more prone to rolling in one direction you can trying putting her up against that side of the crib so she can't do it. Or if all else fails and you have $100 to burn, you can always get one of these!

https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2BXlCZ-OUL._AA300_.jpg​

I may try putting her down on her tummy tonight. Thanks for the advice!

 

[Mummy Bean]

Best of luck to all of the moms doing sleep training.

Question... any thoughts on CC or CIO for a baby rolling onto their tummy and fussing because they're uncomfortable? My daughter has been waking constantly recently because she's learned to roll onto her tummy, but she needs "help" getting into a comfortable position. A few moms have recommended that I just let her "figure it out" on her own, but she just seems so uncomfortable!

oh thos is one of our biggest problems. he has taken to sleeping on his side but this means he keeps rolling on his front and waking up. i tried putting a rolled up towel next to him to stop him rolling...which worked for a while...but now he just rolls straight over it.
normally i use a sleeping bag...but for nap times i started using a blanket and tucking him in real tight to try prevent him rolling

it a tricky one...and solutions let me know!

After they are rolling freely they can sleep on their tummies. We actually found that once Rhys was rolling he wanted to sleep on his stomach and his sleep got much better as a result.

mine rolls over on to his front but always goes up on his arms and wakes up...i wouldnt mind leaving him on his front if he could settle that way...but no such luck.