Chinese Accupuncture

[Blythe]

Briss - i will pray that next week will bring you different news. I do think a trip to France would be a nice thing to do and whilst i cannot imagine anything would take your mind off this, different surroundings can help clarify our thoughts on things and what steps to take next.

thinking of you

 

[Briss]

My HCG levels dropped since Monday. I do not care what the NHS thinks, to me this means it's over. waiting for Munich to tell me if I should stop progesterone now. going abroad maybe not be a great idea right now. hoping mc will wait for my return. Am definitely having a cappuccino tomorrow morning.

Mornings are the hardest time of the day for me cos I wake up feeling happy about the new day and then a moment later I realise what happened and I get this indescribable hard feeling somewhere inside, I cant even cry because it's such a deep feeling of sadness, it's almost beyond tears. It takes me at least an hour to force myself back into feeling more normal so I can function. It's actually very upsetting to be seating around waiting for mc. maybe women who do not do early scans are better off. They are blissfully unaware they have already lost the pregnancy and they only get through the heartache of it all once the actual bleeding starts. It took me only a few minutes to pack away all pregnancy related stuff and threw away pregnancy/baby related magazines so at home it all looks like it never happened, only it did.

Everyone keeps telling me how this is a good sign I had this pregnancy and that its just a matter of time now before I get a viable pregnancy on the way. The thing is, I never doubted my body is able to get pregnant, I know all the stats and my TTC history do not look promising but I still had this firm feeling that I was OK. maybe not suited for stim IVF but still fertile. I just need to get hold of good quality sperm and I will be pregnant in no time. if we cant get a viable embryo after IMSI I am really struggling to see what else can help. I am asking DH to do sperm DNA fragmentation test. I know it's not going to be good but I need to know how bad it is before I go through another thing like that.

 

[alison29]

That sounds like a smart plan of action.
I would like to pass on what my work friend said about her mmc. She chose to take the pills and she said it was the worst pain ever like giving birth but you don't get anything at the end. Hemoragging (sp?) type bleeding too. The pills did not work so she still had to get a d nc after all that. Her baby stopped growing around 6 weeks and still had not happened naturally at 10 weeks.
She told me she wished the doctor would have told her how bad the suppositories were. That's it she had to put them up there every few hours while flooding and cramping she said it was awful. So try to avoid those suppositories if you don't get there naturally.

 

[Briss]

alison, thank you. that sounds awful! but good to know.

Munich told me to stop progesterone as based on my HCG there is no chance. They said I do not need another scan to confirm it, as far as they are concerned this is missed mc and I need to chose now whether I do it naturally or via op. I did hear that naturally it's similar to giving birth. not quite the same of course but you still need to give birth to the embryo effectively. The sac is around 1.5 cm now and it's quite hard as it needs to protect the embryo so this will be quite something…

 

[Jazzbird]

Briss - really sad to hear your horrible news. I have no advice on whether to wait or go for the procedure except it will be over faster and you could be waiting some time.

You're such a strong lady Briss, I cannot believe how much heartache you have withstood and how you are immediately looking at next steps. Would your OH consider donor sperm after watching you go through all of this?

I know it offers no comfort but I think of you every day. Sending you lots of love Briss.

Xxx

 

[Briss]

Jazzbird, thank you! I wanted to ask you actually what are your thoughts on using TCM to bring on mc? I am hearing that naturally it may take a while so I wonder if I should ask Dr E to help with this using acu or herbs.

 

[nobump]

Briss hope you enjoy france.

My SIL had 2 miss carriages before stopping TTC she said she couldn't go through the pain and heartache again. Never asked her to much about it at the time. Had only been with now husband abiut a year and she is a closed person. I am sure you will make the correct choice for you.

Thinking of you xxxxx

 

[Jazzbird]

Hi Briss - yes I think herbs and/or acupuncture can bring on miscarriage. Definitely discuss with Dr E - I'm sure he will have a considered opinion and should offer you some sound advice.

Thinking of you & everyone else on this thread. LTTC is the pits.
X

 

[threebirds]

Briss, Im so sorry. I just popped into this thread to see how everyone is doing. I have had 3mmc and have gone all routes, op, pills & waiting. My experience with the pills wasnt great as they only partially worked i ended up waiting for it to complete. The op was the right decision first time as I was 13 wks and lost my amniotic fluid. Waiting was right the last time as it just felt right & I wanted to be absolutely sure it was over. I think looking at TCM to help might be the right way. Everyone has different experiences and you generally bleed for a couple of wks afterwards. Its the mental pain of the loss thats hardest. Please dont give up hope for the future. We did get there in the end & DH had very low count & quality & I had high fsh and low amh. So sorry you are going through this x

 

[Briss]

Threebirds, thank you! Can I ask did you get to the bottom of why you had miscarriages? Did you do anything different in your last ivf? Any immune treatment?

 

[Vonn]

Briss--thinking of you this week. I hope a few days away have offered a change of perspective and scenery for you and your DH.

 

[Blythe]

Briss - i saw your chart - I am thinking of you

 

[Wish4another1]

Briss - massive been reading along and praying you would have a different outcome. I am still HOH (holding out hope) you will have your baby soon.
much love to you!

 

[nobump]

Sending you some hugs hope you manage to get away for a few days xx

 

[Briss]

ladies, thank you. we got back from France last night. The bleeding started on tuesday. it was actually OK at the beginning like heavy AF with more cramps than usual so I could not sleep. but yestetdat it's a whole different story. I started having uterine contractions, real painful but it got worse cos they were coming up every few minutes and an hour before boarding they were already every few seconds. I was only able to take a deep breathe in between. The flight was just horrific but nothing was coming out but liquid blood. By the time we got home the contractions eased and then stopped very quickly. I was disappointed as I thought my body was trying to clear itself out but could not. Anyway I went to the loo just before going to bed and could just feel something big coming out, I looked inside and it was a very long and large piece followed by a smaller piece. I was not sure what it was, seemed too large for a sac and it did not look like a sac but like gigantic clot. Turns out it was my embryo after all. No embryo was seen on the scan today. But placenta is still inside. They think my body is managing well so it should pass the placenta by itself. Next scan in 2 weeks. No antibiotics

 

[gingmg]

Briss- I'm thinking of you.

 

[Vonn]

Briss--Thanks for coming on to give an update. This is just heart-breaking, but at the same time it's encouraging that your body is clearing on its own. I hope you pass the placenta soon so that the process doesn't drag out and require meds and/or procedures. I continue to think of you and wish you comfort.

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[Juniperjules]

Hi girls,
I popped in here a few months ago but haven't been around again for a while until today.. Briss.. There are just no words.. I'm truly sorry for ur loss.. I have never experienced it myself but my mum had 4 m/c, and even 2 weeks ago while talking to me about TTC she began to cry over her losses more than 30 years ago. It's a pain no woman should have to bear. I think u have an amazing attitude & I hope that the future holds happiness ahead like it did for my mum.. She eventually had my little sister- a happy ending..

I wanted to just quickly mention something- and see wot u girls know about this???.. I saw my FS last week & had bloods done.. Turns out I'm hypothyroid! She wants my TSH below 2.5, and it's currently 2.89 which is too high for pregnancy!!

I had no idea.. I've been googling & reading & now I'm educated to the fact that being hypothyroid can cause M/C, birth defects, infertility!!! I read story after story of women having m/c due to thyroid issues, and doctors who had no idea & we're giving incorrect advice..
I'm shocked & kinda stunned.. And annoyed that my TSH is 2.89 when 18mths ago it was 1.3..

Anyway, the FS has started me on 50mcg of thyroxine.. I didn't even have to go see her, she got my results & then posted me a script..quite impressed by that I must say..

 

[Briss]

Juniperjules, thank you. have you tested T3/T4 ad all other thyroid tests? I am surprised you are put on the hormone so soon. TSH goes up and down a lot. 2.8 is totally fine actually you just need to monitor that it does not go up. mine went up to 3.7 and then went down to 2. my endocrinologist did not think i needed the hormone even though my mum has under active thyroid. he said i am at risk but until my TSH (and other tests) show a constant increase i should not go on hormonal replacement. I was monitoring my tsh when I got my BFP in case i am not producing enough for both of us and it was going up little by little but still around 2.5-3.5 but no one raised any concerns.

 

[Juniperjules]

Well that's the thing Briss, I found so much information from women saying they were told it didn't matter, it fluctuates etc etc.. And then they miscarried. A couple miscarried up to 3 or 4 times before somehow being alerted to the thyroid levels.

Funny thing is I HAVE put on weight the last 4-5 mths & it has baffled me a bit as to why? I've also been feeling pretty lacking in energy.. I'd never have thought of my thyroid.. I've had it checked a few time in recent years with no problem found. But maybe something's changed. My aunt & cousin are both hypothyroid so it is in the family.

The only reason I'm going ahead & taking the thyroxine is because my FS is an EXTREMELY well respected FS- and I have a lot of faith in her & her knowledge & expertise in all things baby-making related. they call her 'the baby whisperer' here in Australia- bcos if anyone can get u pregnant it's her. She does & tries things that others don't.. And she gets results. She got a woman pregnant last year who no longer had ovaries- only frozen ovarian tissue that had been removed prior to cancer treatment. She somehow put the tissue back in the woman's body & managed to get eggs somehow- a miracle if u ask me.. But anyway wot I'm getting at is that she really truly is pretty amazing in wot she does- so if she's telling me that 2.89 is too high for pregnancy then I'm happy to believe her. Especially now that I've read so many women telling their own stories & trying to get other women to beware about it.

Granted my FS DID say that if ur not trying to get pregnant then 2.89 isn't such an issue.

She also sent me a pathology slip for T3, T4 & antibodies to have done. So I'll do those & see wot happens next