Circumcision?

[Sealgirl]

oh and the video you posted... the man presenting it said that in Scotland this surgery is not carried out...this is so not true so it would make me doubt his accuracy in other areas

Scotland subscribes to the NHS,the same way as every other part of the UK. It is not performed here, unless you pay for the procedure privately. I know I am just one person in Scotland, but I personally have not heard of or know of anyone who is circumcised.

"NHS availability
The NHS does not fund routine circumcision or circumcision that is carried out for religious reasons.

The NHS only funds circumcision that is used treat a small number of medical conditions. In such cases, circumcision is usually regarded as a ‘treatment of last resort’ when all other treatment options have failed."

Quote from NHS Website.

 

[Sunshine12]

oh and the video you posted... the man presenting it said that in Scotland this surgery is not carried out...this is so not true so it would make me doubt his accuracy in other areas

Scotland subscribes to the NHS,the same way as every other part of the UK. It is not performed here, unless you pay for the procedure privately. I know I am just one person in Scotland, but I personally have not heard of or know of anyone who is circumcised.

"NHS availability
The NHS does not fund routine circumcision or circumcision that is carried out for religious reasons.

The NHS only funds circumcision that is used treat a small number of medical conditions. In such cases, circumcision is usually regarded as a ‘treatment of last resort’ when all other treatment options have failed."

Quote from NHS Website.

I dont know anyone here that is either although I used to go out with a guy in England that had it done and he hated it and resented his parents for having it done to him. He also said that he didnt get as much sensation down there when masturbating or having sex as his mates suggested they did (he was only 18 at the time so presumably boys talk at that age!)

 

[stickylizard]

I respect your opinion here so not arguing but I do have to say you are mistaken. Babies and children to not comprehend pain the same way adults do. It's a protection mechanism. Imagine if as an adult you fell down several times a day, it would hurt for awhile right? When a toddler falls frequently it doesn't hurt the same, they are built that way lol.

As a student nurse I have been with a baby whist they are being circumsized and they do cry it can also be very painful to pass urine and I have seen babies cry when they do wee. The health benefits are minimal and the foreskin is there to protect the penis. I saw someone say earlier in the thread they wouldn't want an adult male to have the pain and remember it. So if it is painful for and adult then imagine how painful it must be for a baby? The pain receptors are still there and pain is often magnified for babies and children. As adults tend to have higher pain thresh holds. Also a unessicary surgical procedure I feel should be the childs descion and I do not understand why parents feel they can choose to have a body part removed purely because they want to look like daddy etc . X eta: sorry for spelling and grammar on my phone x

Okay, for being a nurse, I wonder where you get your information. Toddlers dont feel as much pain when they fall because they are 2 feet high, and weigh 25#. Their tendons are looser, their bones have not fused, and are still "free" floating. A grown adult weighs roughly 130# is 5'5" and their bones are solid, fixed, and their tendons do not give. Of course it hurts more. It has nothing to do with their pain receptors, or the way they process it, it is physics, plain and simple. Babies, and children do feel more pain and feel it more acutely than adults do. And just because a baby does not cry a ton does not mean they are okay, sometimes it is just too much for them and they shut down.

The reason children often aren't hurt after a fall is because when they start to lose balance they don't realise in time and tense up in fear like we adults do. When an adult falls out of bed whilst asleep it doesn't hurt. When the body (ANY age body) is relaxed, impact doesn't hurt as much. That and what was said about a toddler being so small and light. My father works in physio and Alexander Technique and that's my source of information. However, just starting to slice off part of a child's body is NOT the same as a surprise fall xx

 

[princessellie]

I think people really need to learn to respect other peoples decisions tbh. Saying things like its barbaric etc is just going to get people's backs up...

I don't see anything wrong with it, I've grown up with it and everyone in my family has been done. Not as babies, apart from my youngest brother who was born with something wrong with his so he had to be done straight away. Paul had his done at 18, under anesthethic and was given painkillers for it. I wouldn't like it done being awake just for the pain but people who are against it, I think you have to just accept that it happens and will continue to happen and move on...if you dont like it, dont do it your baby and if you do agree with it then do it...

threads like this always cause arguments and end up being locked, i dont see the point anymore, theres too much controversy...

 

[Sunshine12]

I think people really need to learn to respect other peoples decisions tbh. Saying things like its barbaric etc is just going to get people's backs up...

I don't see anything wrong with it, I've grown up with it and everyone in my family has been done. Not as babies, apart from my youngest brother who was born with something wrong with his so he had to be done straight away. Paul had his done at 18, under anesthethic and was given painkillers for it. I wouldn't like it done being awake just for the pain but people who are against it, I think you have to just accept that it happens and will continue to happen and move on...if you dont like it, dont do it your baby and if you do agree with it then do it...

threads like this always cause arguments and end up being locked, i dont see the point anymore, theres too much controversy...

I think its good to hear other peoples opinions to get a better understanding of why they feel that chopping off part of a tiny babys penis is OK. So far I havent read anything that justifies it whatsoever and can only imagine its merely because thats what their parents/grandparents etc did so they think its acceptable. Similarly those who are opposed to it have probably come from a society where it is not acceptable. I dont think there is anything wrong with debating about stuff on a forum. Makes it a bit more interesting.

 

[princessellie]

I totally agree, its ok to debate but some of the things ive seen on this thread have not been debating, theyve been plain rude and uncalled for! xx

 

[Sunshine12]

I totally agree, its ok to debate but some of the things ive seen on this thread have not been debating, theyve been plain rude and uncalled for! xx

I suppose its how you interpret things. For example I personally think that circumcision is mutilation. Mutilation of a tiny baby that has no say whatsoever in the matter and I personally think it should be banned. That is not me being rude although someone who disagrees with me may take is as such. If someone has been personal or attacked someone individually then I would definately class that as rude but not if its just voicing opinions that others dont agree with.

 

[princessellie]

Well I cant comment on that since I definitely wont be circumcising my son as a baby, he'll be done around age 6 like everyone else in my family (except my youngest brother), with painkillers, I definitely wouldn't get it done as a baby unless necessary but like I said, each to their own x

 

[Andypanda6570]

All three of my boys were circumcised and they are now 20,17 and 11 and just fine, no problems at all ever . it was the right choice for me and I have no regrets .. And I could care less who agrees or not. All I know as a person I would never tell someone what is right for their child and what is wrong, i would only say we differ on our opinions and let it be.. But thats me..
Hugs To All

 

[3buutifulgirl]

We have discussed this recently with several friends who are having boys and I think I have decided to get this done if I have a boy for several reasons: My best friend had her oldest son done and her youngest was not done, well the youngest just had to have it done because of a blockage due to not being circumcised He was in a whole lot of pain and no 3 year old should have to go through that...My cousin who is a medical assistant for a urologist see's many men having problems because of not being circumcised and so she is getting her son done when he is born...My sister did not have her son's done and now at the age of 1 1/2 he had to have surgery 2 times down there because of not being circumcised....

Just because you don't hear of these problems happening where you are from does not mean they don't happen. I would not have known about my friends son's problems unless I asked her what I should do if I had a boy and then she told me...It is not like people go around saying yeah my son is having problems with his penis <-----Kinda a personal thing, I know I wouldn't tell anyone about it!!!

 

[jennijunni]

We have discussed this recently with several friends who are having boys and I think I have decided to get this done if I have a boy for several reasons: My best friend had her oldest son done and her youngest was not done, well the youngest just had to have it done because of a blockage due to not being circumcised He was in a whole lot of pain and no 3 year old should have to go through that...My cousin who is a medical assistant for a urologist see's many men having problems because of not being circumcised and so she is getting her son done when he is born...My sister did not have her son's done and now at the age of 1 1/2 he had to have surgery 2 times down there because of not being circumcised....

Just because you don't hear of these problems happening where you are from does not mean they don't happen. I would not have known about my friends son's problems unless I asked her what I should do if I had a boy and then she told me...It is not like people go around saying yeah my son is having problems with his penis <-----Kinda a personal thing, I know I wouldn't tell anyone about it!!!

but the thing is these problems tend to only happen the US. Besides a defect needing medical intervention, I see no ther problems. The reason boys in the US have problems is simply because parents and doctors dont know how to take care of them. They force retraction of the foreskin which causes problems and infections. They just need to be left alone. These problems are US problems.

 

[3buutifulgirl]

We have discussed this recently with several friends who are having boys and I think I have decided to get this done if I have a boy for several reasons: My best friend had her oldest son done and her youngest was not done, well the youngest just had to have it done because of a blockage due to not being circumcised He was in a whole lot of pain and no 3 year old should have to go through that...My cousin who is a medical assistant for a urologist see's many men having problems because of not being circumcised and so she is getting her son done when he is born...My sister did not have her son's done and now at the age of 1 1/2 he had to have surgery 2 times down there because of not being circumcised....

Just because you don't hear of these problems happening where you are from does not mean they don't happen. I would not have known about my friends son's problems unless I asked her what I should do if I had a boy and then she told me...It is not like people go around saying yeah my son is having problems with his penis <-----Kinda a personal thing, I know I wouldn't tell anyone about it!!!

but the thing is these problems tend to only happen the US. Besides a defect needing medical intervention, I see no ther problems. The reason boys in the US have problems is simply because parents and doctors dont know how to take care of them. They force retraction of the foreskin which causes problems and infections. They just need to be left alone. These problems are US problems.

You blaming parents and doctors is just wrong...My best friends cleaned both of her sons very well and the US has some of the best medical care in the world I think our doctors know what they are doing...We are not lazy and clean ourselves and our kids very well...I think these problems exist every where Like I said you just don't hear about it because it is a personal thing and we don't go around talking about problems with our privates.


I really don't think you should go around saying things like this to people from other parts of the country. It doesn't sit well with some people. Even if you live in the US...You don't have the right to blame the parents or doctors!!!

 

[Sunshine12]

We have discussed this recently with several friends who are having boys and I think I have decided to get this done if I have a boy for several reasons: My best friend had her oldest son done and her youngest was not done, well the youngest just had to have it done because of a blockage due to not being circumcised He was in a whole lot of pain and no 3 year old should have to go through that...My cousin who is a medical assistant for a urologist see's many men having problems because of not being circumcised and so she is getting her son done when he is born...My sister did not have her son's done and now at the age of 1 1/2 he had to have surgery 2 times down there because of not being circumcised....

Just because you don't hear of these problems happening where you are from does not mean they don't happen. I would not have known about my friends son's problems unless I asked her what I should do if I had a boy and then she told me...It is not like people go around saying yeah my son is having problems with his penis <-----Kinda a personal thing, I know I wouldn't tell anyone about it!!!

but the thing is these problems tend to only happen the US. Besides a defect needing medical intervention, I see no ther problems. The reason boys in the US have problems is simply because parents and doctors dont know how to take care of them. They force retraction of the foreskin which causes problems and infections. They just need to be left alone. These problems are US problems.

You blaming parents and doctors is just wrong...My best friends cleaned both of her sons very well and the US has some of the best medical care in the world I think our doctors know what they are doing...We are not lazy and clean ourselves and our kids very well...I think these problems exist every where Like I said you just don't hear about it because it is a personal thing and we don't go around talking about problems with our privates.


I really don't think you should go around saying things like this to people from other parts of the country. It doesn't sit well with some people. Even if you live in the US...You don't have the right to blame the parents or doctors!!!

It would be good to know what percentage of problems occur in circumcised boys and the same with non circumcised so that it could at least be justified. Without these facts I see no reason for it other than it just being a geographical thing otherwise what do you base your decision on? Surely you cant base it on one friend who's son had a problem? I think the UK medical profession is also exceptionally good so dont understand how doctors here dont think its necessary and wont do it yet some doctors in the US do.

 

[Andypanda6570]

We have discussed this recently with several friends who are having boys and I think I have decided to get this done if I have a boy for several reasons: My best friend had her oldest son done and her youngest was not done, well the youngest just had to have it done because of a blockage due to not being circumcised He was in a whole lot of pain and no 3 year old should have to go through that...My cousin who is a medical assistant for a urologist see's many men having problems because of not being circumcised and so she is getting her son done when he is born...My sister did not have her son's done and now at the age of 1 1/2 he had to have surgery 2 times down there because of not being circumcised....

Just because you don't hear of these problems happening where you are from does not mean they don't happen. I would not have known about my friends son's problems unless I asked her what I should do if I had a boy and then she told me...It is not like people go around saying yeah my son is having problems with his penis <-----Kinda a personal thing, I know I wouldn't tell anyone about it!!!

but the thing is these problems tend to only happen the US. Besides a defect needing medical intervention, I see no ther problems. The reason boys in the US have problems is simply because parents and doctors dont know how to take care of them. They force retraction of the foreskin which causes problems and infections. They just need to be left alone. These problems are US problems.

You blaming parents and doctors is just wrong...My best friends cleaned both of her sons very well and the US has some of the best medical care in the world I think our doctors know what they are doing...We are not lazy and clean ourselves and our kids very well...I think these problems exist every where Like I said you just don't hear about it because it is a personal thing and we don't go around talking about problems with our privates.


I really don't think you should go around saying things like this to people from other parts of the country. It doesn't sit well with some people. Even if you live in the US...You don't have the right to blame the parents or doctors!!!

it is one thing to have an opinion it is another to be right down rude and insulting. LOL< my boys are 20,17 aND 11 AND HAVE NEVER HAD ONE PROBLEM. It is great to have an opinion and express it, but I agree with you it is not nice to pick apart a parents choice for their child, that is where the dialogue stops for me, I came to this thread to give an opinion not a lecture of how much of a bad parent I am..People need to grow up ...

 

[Meredith2010]

I think people really need to learn to respect other peoples decisions tbh. Saying things like its barbaric etc is just going to get people's backs up...

I don't see anything wrong with it, I've grown up with it and everyone in my family has been done. Not as babies, apart from my youngest brother who was born with something wrong with his so he had to be done straight away. Paul had his done at 18, under anesthethic and was given painkillers for it. I wouldn't like it done being awake just for the pain but people who are against it, I think you have to just accept that it happens and will continue to happen and move on...if you dont like it, dont do it your baby and if you do agree with it then do it...

Exactly - you have said yourself that you don't see anything wrong with it as you have grown up with it and everyone in your family has had it done. That is precisely WHY we need to question it and not just accept it, so that people realise that there is a CHOICE to be made once the true facts are out there.

That is also why the rates of circumcision are dropping, as people are questioning the practice and realising that it is arguably unnecessary.

The world would be a much scarier place if everyone just "accepts that things happen" and didn't question controversial topics. Knowledge and awareness is a wonderful thing and suggesting that people just "accept things and move on" when it comes to something that could be seen as child mutiliation is rather concerning. In my respectful opinion of course.

 

[jay004]

If I were to have a boy, I will indeed circumcise him.

If I can decrease the chances of him developing any type of medical infection or disease, then I will do so.

It may not be necessary, but in my opinion the pros outweigh the cons.

 

[Sunshine12]

I found this very enlightning. Basically suggests that circumcision is a deep rooted cultural choice, not one based on factual medical evidence. I would be keen to know how much investigation has been made by those that are for circumcision or whether the decision was based on the fact that its something that has always been done in their families through the generations.

https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/menshealth/facts/circumcision.htm

 

[AngelUK]

The strength of the opinion of the advocates for circumcision has sent me to do some research online too. Circumcision has never been done in my family or indeed in the majority of European males it would seem. So I wanted to find out what the benefits could be. But there do not seem to be any proven medical benefits and no medical practitioner, not even the ones in the US say there is. I was horrified to read that lil boys mostly do not get an anaesthetic or if they do only such a diluted one that it is not very effective and wears of very quickly. One article even suggests that the procedure would be more painful for a little baby than for an adult cause until puberty the foreskin is still partly fused to the glans and needs to be sort of forcibly detached!
I have had an circ'ed US boyfriend and yeah maybe he looked slightly better than European uncirc'ed men but do you know, while I am all for penises, their main attraction really is not the way they look, is it?

 

[Sunshine12]

The strength of the opinion of the advocates for circumcision has sent me to do some research online too. Circumcision has never been done in my family or indeed in the majority of European males it would seem. So I wanted to find out what the benefits could be. But there do not seem to be any proven medical benefits and no medical practitioner, not even the ones in the US say there is. I was horrified to read that lil boys mostly do not get an anaesthetic or if they do only such a diluted one that it is not very effective and wears of very quickly. One article even suggests that the procedure would be more painful for a little baby than for an adult cause until puberty the foreskin is still partly fused to the glans and needs to sort of forcibly detached!
I have had an circ'ed US boyfriend and yeah maybe he looked slightly better than European uncirc'ed men but do you know, while I am all for penises, their main attraction really is not the way they look, is it?

Ive put up a link in my last post that I found very interesting. x

 

[Princessbec]

Nope our other son isn't and I won't if we have a boy this time. Our son has never had a problem.