Chinese Accupuncture

[alison29]

Shiseru avoidence is sometimes the only way I can cope too. I can't even begin to imagine loss like that..It's not the same for me that is why i can pretend i am just peachy with it all. So unfair.

Briss i am glad to hear that you are still dreaming of your baby. Its only a matter of time then. Once you get pg if will all fall into place and make sense why you were made to struggle for so long whereas others laydown once (not bitter not me )
I know i struggle with the want thing and try to work on my thoughts everyday.

Thanks Blythe! I will be purchasing this boook on my kindle tonight.

AFM I am scared about my lap it is Tuesday. Had pre op yesterday and bw today. Well lap and on the info chromotubation. Holy crap i am dying to know what is going on int ehre.

 

[alison29]

Oh and thanks for the mediation sites i have been struggling with meditation this week so you sending us the link is sychronicity.

 

[Briss]

Thank you ladies, it's really tough and particularly with hubby not being very supportive. I finally managed to book an appointment with overpriced dr Zhai and he is refusing to come with me! I am so disappointed I do not even know who else can help us with sperm count, he said he does not believe in TCM and it's just a way to get our money. I've heard so many stories with men improving their sperm count after doing acu. I am totally grateful that he has stopped with the beer that he is taking vitamins (not every day but most days) but I feel that's not enough and instead of waiting for 3 months to see if this has made any difference we should try and do more. not sure if I can persuade him.

Blythe, thanks for the link I will check it out properly over the weekend. I got my crosshairs so were right about O on CD11, but I think a temp sort of dropping right after O is not a good sign in TCM. I remember the doc's assistant were saying that this should not be happening. not sure what it means – smth for Dr Zhai to explain.

I am not sure about "Wishing Well", I remember reading the Secret but I did not quite approve the idea. I think it only works with simple things like money and material objects it does quite work as we want it to with more serious things like illness etc. I tried it and it failed me

Alison, how does the want thing work exactly? should we want things or not?

 

[alison29]

https://www.stevepavlina.com/ Yeah it is okay to want things just not focus on the lack of them in your life because then you will keep getting just that a lack of a pregnancy I haven't mastered it either (obviously )..but start with problems that are not so HUGE and try out the system it works. Lets say I was really annoyed with my husband teasing me all the tiem well the more I thought about how annoyed I was the more annoying behavior I got and that is true. I tried not to dwell on the bad parts and I do think things have gotten better.I try to focus on how I want things to be not the way the things are that aren't goiing right. The above has LOTs of great reads i highly recommend on the topic very motivational I was doing really good for a couple of weeks reading an article or two everyday. ...It gets so easy to revert back to usual thought processes but it's just conditioning of our minds it's not how we have to be. REally this guy is so helpful in understanding it all but even he works everyday to improve himself (meditations and whatnot) and I would say he is already a master.
Maybe with your dh you could try a little reverse psychology? I always trying to "massage" things to get my desired results. Fake that you aren't too concerned about it blah blah blah and maybe he will jump on board with you. IT couldn't hurt to try.
I know the more i push my dh the more he digs his heels in against me.

 

[alison29]

oh and i was just reading the reviews on the book a few minutes ago and they said if the secret failed to work for you then this book may help you get past those blocks. But the other site steve pavlina is free and you can access right away and get better information then what i have been typing here.

 

[Blythe]

ive just been out with work colleges for a leaving do....one of the guys i work with [one of the nice ones] told me his mrs is in the very early stages of pregnancy.....she had an early miscarriage so i am pleased for him. Anyhow, he was one side and my friend at work another side....she is 30 weeks so huge and looks edible [in a pregnant sort of way]. Honestly i don't mind when women have the babies as newborns are a bit weird looking...crikey even seeing the newborns puts me off [they are hard work and parents look rubbish].....its the pregnancy stage that i cannot mentally deal with....women look so amazing too me when pregnant and i so long to have that.

just a little about me...i tried to have a baby for 3 odd years when in my post 35 years and it did not happen...did bloods but then gave up...i then decided my DH was a twit so opted to leave him and work in another country. i then became pregnant [dont worry its not one of those give up it will happen stories - it was just luck [i think its all luck - only one BD in cycle post ovulation too!] but i did and i had a baby. when i did become pregnant i went on forums and corresponded with women, i avoided the ones that were in their second pregnancies because i thought how could they possibly know how i feel. I realise now that each pregnancy is unique. Im only saying this because infertility is heartbreaking for all. I do know how lucky i am i appreciate we are have different circumstances but i just wanted to say that i really think you are all brilliant but i think you girls that are LTTTC still waiting for first BFP are extra special. it will come and i will be the first to cheer.

ive had 3 pints so this might be rambling!!!

 

[Blythe]

Thank you ladies, it's really tough and particularly with hubby not being very supportive. I finally managed to book an appointment with overpriced dr Zhai and he is refusing to come with me! I am so disappointed I do not even know who else can help us with sperm count, he said he does not believe in TCM and it's just a way to get our money. I've heard so many stories with men improving their sperm count after doing acu. I am totally grateful that he has stopped with the beer that he is taking vitamins (not every day but most days) but I feel that's not enough and instead of waiting for 3 months to see if this has made any difference we should try and do more. not sure if I can persuade him.

Blythe, thanks for the link I will check it out properly over the weekend. I got my crosshairs so were right about O on CD11, but I think a temp sort of dropping right after O is not a good sign in TCM. I remember the doc's assistant were saying that this should not be happening. not sure what it means – smth for Dr Zhai to explain.

I am not sure about "Wishing Well", I remember reading the Secret but I did not quite approve the idea. I think it only works with simple things like money and material objects it does quite work as we want it to with more serious things like illness etc. I tried it and it failed me

Alison, how does the want thing work exactly? should we want things or not?

my feeling is that cosmic ordering is a load of bollocks. i think when reading this sort of stuff we start making subtle difference to our
lifestyle/outlook/diet/exercise regime/attitude that then manifest themselves in change...Its really just positive thinking and changing our thought processes hence our actions. Now then, this stuff might work for girls that are new to this...and therefore start paying attention to their diet etc which will clearly affect their fertility [there is a link....no shit sherlock!] but for us girls who have been trying for a while im struggling to see how this works. As i say im off work for a few days so i will read this book and hope to come back here with some firm instructions....it could be magic after all and I'm just being cynical

 

[alison29]

I love all the literature on manifesting..it really resonates with me but for some praying resonates. I guess it is ehatever feels righ t. Thanks for sharing about yourself! I agree about the first time bfpers. Let us know what u think bout the book. I can see how a person would think it is bs though

 

[Briss]

Maybe I should leave my DH... sometimes I think by sticking with him I am committing a crime against my unborn children because he is the problem and he is not co-operating while I am running out of time. I do love him but nothing can compare to my love for my unborn children

I've just come back from ne yo's concert at O2 (I do not blame you if you do not know who he is, I did not know either), an RnB singer, I wanted to take my mind off TTC and what do I get? he devoted a song to his little daughter - sweet, with her pictures all over and statements like "the greatest thing I've ever done". am happy for him, but did I need this reminder that I am yet to do "the greatest thing" myself ... am stuffing myself with a chocolate cake to make myself feel a little better before I can go to bed

somehow despite my shortcomings in a form of chocolate, I still feel that my body is in good shape for pregnancy, I am not sure how long this will last but last two years I was definitely ready for this. Feel like I am wasting my precious time waiting for hubby to catch up. was hoping that TCM can stop this process to give me a bit more time while I wait.

Blythe, inspiring story actually, seems like your DH and you were meant to be together totally agree with your luck theory. but then I am screwed, luck is one thing that has not been particularly friendly to me. interesting about BD post O, that's what dr Z says in her book. I mean we did BD post O on a number of occasions but usually the last time we BD is a day before or a day of O. maybe that's our problem?

 

[Blythe]

Maybe I should leave my DH... sometimes I think by sticking with him I am committing a crime against my unborn children because he is the problem and he is not co-operating while I am running out of time. I do love him but nothing can compare to my love for my unborn children

I've just come back from ne yo's concert at O2 (I do not blame you if you do not know who he is, I did not know either), an RnB singer, I wanted to take my mind off TTC and what do I get? he devoted a song to his little daughter - sweet, with her pictures all over and statements like "the greatest thing I've ever done". am happy for him, but did I need this reminder that I am yet to do "the greatest thing" myself ... am stuffing myself with a chocolate cake to make myself feel a little better before I can go to bed

somehow despite my shortcomings in a form of chocolate, I still feel that my body is in good shape for pregnancy, I am not sure how long this will last but last two years I was definitely ready for this. Feel like I am wasting my precious time waiting for hubby to catch up. was hoping that TCM can stop this process to give me a bit more time while I wait.

Blythe, inspiring story actually, seems like your DH and you were meant to be together totally agree with your luck theory. but then I am screwed, luck is one thing that has not been particularly friendly to me. interesting about BD post O, that's what dr Z says in her book. I mean we did BD post O on a number of occasions but usually the last time we BD is a day before or a day of O. maybe that's our problem?

Im not sure we were meant to be together....i do love him but its only in the last few months he has been fully on board to TTC. Even then he still complains about the supps but does his best to perform when asked. Given that our sex life is non-existent other than the around TTC time and even then it really is the basics, that impresses me! He is not keen on IVF but given a sufficient amount of nagging that could change.

[hope i don't seem presumptuous but.....] Your DH is taking his supps and has drastically cut down on the booze, he went for SA when you were away etc...I think he may be hurt he cannot give you what you want [he will though!] but expresses it defensively [and sometimes men throw their toys out of the pram] so it may seem he is not as committed as you. Men are very proud aren't they. Having said no one is as committed as us girls....men just don't understand and they cannot because they don't have these hormones that send us a bit loopy every now and then.

just ride through this rough patch and keep focused on your goals....keep being strong

 

[Briss]

Blythe, thank you so much for your words of wisdom, in my despair and anger I cant see things clearly. In TCM they say that emotions are very important and can affect the wholeness of our system. I clearly have problem with anger, am so angry at the universe it's overwhelming

 

[Blythe]

Shiseru avoidence is sometimes the only way I can cope too. I can't even begin to imagine loss like that..It's not the same for me that is why i can pretend i am just peachy with it all. So unfair.

Briss i am glad to hear that you are still dreaming of your baby. Its only a matter of time then. Once you get pg if will all fall into place and make sense why you were made to struggle for so long whereas others laydown once (not bitter not me )
I know i struggle with the want thing and try to work on my thoughts everyday.

Thanks Blythe! I will be purchasing this boook on my kindle tonight.

AFM I am scared about my lap it is Tuesday. Had pre op yesterday and bw today. Well lap and on the info chromotubation. Holy crap i am dying to know what is going on int ehre.

Alison - hope you are well Let us know how the lap goes on tues....please don't be scared. I haven't had one but I am having my HSG on thurs so depending on that may schedule a lap....lots of ladies go onto conceive after a lap dont they?

Ive started reading my book and the lady is a hypnotist and so she is explaining some of the methods she uses. a couple of things i have read had resonated with me....She keeps repeating "The process of getting whatever you desire is the emotion of already having it"....ive yet to really grasp what this involves but i am intrigued.

 

[Briss]

I am wondering how does "The process of getting whatever you desire is the emotion of already having it" work for secondary infertility. surely if you already have a child you have all the right emotions about being a mother? what other emotions you would need to develop? I also heard that for people struggling to get pregnant with their first to spend more time with children and babies, supposedly helps to get pregnant. I guess sometimes it works sometimes it does not, a fellow B&B member works with children but it does not seem to be helping, quite the opposite, just a constant reminder

 

[Blythe]

I dont know....i havent read anymore today......i watched a couple of episodes of the undateables instead. My DH has been lying in sofa all day hungover which irritates me. He hasnt taken his supps either. He djs every couple of months and irraviable gets drunk and seems to spend the rest of his sparetime making music. I have to keep an eye as ive caught him with laptop on top of private area no doubt frying his sperm! He is under strict instructions to to keep it away!

Ive been eating masses....i really need to get a grip! I just wish i could exercise but im still recovering from my back going so my whole body is sore. Mosn, moan, moan!

Need a big dose of PMA tomorrow

 

[Briss]

laptop on top of his private area - must be forbidden! I agree, I do not even let my DH ride a bike, he is so upset about it.

I seem to have formed vitamin B2 deficiency, can definitely see some major cracking of the right corner of my mouth - definite sign. also, I hear vitamin B2 deficiency is nearly always part of a general vitamin deficiency. frustrated, considering the amount of vitamins I am taking (i also added B complex to my pregnacare conception). decided to stop all vitamins except for vitamin b2 at least for a week, maybe some of the vitamins inhibit vitamin b2 absorption

 

[Blythe]

im going to get a decent B vit complex today. i dont really want to take pregnacare for a while....I got my folate through the post yesterday so going to take that and avoid the folic acid....my body needs a break.

I have been eating walnuts and raspberries everyday to improve kidney yang.....not noticed any difference though.

today is CD5 and just slight spotting...the same yesterday. I hope a 3 day AF is enough to get pregnant....its quite nice having a short period but not sure how healthy it is.

Briss - other than chocolate cake late friday night how is your chocolate consumption?

 

[Blythe]

Started bleeding again so just having a stop /start cycle!

 

[Briss]

I got B complex from higher nature but now stopped it and just take B2, I can see it working actually even after just 2 days.

I think it takes time to see a difference when you are trying to make changes in your diet. Also I sometime get a stop /start period, i can get no blood not even spotting for the whole day and then it start coming out again. it's not particularly great though.

My chocolate consumption is quite terrible I am having too much of this stuff and it's really difficult to stop or even to limit it. Though I am trying to replace it with honey and dry fruit

I have one more week of herbs and then not even sure maybe I return to the herbs that my previous doc gave me I still have 1 or even 2 weeks supply (although it's one year old) but they look very different from the ones I am currently taking, could potentially mess things up. My app with Dr Zhai is mid april, seems like ages, I so hope it'll worth it. Still a lot to do before I can make my DH change his mind and join me for the appointment.

 

[Blythe]

I brought some nice English set honey today and done more of the mixed royal jelly/bee pollen stuff. I read that it has all the b vits in it so I did not buy a supplement in the end.

I have been gorging on chocolate all weekend but I have this week off work so I determined to leave it well alone. I'm also going to try to meditate and do done of this manifesting/cosmic ordering stuff. I think I need to really believe I'm pregnant already although I'm just not sure about this still. I'm also going to order a new job and some wealth (don't want to be rich just not worried about money).

That's great about the appt .....I thought you would have to wait longer than that as I've seen threads about women who have gone to her Clinic waiting months. I had a new doc today and he was great...he put loads of needles on and I fell asleep.....I never do that do it felt like it was effective. Unlike my other doc he had no qualms about needling the tummy points whilst on period. My ovaries are aching a bit now. Yesterday I went to see the Chinese guy who has s little unit in the indoor market who charges 15 for acu....he was great and I said I would go and see him. He said 40 was young so clearly I already like him! A old Jamaican guy was in there saying he and all his family see him and he's really good so I will check him out when my treatments are finished in 2 wks with my current ones.

 

[Briss]

We've been arguing with hubby all weekend I even almost threw him out on Saturday but then we made peace because it was supposed to be implantation time and I needed to be calm (as my DH put it), I am still not sure how long this seize fire thing continue.

He is also upset I do not let him go on holiday on his own, I just cant miss an ovulation!

It's so great that you keep discovering new acu docs, for some reason I am so scared of these little Chinese clinics in markers and shopping centres. My husband's Chinese friends (two) said they do not go to Chinese doctors in London because they would not know who is good and who is a charlatan. that's a bit disturbing that they prefer western approach. If Chinese medicine was so great you would expect Chinese people doing it, wouldn't you? Obviously that does not help my case in persuading hubby to join me for the appointment.

Left a message with my FS to discuss hubby's SA. nervously waiting for her to call me back.