Circumcision?

[aliss]

Jennijunni

Men ARE advised to clean under their foreskins everyday!!! And thats in the u.k. Does your dh just leave it alone?? I wouldnt allow a man anywhere near me that did not clean his tackle. That is basic hygeine!

I am not talking about men, but children, that is my fault, I should have been more clear, I apologize. The foreskin is not meant to retract at infancy, or even toddlerhood, but 9 times out of 10, a pediatrician will forceably retract the foreskin, which is not advised. This is done in the US routinely. And I think it is done moreso because of lack of education, and know how TBH. And when those things are done at an early age the chance of a future problem is increased. Oh, and my husband does not own a foreskin, and if he did I of course would want him to clean his tackle often!!! LOL!!

I agree with you when it comes to forcible retraction and its not something that is done in UK and im surprised at it being done in a country as advanced as the US!

Lots of countries have pediatricians that do not keep up with their research and understand these things. My very French MIL thought that I was supposed to retract my boy's foreskin. My very non-American pediatrician advised the same - I'm sure, in the UK, you will find some doctors that advise the same and it has nothing to do with a society being advanced or not but simply whether or not a medical professional has bothered to see if advice has changed in the past 25 years. I can assure you that most of our non-circumcised husbands/fathers/brothers had their foreskins retracted as standard procedure at the time.

 

[Sunshine12]

Well I own my child till he is 18 or out of my house and I will decide what is right until then.. I am great mom and I am confident that getting them ALL circumcised was the right thing for them ...

But why do you feel it was the right thing?

So far all Ive heard from those who are pro circumcision is them saying they are getting it done and its their "right" to decide. No-one has actually given any factual or medical evidence to back up their decision. Those who are anti circumcision have explained why and provided research to show why. Im not saying anyone has to justify their opinion but it would be lovely to know why those people feel that they are doing the right thing by having it done to their children rather than just saying it wont do them any harm, Im having it done, end of.

It was just the right thing for us and you have no right to question my choice nor I do yours. My husband was born in Italy and is NOT circumcised and he wanted his 3 sons circumcised we decided together as responsible parents. I think the last thing my kids would care about on their 18th birthday is being circumcised>>LOL My oldest is 20 and all of his friends are circumcised so to them that is the norm. How dare you question me or anyone else, this is an opinion thread and that is my opinion and my choice for my sons. And if God ever gives me another child and it is a boy he also will be circumcised, I would never question you as a parent or say you don't care about your child cause your choice is different than mine. so shame on you..
Now I am done with this thread.. have a great day

I was not questioning your decision, merely interested in the decision making process and if you took the time to read my post correctly before going off on your defensive and childish rant you would see that I very clearly said "Im not saying anyone has to justify their opinion". I was merely asking where the justification was from a medical point of view which you have chosen to ignore presumably because there isnt one nor do you feel that there needs to be. You are clearly unable to have a mature debate about matters which are bound to attract differing opinions but instead take this as an attack on your parenting skills rather than realising the question was posed by someone who is genuinely interested in finding out what makes someone decide that they are going to have this procedure carried out on their child.

 

[Andypanda6570]

Well I own my child till he is 18 or out of my house and I will decide what is right until then.. I am great mom and I am confident that getting them ALL circumcised was the right thing for them ...

But why do you feel it was the right thing?

So far all Ive heard from those who are pro circumcision is them saying they are getting it done and its their "right" to decide. No-one has actually given any factual or medical evidence to back up their decision. Those who are anti circumcision have explained why and provided research to show why. Im not saying anyone has to justify their opinion but it would be lovely to know why those people feel that they are doing the right thing by having it done to their children rather than just saying it wont do them any harm, Im having it done, end of.

It was just the right thing for us and you have no right to question my choice nor I do yours. My husband was born in Italy and is NOT circumcised and he wanted his 3 sons circumcised we decided together as responsible parents. I think the last thing my kids would care about on their 18th birthday is being circumcised>>LOL My oldest is 20 and all of his friends are circumcised so to them that is the norm. How dare you question me or anyone else, this is an opinion thread and that is my opinion and my choice for my sons. And if God ever gives me another child and it is a boy he also will be circumcised, I would never question you as a parent or say you don't care about your child cause your choice is different than mine. so shame on you..
Now I am done with this thread.. have a great day

I was not questioning your decision and if you took the time to read my post correctly before going off on your defensive and childish rant you would see that I very clearly said "Im not saying anyone has to justify their opinion". I was merely asking where the justification was from a medical point of view which you have chosen to ignore presumably because there isnt one nor do you feel that there needs to be. You are clearly unable to have a mature debate about matters which are bound to attract differing opinions but take this as an attack on your parenting skills rather than realising the question was posed by someone who is genuinely interesting in finding out what makes someone decide that they are going to have this procedure carried out.

I am not a child and it was not a rant. You say the same thing over and over and over I nor anyone else has to tell you or explain to you why we choose to do it. we just did it and that is enough. Have a wonderful day...

 

[Andypanda6570]

I also think I am a little bit touchy today. I think I did overreact and I do apologize. I am not myself today for some reason. Sorry I got upset..

 

[Sunshine12]

I also think I am a little bit touchy today. I think I did overreact and I do apologize. I am not myself today for some reason. Sorry I got upset..

Thats ok dont worry. I genuinely wasnt having a go at you or anyone else. Im just a genuinely inquisitive person and always keen to find out about stuff and like hearing (and respect) other peoples take on things and other peoples opinions etc. That was all. I didnt mean to offend you. Definately was never my intention.

 

[Andypanda6570]

I also think I am a little bit touchy today. I think I did overreact and I do apologize. I am not myself today for some reason. Sorry I got upset..

Thats ok dont worry. I genuinely wasnt having a go at you or anyone else. Im just a genuinely inquisitive person and always keen to find out about stuff and like hearing (and respect) other peoples take on things and other peoples opinions etc. That was all. I didnt mean to offend you. Definately was never my intention.

No I know it is me not you..I am so sorry, i just am not myself, i am not a nasty person I really am not. I am sorry I was so nasty and I know you didn't mean to offend.. Thank you for accepting my apology uxoxo

 

[Sealgirl]

oh and the video you posted... the man presenting it said that in Scotland this surgery is not carried out...this is so not true so it would make me doubt his accuracy in other areas

Scotland subscribes to the NHS,the same way as every other part of the UK. It is not performed here, unless you pay for the procedure privately. I know I am just one person in Scotland, but I personally have not heard of or know of anyone who is circumcised.

"NHS availability
The NHS does not fund routine circumcision or circumcision that is carried out for religious reasons.

The NHS only funds circumcision that is used treat a small number of medical conditions. In such cases, circumcision is usually regarded as a ‘treatment of last resort’ when all other treatment options have failed."

Quote from NHS Website.

This is FACTUALLY incorrect

i know many people who have had it performed on the NHS here for religious reasons. heres the proof

https://www.refhelp.scot.nhs.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=537&Itemid=227

Sorry you think that, but I quoted direct from the NHS website. Don't think really what the NHS says on the NHS website about the NHS could be called factually incorrect. x

 

[jennijunni]

Well I own my child till he is 18 or out of my house and I will decide what is right until then.. I am great mom and I am confident that getting them ALL circumcised was the right thing for them ...

But why do you feel it was the right thing?

So far all Ive heard from those who are pro circumcision is them saying they are getting it done and its their "right" to decide. No-one has actually given any factual or medical evidence to back up their decision. Those who are anti circumcision have explained why and provided research to show why. Im not saying anyone has to justify their opinion but it would be lovely to know why those people feel that they are doing the right thing by having it done to their children rather than just saying it wont do them any harm, Im having it done, end of.

It was just the right thing for us and you have no right to question my choice nor I do yours. My husband was born in Italy and is NOT circumcised and he wanted his 3 sons circumcised we decided together as responsible parents. I think the last thing my kids would care about on their 18th birthday is being circumcised>>LOL My oldest is 20 and all of his friends are circumcised so to them that is the norm. How dare you question me or anyone else, this is an opinion thread and that is my opinion and my choice for my sons. And if God ever gives me another child and it is a boy he also will be circumcised, I would never question you as a parent or say you don't care about your child cause your choice is different than mine. so shame on you..
Now I am done with this thread.. have a great day

In defense of this sweet mama. Her children are much older, a lot of posters do not have older children. When my 9 yo DS was born it was the norm, everyone (or else it seemed) had their DS's circed. This poster has DS's that were born during that time or before, and it was the norm. You very rarely saw baby boys who were not circed. So we made the decision then, to do something that for that time was correct to us. I do regret it, and wish I had never done it, but the past is done, and I cannot change it, but I can educate, and change my views and stance on these issues. Everyone is entitled to their own beleifs, and decisions, but I would love to see more educated thought going into the decision of whether you are going to chop off a body part. I see a lot of well, "my DH is circed, so we will circ our boys" or "you will get HIV if you are not circed" to absolutely silly responses like "it looks gross." I only wish more people would look at the facts. Oh, and I love this mama, so hugs to you Andypanda!!!

 

[dreamqueen]

oh and the video you posted... the man presenting it said that in Scotland this surgery is not carried out...this is so not true so it would make me doubt his accuracy in other areas

Scotland subscribes to the NHS,the same way as every other part of the UK. It is not performed here, unless you pay for the procedure privately. I know I am just one person in Scotland, but I personally have not heard of or know of anyone who is circumcised.

"NHS availability
The NHS does not fund routine circumcision or circumcision that is carried out for religious reasons.

The NHS only funds circumcision that is used treat a small number of medical conditions. In such cases, circumcision is usually regarded as a ‘treatment of last resort’ when all other treatment options have failed."

Quote from NHS Website.

This is FACTUALLY incorrect

i know many people who have had it performed on the NHS here for religious reasons. heres the proof

https://www.refhelp.scot.nhs.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=537&Itemid=227

Sorry you think that, but I quoted direct from the NHS website. Don't think really what the NHS says on the NHS website about the NHS could be called factually incorrect. x

the part i have highlighted is what i was referring to being factually incorrect

 

[Sealgirl]

I know you highlighted that bit, but I was just reiterating what the website says. It actually says it does not routinely fund circumcision for religious reasons. So in the vast majoirty of cases, it would have to be a privately paid for procedure.

Uch well, we're both from Scotland, I know of no-one who has had it done, but you do, so obviously it is carried out! However, I was just observing that out of the mainly uncircumcised population of Scottish, uk, European penises, there is really no problems that arise from this, as other people have stated. xx

 

[dreamqueen]

Hey Sealgirl... what you stated is true of NHS, just not in Scotland..here it can be done on religious grounds, ONLY under general anastheatic and only when the child is considered old enough for the procedure... between 6-9 months...never any younger.
My brother has had issues and had to have his foreskin removed.... i cant remember the name of the condition but it is more common than you may think, the foreskin becomes so tight and practically strangles the penis Its not a reason i would consider routine circumcision for though but just thought i would point out that these problems do exist... its just not the type of thing you hear about

 

[Dragonfly]

I wouldnt dream of doing that to my boys its just not done here.

 

[Andypanda6570]

Well I own my child till he is 18 or out of my house and I will decide what is right until then.. I am great mom and I am confident that getting them ALL circumcised was the right thing for them ...

But why do you feel it was the right thing?

So far all Ive heard from those who are pro circumcision is them saying they are getting it done and its their "right" to decide. No-one has actually given any factual or medical evidence to back up their decision. Those who are anti circumcision have explained why and provided research to show why. Im not saying anyone has to justify their opinion but it would be lovely to know why those people feel that they are doing the right thing by having it done to their children rather than just saying it wont do them any harm, Im having it done, end of.

It was just the right thing for us and you have no right to question my choice nor I do yours. My husband was born in Italy and is NOT circumcised and he wanted his 3 sons circumcised we decided together as responsible parents. I think the last thing my kids would care about on their 18th birthday is being circumcised>>LOL My oldest is 20 and all of his friends are circumcised so to them that is the norm. How dare you question me or anyone else, this is an opinion thread and that is my opinion and my choice for my sons. And if God ever gives me another child and it is a boy he also will be circumcised, I would never question you as a parent or say you don't care about your child cause your choice is different than mine. so shame on you..
Now I am done with this thread.. have a great day

In defense of this sweet mama. Her children are much older, a lot of posters do not have older children. When my 9 yo DS was born it was the norm, everyone (or else it seemed) had their DS's circed. This poster has DS's that were born during that time or before, and it was the norm. You very rarely saw baby boys who were not circed. So we made the decision then, to do something that for that time was correct to us. I do regret it, and wish I had never done it, but the past is done, and I cannot change it, but I can educate, and change my views and stance on these issues. Everyone is entitled to their own beleifs, and decisions, but I would love to see more educated thought going into the decision of whether you are going to chop off a body part. I see a lot of well, "my DH is circed, so we will circ our boys" or "you will get HIV if you are not circed" to absolutely silly responses like "it looks gross." I only wish more people would look at the facts. Oh, and I love this mama, so hugs to you Andypanda!!!

Thank You xoxox

 

[libbylou]

I was talking to DH about this last night and asked his opinion.
He automatically answered "circumcision is cleaner". He had ZERO research or facts to back up his thought, he just assumed and had never questioned because all the boys in his family were done.
His aunt and uncle almost were unable to have their two boys done because no doctor in town would do it, because in Canada doctors do not recommend routine circumcision and fewer and fewer doctors will actually perform one.

I don't agree and will be showing him some research and hope he comes around, because there is no way I will allow this to happen to my child unless it becomes medically necessary.

I've looked up a few studies so far and yes I agree there are some issues that can be more common with having a foreskin vs. not having a foreskin...but these issues are not commonplace and are generally mild infections that can be treated topically. Also the percentage rate difference of most of these issues happening with an uncircumcized penis vs a circumcized penis is very small.
On the other side of the fence, there are other issues that are more common with a circumcized penis than with an uncircumsized penis.

As parents it is our responsibility to make informed and educated decisions about our children, we cannot just accept that "this is how it's done".
I've done my research and I do not believe it is a necessary procedure unless it becomes medically necessary. It is a procedure that is usually done only for religious reasons and for cosmetic/social reasons.
God gave my child a foreskin and I intend for him to keep it.

 

[stickylizard]

I think the majority of uncircumsised males don't have a problem. My family are full of boys and only one of them has had to be circumcisied due to medical reasons. NONE of the others have had a problem, whilst training to be a children's nurse I have never seen a child being circumcisied due to complications. A small minority have problems with the appendix and that is life threatening if not treated but we don't whip those out at birth do we? Why? Because it isn't seen as medically nessicary, and medical professionals don't think that it would be beneficial . If the risks of being uncircumcisied were that high the NHS would offer it as it would improve the health of babies and it would prevent problems later in life. But this isn't the case and it isn't seen as a nessicary surgical procedure because the benefits are minimal x eta. Sorry for typos I'm on my phone x tu

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this was exactly the point i was gonna make - some women are born with longer labia than others, and later in life it can be uncomfortable and cause a problem, so they have surgery. we all ARE born with an appendix and it may cause us problems later in life, then we have surgery.

can anyone name any part of the human anatomy that at one point or another, or any baby, child, man or woman, may not cause a problem and have to be operated on or removed? Tonsils? Even major organs? I guess that is slightly different as we cant live without organs like we can without tonsils and foreskins. But my point is, if we were to err on the side of caution on everything, babies would have 5 or 6 ops which many never ever have been necessary.

I believe we were born with these things for a reason. We no longer need our appendix, and in time we will evolve to not have them I am sure. If boys are not meant to have foreskins, we would evolve to not have them. If we believe that that is the case and they are unnecessary, it still isn't our choice to be so arrogant to suggest we know best and try to do the job before evolution can get there. It's like messing with nature's plan.

I'm sorry if that sounds overly hippy or philosophical but I'm just trying to put a different view on things. Babies don't have a choice and sometimes BEING circumsized can cause problems later, like during sex which is nature's process as well.

If your son develops a problem, it is not due to "not being circumsized", it just happens unfortunately, and circumsizion may be the only solution. When we get tonsillitis, we don't think it is because we never had our tonsils removed. But that just may be necessary. You can't take a solution to a problem, and make that the reason why the problem happens if you don't pre empt and go ahead with the solution before there IS a problem.

That looks a bit scrambled I hope it makes sense!

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

I think the majority of uncircumsised males don't have a problem. My family are full of boys and only one of them has had to be circumcisied due to medical reasons. NONE of the others have had a problem, whilst training to be a children's nurse I have never seen a child being circumcisied due to complications. A small minority have problems with the appendix and that is life threatening if not treated but we don't whip those out at birth do we? Why? Because it isn't seen as medically nessicary, and medical professionals don't think that it would be beneficial . If the risks of being uncircumcisied were that high the NHS would offer it as it would improve the health of babies and it would prevent problems later in life. But this isn't the case and it isn't seen as a nessicary surgical procedure because the benefits are minimal x eta. Sorry for typos I'm on my phone x tu

y

this was exactly the point i was gonna make - some women are born with longer labia than others, and later in life it can be uncomfortable and cause a problem, so they have surgery. we all ARE born with an appendix and it may cause us problems later in life, then we have surgery.

can anyone name any part of the human anatomy that at one point or another, or any baby, child, man or woman, may not cause a problem and have to be operated on or removed? Tonsils? Even major organs? I guess that is slightly different as we cant live without organs like we can without tonsils and foreskins. But my point is, if we were to err on the side of caution on everything, babies would have 5 or 6 ops which many never ever have been necessary.

I believe we were born with these things for a reason. We no longer need our appendix, and in time we will evolve to not have them I am sure. If boys are not meant to have foreskins, we would evolve to not have them. If we believe that that is the case and they are unnecessary, it still isn't our choice to be so arrogant to suggest we know best and try to do the job before evolution can get there. It's like messing with nature's plan.

I'm sorry if that sounds overly hippy or philosophical but I'm just trying to put a different view on things. Babies don't have a choice and sometimes BEING circumsized can cause problems later, like during sex which is nature's process as well.

If your son develops a problem, it is not due to "not being circumsized", it just happens unfortunately, and circumsizion may be the only solution. When we get tonsillitis, we don't think it is because we never had our tonsils removed. But that just may be necessary. You can't take a solution to a problem, and make that the reason why the problem happens if you don't pre empt and go ahead with the solution before there IS a problem.

That looks a bit scrambled I hope it makes sense!

Perfectly put x

 

[Aneesa_09]

My son is circumcised - due to religious beliefs and my hubby is too - if I have another boy he shall be circumcised too

 

[RoseyCheeks]

I have two sons, when my eldest was a toddler we noticed his skin wouldnt go back properly but were told it could 'rectify' itself as he got older unfortunately it didnt it became so bad that the skin no longer pulled back to show the surface and he was peeing thru a pin sized hole! I ended up begging tge doctors to operate as he would often pee himself and cry in pain. Anyway at age 7 they operated and after told me that it would never have been possible to keep the skin there as it was fused to the top half of his willy! Poor thing was laid up in bed for a week unable to move. Now my youngest who is 5 has very tight skin im hoping he doesnt have to have it done :-/ personally i wouldnt do it outta choice. Only for medical reasons.

 

[cissyhope]

I think the majority of uncircumsised males don't have a problem. My family are full of boys and only one of them has had to be circumcisied due to medical reasons. NONE of the others have had a problem, whilst training to be a children's nurse I have never seen a child being circumcisied due to complications. A small minority have problems with the appendix and that is life threatening if not treated but we don't whip those out at birth do we? Why? Because it isn't seen as medically nessicary, and medical professionals don't think that it would be beneficial . If the risks of being uncircumcisied were that high the NHS would offer it as it would improve the health of babies and it would prevent problems later in life. But this isn't the case and it isn't seen as a nessicary surgical procedure because the benefits are minimal x eta. Sorry for typos I'm on my phone x tu

y

this was exactly the point i was gonna make - some women are born with longer labia than others, and later in life it can be uncomfortable and cause a problem, so they have surgery. we all ARE born with an appendix and it may cause us problems later in life, then we have surgery.

can anyone name any part of the human anatomy that at one point or another, or any baby, child, man or woman, may not cause a problem and have to be operated on or removed? Tonsils? Even major organs? I guess that is slightly different as we cant live without organs like we can without tonsils and foreskins. But my point is, if we were to err on the side of caution on everything, babies would have 5 or 6 ops which many never ever have been necessary.

I believe we were born with these things for a reason. We no longer need our appendix, and in time we will evolve to not have them I am sure. If boys are not meant to have foreskins, we would evolve to not have them. If we believe that that is the case and they are unnecessary, it still isn't our choice to be so arrogant to suggest we know best and try to do the job before evolution can get there. It's like messing with nature's plan.

I'm sorry if that sounds overly hippy or philosophical but I'm just trying to put a different view on things. Babies don't have a choice and sometimes BEING circumsized can cause problems later, like during sex which is nature's process as well.

If your son develops a problem, it is not due to "not being circumsized", it just happens unfortunately, and circumsizion may be the only solution. When we get tonsillitis, we don't think it is because we never had our tonsils removed. But that just may be necessary. You can't take a solution to a problem, and make that the reason why the problem happens if you don't pre empt and go ahead with the solution before there IS a problem.

That looks a bit scrambled I hope it makes sense!

Perfect! i agree with you wholeheartedly x

 

[rwhite]

I think the majority of uncircumsised males don't have a problem. My family are full of boys and only one of them has had to be circumcisied due to medical reasons. NONE of the others have had a problem, whilst training to be a children's nurse I have never seen a child being circumcisied due to complications. A small minority have problems with the appendix and that is life threatening if not treated but we don't whip those out at birth do we? Why? Because it isn't seen as medically nessicary, and medical professionals don't think that it would be beneficial . If the risks of being uncircumcisied were that high the NHS would offer it as it would improve the health of babies and it would prevent problems later in life. But this isn't the case and it isn't seen as a nessicary surgical procedure because the benefits are minimal x eta. Sorry for typos I'm on my phone x tu

y

this was exactly the point i was gonna make - some women are born with longer labia than others, and later in life it can be uncomfortable and cause a problem, so they have surgery. we all ARE born with an appendix and it may cause us problems later in life, then we have surgery.

can anyone name any part of the human anatomy that at one point or another, or any baby, child, man or woman, may not cause a problem and have to be operated on or removed? Tonsils? Even major organs? I guess that is slightly different as we cant live without organs like we can without tonsils and foreskins. But my point is, if we were to err on the side of caution on everything, babies would have 5 or 6 ops which many never ever have been necessary.

I believe we were born with these things for a reason. We no longer need our appendix, and in time we will evolve to not have them I am sure. If boys are not meant to have foreskins, we would evolve to not have them. If we believe that that is the case and they are unnecessary, it still isn't our choice to be so arrogant to suggest we know best and try to do the job before evolution can get there. It's like messing with nature's plan.

I'm sorry if that sounds overly hippy or philosophical but I'm just trying to put a different view on things. Babies don't have a choice and sometimes BEING circumsized can cause problems later, like during sex which is nature's process as well.

If your son develops a problem, it is not due to "not being circumsized", it just happens unfortunately, and circumsizion may be the only solution. When we get tonsillitis, we don't think it is because we never had our tonsils removed. But that just may be necessary. You can't take a solution to a problem, and make that the reason why the problem happens if you don't pre empt and go ahead with the solution before there IS a problem.

That looks a bit scrambled I hope it makes sense!

You put that SO well, thank you