Chinese Accupuncture

[Briss]

I am really pleased with myself so far, had carrot juice for dinner but I feel hungry every minute, that's so tiring. I also did a bit of exercise (just lifting my legs with some weight on them). it'll get really tricky next week when I will be away, it's always hard to keep to your diet when abroad you never know what you can eat.

my local gym is 6 pounds per visit which is great i think.

Dr Z actually said the herbal formula is not going to change depending on where I am in my cycle, she will only change it once she sees my condition changes. It's a bit surprising that her formulas are so wide spread. maybe they are quite basic chinese formulas?

as soon as I said that my acne cleared I got a really nasty one on my chin, although it's not as bad as what i had before


I like your idea with positive words!

Dr Z has listed a bunch of classic chinese herbal formulas in the back of her book...for example


Xue Fu Zhu Yu Tang
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Xue-Fu-Z...87?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item25792ddf5b

xiao yao tang
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Anxiety-...AlternativeTherapies&var=&hash=item4171e51b9a

this really is a classic one - i used to take these years ago - they are commonly referred to as happy pills - i cannot recall if they worked or not but remember these being pointed at alot in chinese herbal clinics as a pick me up....

Liu wei di huang tang
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3x-Liu-W...ural_AlternativeTherapies&hash=item20c2f8c6cc

Tiao Jing Tang
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tiao-Jin...ural_AlternativeTherapies&hash=item4ac3376c80

You Gui Wan
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Pks-Yo...ural_AlternativeTherapies&hash=item4ac2a27b55

and so on......I suppose most docs start with a basic formula and add/subtract other herbs based on individual....

I've been looking at Liu wei di huang tang formula and actually remembered that dr Z was asking about my low back pain but she draw a distinction (or it might be how I interpreted it) between having this pain before or during AF or if this is spine related issue (as in my case). I always ticked myself as low back pain in Chinese questionnaires but apparently this is not the right kind of low back pain.

I was taking Tiao Jing Tang and I did not like it because I suspect it made me ovulate early and the two cycle I was on it were short 24 days

 

[Briss]

Hi girls! Missed you!
Read all of your posts. I don't have much to report.
Have been dealing with family issues and in 1.5 week lost 6.6 lb (eating only 1 per day, I lost my appetite).
I'm not doing any temping, OPKs, saliva etc. Absolutely nothing! I have no idea when I will ovulate or ovulated ) we actually finally enjoy random BD and it feels great!
We are not thinking of IUI or IVF at all. I'm letting go and I feel so much more better

MalaMae, great to see you here, you have been missed! I think this is very brave of you to just let go, I am so hoping this will do the trick

 

[Blythe]

I am really pleased with myself so far, had carrot juice for dinner but I feel hungry every minute, that's so tiring. I also did a bit of exercise (just lifting my legs with some weight on them). it'll get really tricky next week when I will be away, it's always hard to keep to your diet when abroad you never know what you can eat.

my local gym is 6 pounds per visit which is great i think.

Dr Z actually said the herbal formula is not going to change depending on where I am in my cycle, she will only change it once she sees my condition changes. It's a bit surprising that her formulas are so wide spread. maybe they are quite basic chinese formulas?

as soon as I said that my acne cleared I got a really nasty one on my chin, although it's not as bad as what i had before


I like your idea with positive words!

Dr Z has listed a bunch of classic chinese herbal formulas in the back of her book...for example


Xue Fu Zhu Yu Tang
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Xue-Fu-Z...87?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item25792ddf5b

xiao yao tang
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Anxiety-...AlternativeTherapies&var=&hash=item4171e51b9a

this really is a classic one - i used to take these years ago - they are commonly referred to as happy pills - i cannot recall if they worked or not but remember these being pointed at alot in chinese herbal clinics as a pick me up....

Liu wei di huang tang
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3x-Liu-W...ural_AlternativeTherapies&hash=item20c2f8c6cc

Tiao Jing Tang
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tiao-Jin...ural_AlternativeTherapies&hash=item4ac3376c80

You Gui Wan
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Pks-Yo...ural_AlternativeTherapies&hash=item4ac2a27b55

and so on......I suppose most docs start with a basic formula and add/subtract other herbs based on individual....

I've been looking at Liu wei di huang tang formula and actually remembered that dr Z was asking about my low back pain but she draw a distinction (or it might be how I interpreted it) between having this pain before or during AF or if this is spine related issue (as in my case). I always ticked myself as low back pain in Chinese questionnaires but apparently this is not the right kind of low back pain.

I was taking Tiao Jing Tang and I did not like it because I suspect it made me ovulate early and the two cycle I was on it were short 24 days

yes interesting....i have lower back pain and always thought it was a classic sign of kidney yang deficiency. I have been taking little pills - 'nuan gong yun si wan' and i nearly have a positive OPK. im not sure if it is them or not but i wouldn't be surprised if i have ovulated by CD10...i hope it stretches out a bit as i feel if i ovulate before CD10 i will have little chance.

The DHEA has really kicked in since i upped my dosage to 50mg and i have what seems like hundreds of acne bumps all over my forehead and big blistering spots on my chin. I will see how this week goes in terms of when i ovulate then may reduce to 25mg.

im desperately trying to keep positive but im 41 in 2 weeks and im struggling today....does not help that work is piling up!

Briss - i kept meaning to say that i was sorry to read that your deal did not go through Are you still in the UK or Europe?

Malamae - hello darling! I simply cannot imagine BDing for fun anymore which tells me that i have been doing this for far too long. my age really is putting pressure on me...if i was younger i would definitely take a step back from my current self inflicted madness. You sound good and i think you have done the right thing taking a more relaxed approach to it all.....

 

[Blythe]

Briss - ignore my question re travelling - i see you are abroad now. I just checked previous post

 

[Briss]

you are only CD8, it is too early. I hope not. I used to get almost positive for 3-4 days before definitely positive so hopefully this will stretch. May be it's not 'nuan gong yun si wan' messing things up but DHEA? I also have a really big one on my chin but I am not complaining, just recently I had quite a few all over my face so I am just relived there is some improvement

Blythe, I can totally relate and I cant stand birthdays anymore it's just too stressful, from time to time I get this reminders (like people who started TTC later than me are coming back from maternity or getting pregnant with their second child) that I've been TTC for ages and time is running out. I was not 35 when we started TTC, how did it come to this? I am scared to think how old I am going to be when I start TTC N2… If I am lucky and have a child I will have to cut his breastfeeding time short so I could start TTC N2, this is so depressing because I always thought breastfeeding was very important to create a good foundation for strong immune system. I am taking some comfort in thinking that I am doing all I can and if all fails I will go for IVF.

I am disappointed the deal did not go through but deep down to be honest I could not care less, I am abroad on yet another deal that is going to keep me pretty stressed for the next month. that's my life, instead of bringing up a child I do deals… how pointless. on the positive side, I can stay at expensive hotels (without paying) and order room service. Just got myself (nothing exotic) some veg soup but it came with most inviting looking white bread, so I am contemplating whether I should go for it or not

 

[Blythe]

Did you eat the white bread?

 

[shiseru]

Thanks ladies, I shall skip my aerobic tomorrow then, but will go for my yoga on Friday.

Briss, as you just started dieting, you will feel hungry all the time for the first few days but it will get better because your sugar level is down and your appetite becomes smaller! Keep it up! And you can still conceive when breastfeeding! I BF mine for 6 months but ended up BF-ing for almost a year.

MalaMae, what a great relaxing month for you. Hopefully your family issue is not stressing you out. Trying to conceive is an emotional roller coaster with many highs and lows, especially if it doesn't happen right away. I think it's a good idea to just let go a little sometimes!

Blythe, your little acne bumps is likely to be the side effect of taking DHEA? That's a really nice pre-O BBT!

alison29, how are you progressing?

Well the hospital called me yesterday because I told them I had a positive on the CD11 evening though it was showing neg on CD12 morning. I was asked to go back and test my LH surge to confirm and it was 12.5IU/L. (this number is in the middle of nowhere really) but they said it is beginning to surge and I need to go back for a HCG trigger that night followed by IUI the next morning. I had done the IUI today, DH sperm count was perfect with great numbers and motility (didn't report the morph though which was really pathetic at 1% in the previous test report but hey it just takes 1 huh)!

I am surprised my O day is CD13-14 this cycle, looks like Femara works better for older women. The follclie has been growing steadily at 1mm per day. When I was on clomid, I had multiple big follclies between 18mm-24mm on CD10! I dunno but my TCM said not ideal for eggs to grow this big in a short time because usually they are empty?

Here comes the dreadful 2ww... I am gonna keep myself busy and watch a few comedies!

 

[summer2011]

Any of your practitioners use acu laser therapy? I think it's relatively new but there is some evidence that claims it helps with implantation. And for what it's worth... I did 2 sessions this month after my first iui, and what do you know....

 

[Blythe]

Thanks ladies, I shall skip my aerobic tomorrow then, but will go for my yoga on Friday.

Briss, as you just started dieting, you will feel hungry all the time for the first few days but it will get better because your sugar level is down and your appetite becomes smaller! Keep it up! And you can still conceive when breastfeeding! I BF mine for 6 months but ended up BF-ing for almost a year.

MalaMae, what a great relaxing month for you. Hopefully your family issue is not stressing you out. Trying to conceive is an emotional roller coaster with many highs and lows, especially if it doesn't happen right away. I think it's a good idea to just let go a little sometimes!

Blythe, your little acne bumps is likely to be the side effect of taking DHEA? That's a really nice pre-O BBT!

alison29, how are you progressing?

Well the hospital called me yesterday because I told them I had a positive on the CD11 evening though it was showing neg on CD12 morning. I was asked to go back and test my LH surge to confirm and it was 12.5IU/L. (this number is in the middle of nowhere really) but they said it is beginning to surge and I need to go back for a HCG trigger that night followed by IUI the next morning. I had done the IUI today, DH sperm count was perfect with great numbers and motility (didn't report the morph though which was really pathetic at 1% in the previous test report but hey it just takes 1 huh)!

I am surprised my O day is CD13-14 this cycle, looks like Femara works better for older women. The follclie has been growing steadily at 1mm per day. When I was on clomid, I had multiple big follclies between 18mm-24mm on CD10! I dunno but my TCM said not ideal for eggs to grow this big in a short time because usually they are empty?

Here comes the dreadful 2ww... I am gonna keep myself busy and watch a few comedies!

Shiseru - that is interesting about the almost positive you had earlier in week. Last night I got an almost +opk and this morning it has faded slightly. I think I get this a lot....and find myself gearing up for ovulation just after AF has finished then it subsides and comes back around CD 11....as if it wasn't confusing and stressful enough!!

Wonderful news re the sperm I don't mind the beginning if the 2ww....I can dream I'm pregnant....it's the last few days I cannot bear although I have everything crossed this is your month

 

[Briss]

Did you eat the white bread?

I did not eat the white bread today I had proper breakfast and proper lunch but no chocolate and no sugar of any kind (it was really difficult) and today I am 1 kg heavier than yesterday…

 

[alison29]

Shiseru To answer your question real quick before i catchup reading..I am in tww. I dunno if i really nailed this month got one bd in a couple of days before O...prob to late but it is something. I am just keeping on the pregnitude which make me gassy but has to be doing some good. So i am about 7dpo.

I really need to nail the next few months to take advantage of whatever benefits of lap and tube cleaning provided.

I too have been here long enough that a lot of others are in their 2nd pregnancy since i have been here. Its ridiculous and sad, but it's the path I am on for some reason too. I just saw another lady post.

 

[alison29]

Did you eat the white bread?

I did not eat the white bread today I had proper breakfast and proper lunch but no chocolate and no sugar of any kind (it was really difficult) and today I am 1 kg heavier than yesterday…

doesn't that just piss you off. It makes me so mad when i am careful and then GAIN. Last night had inlaws in ate like it was christmas, lol . I thought f it as i spooned cookies in cream ice cream into my mouth (which is double bad because dairy kills me).

 

[alison29]

Sounds really promising shiseru..Femara also gives you a beautiful lining fingers crossed!

 

[Briss]

shiseru, good luck with IUI, fantastic news on the sperm, fingers crossed!

Summer, congratulations!! happy and healthy 9 months. what is laser therapy?

I'm much happier today because I had 3 meals (not over eating and still nothing sweet, no snacking apart from fruit, drank a lot of water) and do not feel hungry but obviously disappointed to see weight gain. still, 5 days off chocolate! I am hoping my hormones will come down without constant sugar rush. unfortunately seems like acne is back

 

[smurfy]

Thanks ladies, I shall skip my aerobic tomorrow then, but will go for my yoga on Friday.

Briss, as you just started dieting, you will feel hungry all the time for the first few days but it will get better because your sugar level is down and your appetite becomes smaller! Keep it up! And you can still conceive when breastfeeding! I BF mine for 6 months but ended up BF-ing for almost a year.

MalaMae, what a great relaxing month for you. Hopefully your family issue is not stressing you out. Trying to conceive is an emotional roller coaster with many highs and lows, especially if it doesn't happen right away. I think it's a good idea to just let go a little sometimes!

Blythe, your little acne bumps is likely to be the side effect of taking DHEA? That's a really nice pre-O BBT!

alison29, how are you progressing?

Well the hospital called me yesterday because I told them I had a positive on the CD11 evening though it was showing neg on CD12 morning. I was asked to go back and test my LH surge to confirm and it was 12.5IU/L. (this number is in the middle of nowhere really) but they said it is beginning to surge and I need to go back for a HCG trigger that night followed by IUI the next morning. I had done the IUI today, DH sperm count was perfect with great numbers and motility (didn't report the morph though which was really pathetic at 1% in the previous test report but hey it just takes 1 huh)!

I am surprised my O day is CD13-14 this cycle, looks like Femara works better for older women. The follclie has been growing steadily at 1mm per day. When I was on clomid, I had multiple big follclies between 18mm-24mm on CD10! I dunno but my TCM said not ideal for eggs to grow this big in a short time because usually they are empty?

Here comes the dreadful 2ww... I am gonna keep myself busy and watch a few comedies!

sounds positive, can i ask how long DH did not have intercourse before his deposit (so to speak) some say 2 days some say more thanks

 

[alison29]

I think the clinic will tell you to have your husband "clean out the old junk" a certain number of days before iui so they don't want a huge number of days abstinence. I am sure Shiseru will post back info.

Briss maybe it is just water weight? I think we do fluctuate depending on the time of day and such with the weight. I have been drinking a ton of water too! Not so great with the sugar though. I have at least been buying bakery fresh whole grain bread. I told my daughter she may not have the white stuff because it is poison...I can just imagine her spouting that off to her friends " you are eating poison my mom says".. I think it will stick in their brains at least.


Yep, i agree the dhea caused my dh to be a hormonal maniac and acne. He does't get that anymore. When i tried using natural progesterone cream I broke out like mad.

 

[shiseru]

smurfy, doctor did not say anything, but previously my DH abstained for 3 days and count was good, so we did the same this round, and it did turn out great too.

Briss yes I suspect it could be water retention. Lessen your intake of salt and salty foods and exercise often to release excess body fluid and increase circulation, also sleep with your feet elevated higher than your heart.

Alison, you are 8-9 DPO? Are you gonna test soon? finger cross for ya!

I had such bad tummy ache last night I thought it was infection from the IUI! I was so bloated the whole of yesterday and cramp during the night. I took some med for cramp and I was fine this morning. FF gave me the CH on day 12, which I think it will change to CD13 when I add in few more temps.

 

[Briss]

Finally I am back, feel totally exhausted after this trip, for some reason could not get any sleep all week, probably time difference affected me. I was not taking any vitamins either just could not bother with all that. FF is still refusing to move my O to CD 13. Day 7 for me – still no chocolate! I just need to lose 7 kg and I will be myself again. and also tone up my legs and arms

 

[Blythe]

I had terrible insomnia prior to finding out I was pregnant. I was also working away from home and did not sleep for a week. Your chart looks good and its longer than usual. Have you had tell take signs AF is on way? Are your boobs sore? Questions questions!!

 

[Briss]

my boobs are not sore, I do have some all too well familiar twinges… my LH looks slightly more optimistic than it should because I think I Oed later that it says. Trying to delegate all my work to juniors and free this weekend, I simply cant go on like this I really need a break

I did eat some honey last night and today but that (together with dry fruit) are the only sweet stuff I let myself have. morning was very hard without any chocolate to cheer me up but overall I am feeling less miserable today. still totally exhausted from the trip. I went for Physio and nearly fell asleep – so relaxing! I would definitely swap acu for physio but it's even more expensive.

Got a letter from Rd Z where I hoped she was going to set out her conclusions and advice but instead it was just a summary of my form – how helpful is this?