Clomid & male factor infertility

[pink32]

Hey Girls,
i'm getting over myself - slowly - lol...i think dh and i need to sort out what to do and stick to it. WE were going to go straight into IVF/ICSI 2 months ago but then decided to probably try the clomid...

we just need to make some decisions and go for it! i think Ivf is our only option...MY FS hasnt mentioned IUI - he did initially but now just pushing ivf!

silly - when are u starting - should be soon.

Britt - will u be doing iui? what are ur hubbies counts etc? (sorry if youve already posted this somewhere)

Mirfy - let me know if the accupuncture works....

hope you are all doing great!

take care xoxo

 

[MySillyGirls]

Hey, Pink!! Sorry I haven't been around for the last several days...had a short "vacation" at my mom's. LOL Pink, it is a tough decision but when you decide, you will feel so clear-headed. At least that has been my experience. I have only 4 more days of bcps!! wow. Have an FS appt this Thursday for baselines and to teach dh to give all the shots. the meds have all been delivered. I assume I will start them on Sunday or Monday.

 

[Mamamirfy]

Very exciting Silly. It's all happening so quickly and before you know it, you'll have that BFP - I just know it.

Witch showed up for me today, I knew she was coming but you always think in the back of your head that maybe a miracle will happen. Maybe next time?

I have my Lady Gaga concert tonight....to be honest, I'm tired and cranky and don't think I feel like going in to the city.

What's happening Pink?

 

[pink32]

Hey guys,

Silly thats great, u must be excited. Excited and scared if ur anyting like me?! you must keep me fully posted and i want all the up-to-date info how, when, where, how? hehehe

Hey MIrf - sorry AF got u..i know what u mean about that little bit inside u hoping for that miracle....will u be doing clomid again or just the accupuncture and vits?

we've made the decision to start IVF/ICSI 10th Sept (which is when AF is due) i'm doing the 40 odd day protocol which involves, 2 weeks of injections, egg retreival, egg fertilization for 5 days (minimum) and then egg implamantation and then 2 week wait....wow! i'm packing it!!!

also - we signed off for 1 egg to be put back rather than 2! now i'm rethinking the issue and thinking maybe we should put back 2...they are very strict on putting in anymore than 2here... but he also pushed for just the one due to risks with twins i.e Sere bal poesy (dont know how to spell it)....so naturally that scared the living daylights outa me and we said just one...i know i can change my mind but dont know what i should do? any thoughts?

silly how many will u be putting back?

silly - are u doing the full blown or are u doing the shorter protocol...sorry if i've already asked this?

 

[MySillyGirls]

Mirf, I am sorry af got ya, girl Thank you for your support! I know we will get our BFPs!!

Pink, WOW...Congrats on your decision!!! We are doing a short protocal also. For my age, we are doing what is called a "microflare" protocal. It is done to get the maximum number of eggs in women 37 and over. Then, our FS does all IVF using the ICSI technique where he will inject the sperm into the egg. He automatically does this BUT especially for mf issues. Will you be doing that? Anyway, I start the stims on I think around Monday (I will know for sure this Thursday). They usually stimm for 12-13 days and then do the HCG trigger for retrieval. My stims include Gonal-F, Repronex, Cetrotide. I received the shipment of meds and omg there are like 1000 needles. YIKES!

Pink, how old are you? For my age (37), my doc wants to transfer either 3 3-day embies or 2 5-day blasts. What they do is check how the eggs are progressing on day 3. If they are starting to flounder a bit, he will implant them at 3 days (less likely to implant). If they are doing well (or enough are doing well), he will implant 2 blastocyts at 5days. Apparently, the 5 days blasts have a higher chance of implanting. My doc said he has never had a woman over 35 give birth to more than twins so that is a plus. But, the implantation protocal he is using is based on the ASRM guidance. There definitely are greater risks with twins but the risk of cerebal palsy is low. I think risks are higher with trips and up! Are you transferring 3 day or 5day? If 5 day and you are young, you have a great chance of conceiving with one blastocyt. If they are transferring 3 day, you might want to consider two embies. Obviously transferring more gives you a higher chance but it is also riskier.

My doc is also being aggressive because we are only doing this once. Although, we will freeze any remaining embies in case it doesn't work and try one more time using frozen which is like 25% of the cost.

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soooo excited for you!!

 

[MySillyGirls]

So, Pink, it looks like you and I will be on almost the same cycle. The doc office just called. I am going to have to stay on the bcps for another couple weeks. The main office in chicago had flooding (I may have mentioned this before) and now all ivf-ers have to be filtered through a different office. Well, of course, this is creating a backlog and they are having to stagger us. UGH!!! It looks like I won't be able to start the stims until 9/15.

 

[Mamamirfy]

Hi girls! How exciting!! And even more exciting if you guys end up pregnant at the same time When my FS told us about IVF he said I would have a 50% chance if we put in one and a 65% if we put in two and that's still just for one to implant. Does that make sense? I'm not sure if I'm going to do Clomid again....maybe next cycle when I think his count has improved....do one more try with it before we figure out what we are going to do. I still have the prescription for 3 more go's.

 

[pink32]

Hey Girls,

Silly - thanks so much for the info...i learnt more from you than from my own FS - he's such a moron seriously...he is soooooooooooo against putting back 2 eggs. He said that the cerebal palsy issue is greater - and ofcourse that freaked me out big time!

ok so here is what i know: firstly i'm 33yrs old. FS told me it's about 2 weeks of stimming (the first 4 days are injections to prevent ovulation) and then thereafter come the stimming injections. I get a trigger shot for egg collection. Go in to get them collected. Here in Australia they definately do the 5 day transfer to ensure maximium potential for implamantation. (he did tell me that)...then after the 5 days ,go back for egg transfer (we have signed for 1 egg transfer cause he "freaked" us out about cerebal palsy) with twins, - and then we wait....oh, he also mentioned that after egg transfer he will give me pessaries (whatever they are called - u may know?) to insert up into my vagina (for 2 weeks - in the 2ww) which apparantly helps the baby to stick / implant properly....

to be honest i am soooooooooooo soooooooooooooooo SCARED!!!!! I'm a freak! i want this so badly yet freaking out of the possiblity of OHSS....i know i will be monitored every 2 or 3 days but u still wonder

Well it looks like we will be starting together i'm around the 10th sept....

you know what's funny i havent even been monitoring my cycle this month, have no idea when im ovulating or anything...we havent even had sex....oh maybe 2 but thats it....

nonetheless i just hope this works for us babe.

Mirf - if you can go thru doing another couple of cycles of clomid- u go for it babe - especially if the herbs and all this accupuncture works...

You know what i just read about 2 girls on here and one of them was told by her fs that the only way she could get preggers is thru IVF cause hubbie had low SA - and guess what -she's pregnant - naturally only had sex 3 times throughout the entire cycle - no monitoring - nothing

Another lady however has Freaked me out tho - i must say...she did IVF yet was in hospital for 2 weeks with OHSS - but on the bright side she is pregnant with Twins

WEll girls i think this will be it for us - we WILL be getting our BFP's before the year is out - i can just feel it.....

i just worked it out the earliest we will have an answer will be - week of 25th october - that seems ageeeeeeees away - but u know what i can wait....We've waited this long!

 

[MySillyGirls]

Hey, Pink and Mirf! Pink, I am also freaking out about OHSS. My neighbor across the street had a mild case of it and they canceled her IVF cycle because of it. I pray that doesn't happen. It would just add to the expense etc. She said she realized she had it because she was bloated and in pain. I feel bloated like 90% of the time anyway, so I am not sure how I'll know. LOL! Anyway, the pessaries are actually progesterone suppositories. I had to use those with my IUI. this time, they have sent me injectable projesterone. I thought they made me really pmsy

I believe I read the risk of cerebal palsy in a twin pregnancy is approximately 1%. It is significant but it isn't astronomical.

I am glad we will by close in cycle, Pink! It helps because I am disappointed about adding another few weeks. It really sucks to find this out just a few days before I was going to start the stims. I knew it might happen because of the flooding but I thought I'd know before now. Anyway, dh and I will go in next week for our meds training (where he learns how to shoot me in the rear with a needle). Good times. lolllll

Mirf, I am looking forward to learning more about your plans! Who knows, maybe this is your cycle naturally??

Hugs, ladies

 

[pink32]

i know what u mean about the bloating. lol...i dont know how i will be either, when i got bloated with the clomid i was ready to be checking myself into ER -haha....and that's with clomid - i told u - total nutjob!

Imagine what i'll be like with ivf stims - goodness....

My FS has already told me that it definately bloats u - great...thats sumting to look forward to....yup! i hated the bloated feeling with clomid, so i could imagine this will be worse.

now it sucks cause you will probably start after me....but at lease we'll be in it together which we can whinge and wine together..

Now with the twins thing..my fs told me that if they put back to eggs it doesnt increase the chance of pregnancy, though increases the chance of twins! whereas i thought that if they put back two eggs, one may implant and 1 may not, therefore the chances are greater....He doesnt agree with me....

Has ur FS told u more on this? Yours sounds alot more informative than mine.

now...Silly - i dont want anymore stories on OHSS! it took me 3 months to take the clomid because i read up on so many stories and bad side effects, that when i finally took the first pill i think i was having a panic attack...lol....

i'm not going to read myself stupid on this like i did with the clomid, think i'm just gonna do it!

sucks that u have to wait a few more weeks due to these floods u guys are having.....you just wanna get things rolling! well we got a cpl of weeks girl and we're on our merry way! think DH is secretly dredding what my moods are going to be like....well if i have to do this i figure he needs to be taking some of the suffering too......lol

 

[MySillyGirls]

Hey, girls! I had a laptop keyboard failure so I have been out of commission for a few. Anyway, I'm back...lOL.

Pink, my FS told me the chance of implantation increases with two blasts at least with 35+. Similar to what Mirf's doc said. But, this could be b/c of my age. It feels like everything is about my age. Geez...nothing has made me feel older than this process.

Just a few weeks! I finish my 3 week pill pack tonight. Two more weeks of pills. Oh, and btw, everytime we've argued in the past month, dh has asked me if it is the hormones. it is really ticking me off. lol

 

[pink32]

Hey,

i've heard and read that 2 eggs give a better chance! this is why don't know what to do ...i think we'll play it by ear and i'm sure we'd be able to change our minds should we need to closer to implamantation.

i know what u mean about feeling old with this whole ttc thing. everyone keeps saying that it's best before ur 30yrs old. - we know already! far out! i feel like i'm hitting 70 already lol....

its all so scientific! doctors dont believe in mother nature its all about the drugs, eggs and needles.....

the lady i was telling u guys about with ohss, she just told me that they had to drain 9 litres of water from her body in 2 weeks as it went to her lungs and she couldnt breath. nothing like scaring the shit outa me! i'm so glad she is well now tho and her 2 little bubs.

hope u are both well - talk soon xoxo

 

[MySillyGirls]

Well and when my neighbor had mild ohss they cancelled her ivf that cycle. So, she ended up spending thousands more on her next cycle. ugh!

 

[pink32]

that's crazy! they shouldnt make ppl have to pay again should something like that happen....everything is about making money i guess.

Girls, how was ur weekend?

Mirf - how are you doing? havent heard from u in ages?

 

[Mamamirfy]

Hi gals!!!! Sorry I've been MIA. I was maid of honour in my friends wedding on Saturday so the entire week leading up to it was filled with rehearshals,appts,setting up and so on. Lots of fun but glad it's over.

We're still just plugging along with the acupuncture and herbs and everything. I feel like im in limbo. I've always had a "next appt" or something to look forward to for the past 2.5 years. It feels weird. I think I will give us until Halloween and then regroup.

You girls don't have much longer at all. Are you still set on one egg, Pink?

Silly - my DH said to me the other day when I had AF "I can tell you have your period, you always act like this, it's ok." ARGH! Which of course made me even more irritated. I wish for one day they could go through 5 days of cramps, bleeding, bloating, being bitchy and on top of it....all that garbage is the sign that comes to tell you that you're aren't pregnant....again. Men!

 

[pink32]

Sound like a good weekend Mirf...glad u enjoyed urself.

Not set on 1 or 2 eggs yet. i think we'll play it by ear and wait till the time comes for egg implamantation - i'm sure we'll b able to change our minds if we want.

Men are clueless arnt they...i mean their timing couldn't be any worse...then they wonder why we get even worse....lol

Well girls, i'm only cd15 at the moment and we have only bd'd 3 times this cycle. I didnt' track anything at all this month...i just noticed ewcm on friday (which wud of made me day 11) and we bd'd fri and sat nite.... definately not expecting anything just thinking bout this ivf....

silly - how u doing?

 

[MySillyGirls]

Hey, ladies! I am hanging in there. Trying to keep busy and would also like to lose a few pounds. Of course, they week I go back to exercising and our home elliptical broke. UGH!

This weekend is Labor Day here so we get a holiday on Monday. Lots of fun festivals and things like that. We are supposed to go in for training on our meds this week. DH is really annoying me b/c his work schedule is making this difficult and he needs to be there for this.

LOL...we haven't bd'd at all this month because i have been on bcps and, frankly, not in the mood at all. Feeling quite cranky. Let's get this show on the road. I am tired of waiting

Hope you ladies are well!

 

[Mamamirfy]

How's everyone doing? Not much to report on this end, I'm ovulating so I guess we'll BD, still doing the acupuncture and taking all the vits. wish I had more to report.

 

[pink32]

hey Girls,

silly - i know what u mean - lets get this show on the road! heheh

we havent' BD'd much at all this month either 3-5 times and thats about it.....

MIrf - good luck with ovulation and BD.

at this point i am expecting AF this coming sunday so we should be starting ivf on Monday 13th sept....

when are u expecting to start ivf silly?

 

[MySillyGirls]

Hey, ladies! Well, we had our medicine training doc appt on Thursday. Wow. 2 shots a day for 6 days and then three shots a day for the next 5 or 6 days. YIKES.

Pink, we are starting our meds on 9/15 so we should be doing this at almost the same time.