Chinese Accupuncture

[Briss]

I also feel like like my ovaries were being pierced but I thought it was just a feeling not an actual thing...

I also get Ren 17 point (between my breasts) every time, no idea why i get it it seems nothing to do with conception

 

[Blythe]

https://www.acupuncture.com.au/education/meridians/ren-meridian.html

This site shows all ren points...you can click on each one for more info

 

[Briss]

I asked my acu doc about these points after O but she said they stimulate these points before and after O, even after egg transfer during IVF. She also said that they do not penetrate internal organs and only go muscle deep (huge relief!). so I got all the usual points today REN 4, 6 and 17, both zigongs (the right one was so painful!, st36, sp10, sp6, du20. I mentioned to my doc that the right zigong was very painful but she said it was good it was supposed to be sensitive means it's working

 

[Blythe]

Thats good to know....i always get a jolt when they insert needle into st36 so hopefully its doing something positive. Have you got some more herbs?

I have dropped the maca powder last couple of weeks...too many things to take so something had to go...

 

[Briss]

I still have one more week of herbs, not sure yet whether I buy another 6 weeks of herbs after that, it's 210 pounds... and also we will probably start IVF by then. Although I do not want to do stimulated cycle so may be taking herbs will be ok. I heard that herbs may interfere with stimulating meds.

st36 is really sensitive I always feel it but zigong was plainly painful. I also notice I cant breath properly whole time I am with needles cos if I take a deep breath my belly moves and needles with it making it almost unbearable.

I do not take maca but give it to my DH, in caps and also try to mix some maca powder in everything he eats I started taking arginine after O, Lewis recommends it

 

[vkj73]

got me a couple of days ago.

i'm going to take a break from acupuncture this round.

i did just buy some vitex though, and will try more of the
herbal tea this round too.

i also think i'm going to allow myself decaf coffee (with a sprinkle of caffeine here and there) and some drinks here and there too. moderation of course.

i've been so disciplined with no alcohol, no decaf or regular coffee, and only drinking chinese herbs that i'm going to just take a break from all that. very frustrating to be so focused and not get a

live a little, relax, but again in moderation.
that's my formula for this cycle anyway.

 

[Blythe]

I still have one more week of herbs, not sure yet whether I buy another 6 weeks of herbs after that, it's 210 pounds... and also we will probably start IVF by then. Although I do not want to do stimulated cycle so may be taking herbs will be ok. I heard that herbs may interfere with stimulating meds.

st36 is really sensitive I always feel it but zigong was plainly painful. I also notice I cant breath properly whole time I am with needles cos if I take a deep breath my belly moves and needles with it making it almost unbearable.

I do not take maca but give it to my DH, in caps and also try to mix some maca powder in everything he eats I started taking arginine after O, Lewis recommends it

Ive benn taking l-arginine but throughout cycle so will perhaps only take it after ovulation from now on. Have you booked appt for ivf consultation if you dont mind my asking. I wonder how quick it is from first appt to starting the treatment...do you know? Ive read different things anout herbs and meds....some clinics dont seem to mind.

 

[Blythe]

got me a couple of days ago.

i'm going to take a break from acupuncture this round.

i did just buy some vitex though, and will try more of the
herbal tea this round too.

i also think i'm going to allow myself decaf coffee (with a sprinkle of caffeine here and there) and some drinks here and there too. moderation of course.

i've been so disciplined with no alcohol, no decaf or regular coffee, and only drinking chinese herbs that i'm going to just take a break from all that. very frustrating to be so focused and not get a

live a little, relax, but again in moderation.
that's my formula for this cycle anyway.

Hi vkj sorry about AF....its bloody hard to be so focused with no BFP at the end...its exhausting! Ive been drinking and having caffiene here and there....i dont think it does any harm at all. Being too stressed and too focused on one thing does more harm (imo). I feel very relaxed this cycle as im off work for the xmas break and just relaxing at home (booze has also helped with that). I felt like a tightly wound coil before so its a huge relief to just stop and do nothing.

Fingers crossed for a new year bfp. Are you going to temp this month?

 

[Briss]

VKJ, so sorry AF got you! re coffee etc I can totally relate, after several months on almost no coffee I could not stop myself any longer and had my favourite almost every day during the festive season… same with chocolate. I just do not know how to keep on going and keeping myself away from my favourite things for months and months with no BFP in sight

Blythe, I am not entirely sure when you are supposed to take arginine, I will be taking it after O to increase progesterone (I read somewhere that it can help). I have not booked appt for ivf, I still need to persuade my DH that we have to do this. If we are paying ourselves I am sure they can start from the next cycle following the appointment. Also I am thinking of natural IVF so it should be pretty straightforward. The most difficult thing is getting DH on board

I am so sad today, the last day of 2012, same time last year I was so sure I will be with child by now… Lucky 2013!!!

 

[Blythe]

Its a hard and sometimes long journey.....i remember getting excited with a good friend of mine about ttc and now her son is 7 months and my friend at work is due for second scan.....whilst im stilll messing around with thermometers and opks!! I too get sad and days like this dont help. I aim to bring in the new year with some optimism that 2013 will be the year i get pregnant.....

I will have to drag DH away from computer soon for BDing....

 

[Briss]

Happy BD!!! to conceive a child on new year's eve is very romantic best of luck!

 

[vkj73]

thanks blythe and briss.
i totally agree. in some ways i think being so focused and so disciplined
is almost more stressful. not for all, but for me, i think i need to let loose a little.

happy new year to you all. many believe that 13 is actually a lucky number,
so here's to 2013!

 

[MalaMae]

Happy New Year, girls!!! May soon this thread moves to pregnancy forum )

 

[Blythe]

Happy new year girls! Lets hope its our year....

 

[Blythe]

Acu and herbs does not seem to have had too much effect on my temps so far - the doc was keen to raise my temps but my hands and feet have not been noticeably cold so i guess that is an improvement. I think i ovulated on CD13 - i have a positive OPK in the evening together with very strong ovulation pains. Did not BD that day as both had hangovers!!

i have been taking my temps much later this cycle as I'm off work at the mo but have been using that link you sent me Briss which allows me to calculate approx temp if taken later (v.useful - many thanks again).

Been a bit irregular with taking herbs too as the doc said they should be taken on an empty stomach and allow at least an hour before having any other food/drink so with xmas festivities it made it difficult. But back on track from today and determined to have a healthy'ish start to the new year.

 

[Briss]

Blythe, it does look like you O on Cd13, welcome to TWW! are you going to be doing pineapples? My acu doc did not tell me that I was supposed to be taking herbs on an empty stomach. I do not think I ever do…

I've already had 9 or 10 sessions but I have to say I cant really see any major changes. I am less cold which is great but my hands and feet are still icy cold most of the time. I thought I stopped craving chocolate but no, not really still do. My spotting before and after AF is also still there. clots are still there. I O very early but after I started acu I seem to be O even earlier than usual (CD10-11 rather than CD12). I am hoping the positive changes are still there i.e. quality of eggs is better, more blood goes to my reproductive organs etc., cant really check those, can you

Cant decide whether I should do for acu this Sunday or skip one week. I know she is going to do REN points on my tummy and even though I doubt I am pregnant there is still a chance and though she said it's OK I still worry…

 

[Blythe]

Instead of skipping a week perhaps tell her you don't want needles in tummy in 2ww. I do remember that my previous practitioner would not use the tummy points post ovulation. I will be interested to see what happens on sat as i will make it clear I'm post ovulation and see where he puts the needles and report back.

I'm praying i see some positive results from this set of treatments as i was so disillusioned last time but i do believe in chinese medicine and hope i have found a doc who will try his best for me. i think about the cash i have handed over on supplements, treatments etc and I'm sure i have spent enough to pay for a natural round of IVF!!

Still back to being positive.....sainsburys was out of pineapples....bugger!! I will go again tomorrow and have a big slice everyday although i do have pineapple juice but i know its not the same. I will also start with my prog cream tomorrow as it was great to have a spotting free 2ww last cycle.

I have no doubt that our treatments are doing some good stuff on the inside - as im off work i have been googling like a nutter and found some inspiring stories of ladies becoming pregnant following a few months of chinese medicine treatment.

 

[Briss]

I would also be interested what your doc gonna do post O. I feel so awkward to ask her that after she assured me that it's perfectly safe. It's like I am questioning her expertise. I'd much rather be a coward and do not turn up

 

[Blythe]

Today is not a good day. I got my crossed lines and really there is no great discernible difference between pre and post ovulation temps and overall my temps are now even lower.

I feel so upset because when i went into the place I'm going to now i told them about my experience before and they said they were different...Im going to give them a piece of my mind tomorrow because temp wise this is my worst cycle yet and ive given them almost £300 to do that!!!

sorry for rant

 

[Briss]

I agree your post O temp was higher last cycle. may be you are still gearing up to O?

I do not agree where FF put my O, I am so sure I O 1-2 days later.