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Noellllllle!!! You're back! :flower: And on an anti-stark pro-greyjoy rant ;) Quel surprise Mrs Greyjoy :haha:

Erika you can see all episodes on moonlight media too x
That compilation of the responses to the last ep was so spot on! I felt really sorry for the girl on the floor under the blanket crying :(
 
Wanted to share this theory OH read earlier; in the books Rob can become his wolf so to speak. Last nights ep, Robb fell unconscious. Then his wolf started going insane, then when the wolf was killed, he woke back up. So the theory is that Robb in wolf form saw Arya, when he woke back up he was about to tell Cat Stark, then he died :(
 
lhancock90 said:
Wanted to share this theory OH read earlier; in the books Rob can become his wolf so to speak. Last nights ep, Robb fell unconscious. Then his wolf started going insane, then when the wolf was killed, he woke back up. So the theory is that Robb in wolf form saw Arya, when he woke back up he was about to tell Cat Stark, then he died :(
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Hmmm, interesting! But surely that would be like a warg thing, so he should've got the wierd eyes-thing going on? My theory on what he was about to say to Cat was that he was sorry for keeping her prisoner &treating her a bit sh*tty lately :coffee:
 
Noelle610 said:
I wrote this in a facebook argument and it sums it up nicely:

On a serious note, because I take the politics of Westeros very seriously, I think the Starks been viewed as "good guys" is very much a case of the winners writing history. Why should Theon show them any loyalty? They killed his brothers. While they were kind to him, he was still a HOSTAGE and they sure as shit would have killed him had his father tried to rebel again. What did they owe him? The Starks have killed a lot of people, too. Robb's rebellion isn't really any different than Balon's. He's broken several oaths. Yes, many of these betrayals were motivated by love, but how is that somehow more honorable than the motivation of family loyalty? He's started a war. He's not some great guy. In season 3 he beheads Rickard, which in actually is no different than the scene in season 2 when Theon beheads Rodrik - it's just cleaner and more valiantly executed.
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I gotta disagree hun (as much as I love you ;))
Robb beheads rickard to punish him for murdering 2 innocent, unarmed boys :shrug: Whereas Theon beheads rodrik to show that he's king of the castle.
Also I'm curious as to what other oaths Robb has broken? (Other than one to marry a Frey girl obviously). I am thoroughly prepared to be blown out of the water by your politico social knowledge of westeross as I am of course a lowly tavern wench from flea bottom :haha:
 
Has anyone watched the preview for the finale episode? It's gonna be intense again!
 
tasha41 said:
Has anyone watched the preview for the finale episode? It's gonna be intense again!
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Ooooh!!!! "Wearing that crown doesn't give you power" I hate to say it but Tywin is my FAVOURITE character!! He's so authoritative and commanding, and Charles dance could not be more perfect for the role, he deserves a myriad of awards for his acting as Tywin. It's not that he's a likeable character but he's absolutely fascinating!!
I'm embarking on a long coach journey now (sans enfant!) with free wifi so I'll apologise in advance for hogging this thread :haha:
Pleeeeeease let some of you be off work!! ;)
 
If they kill Dany off I'm never watching it again.

It is so unpredictable, I have the books but haven't read them yet are they much different from the show?
 
CarlyP said:
If they kill Dany off I'm never watching it again.

It is so unpredictable, I have the books but haven't read them yet are they much different from the show?
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I agree with this. I love Dany they can never kill her!!
 
Hello! Chiming in here :)

The show is pretty true to the books and I was so pleased with the way they acted out the red wedding. Michelle fairly (sp?) was amazing in her final scene...made my heart break :( tho there are small changes they've made in this season (none come to mind at the moment tho)

Anyone who's read the books looking forward to Joffreys wedding?? I know I am!
 
I am only reading the books as the seasons pass so I don't read something before it's shown. I was pleasantly surprised at just how true to the books they are. I've only read the first book so far x
 
Ruth 1980 said:
Noelle610 said:
I wrote this in a facebook argument and it sums it up nicely:

On a serious note, because I take the politics of Westeros very seriously, I think the Starks been viewed as "good guys" is very much a case of the winners writing history. Why should Theon show them any loyalty? They killed his brothers. While they were kind to him, he was still a HOSTAGE and they sure as shit would have killed him had his father tried to rebel again. What did they owe him? The Starks have killed a lot of people, too. Robb's rebellion isn't really any different than Balon's. He's broken several oaths. Yes, many of these betrayals were motivated by love, but how is that somehow more honorable than the motivation of family loyalty? He's started a war. He's not some great guy. In season 3 he beheads Rickard, which in actually is no different than the scene in season 2 when Theon beheads Rodrik - it's just cleaner and more valiantly executed.
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I gotta disagree hun (as much as I love you ;))

Robb beheads rickard to punish him for murdering 2 innocent, unarmed boys :shrug: Whereas Theon beheads rodrik to show that he's king of the castle.
Also I'm curious as to what other oaths Robb has broken? (Other than one to marry a Frey girl obviously). I am thoroughly prepared to be blown out of the water by your politico social knowledge of westeross as I am of course a lowly tavern wench from flea bottom :haha:
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LOL! You're allowed to disagree with me :) Yes, the reasons for the excecutions were different, but they both followed through with the intent of a show of power. Robb's motivation is admittedly more *ahem* ego.

In terms of the oathes, I just see them both as having broken one major promise. With Robb, it's the Frey marriage. I know it seems romantic, but in their culture a marriage betrothal is serious business. I actually see Theon's broken oath - to be loyal to Robb as King of the North - more valiant in this scenario. He's been a hostage his entire life and he decides he wants to be part of his house once again. I think it's a very sympathetic position (thought granted he's much more torn in the show than he is in the books).

What I really like about Game of Thrones is that there are no "bad guys". It's pretty gray with a few exceptions (Joffrey, Ramsey aka "the boy"). I think the characters are really human. They're all motivated by normal human things - love, family, power, sex. Even when we don't agree with their choices, we can see why they might find themselves doing what they do.
 
Jary said:
Hello! Chiming in here :)

The show is pretty true to the books and I was so pleased with the way they acted out the red wedding. Michelle fairly (sp?) was amazing in her final scene...made my heart break :( tho there are small changes they've made in this season (none come to mind at the moment tho)

Anyone who's read the books looking forward to Joffreys wedding?? I know I am!
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I haven't read the books but I know about the Joffrey wedding, I can't wait!
 
Jary said:
Hello! Chiming in here :)

The show is pretty true to the books and I was so pleased with the way they acted out the red wedding. Michelle fairly (sp?) was amazing in her final scene...made my heart break :( tho there are small changes they've made in this season (none come to mind at the moment tho)

Anyone who's read the books looking forward to Joffreys wedding?? I know I am!
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I also haven't read the books but I know what happens with the wedding and I'm looking forward to seeing it. I'm kinda bummed about some of the aftermath though.
 
Aw I don't know anything about any aftermath.

I'm really relieved that the authors favorite character is Tyrian, cause he doesn't mind killing people. Maybe he will leave my Tyrian alone!!
 
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Noelle610 said:
Ruth 1980 said:
Noelle610 said:
I wrote this in a facebook argument and it sums it up nicely:

On a serious note, because I take the politics of Westeros very seriously, I think the Starks been viewed as "good guys" is very much a case of the winners writing history. Why should Theon show them any loyalty? They killed his brothers. While they were kind to him, he was still a HOSTAGE and they sure as shit would have killed him had his father tried to rebel again. What did they owe him? The Starks have killed a lot of people, too. Robb's rebellion isn't really any different than Balon's. He's broken several oaths. Yes, many of these betrayals were motivated by love, but how is that somehow more honorable than the motivation of family loyalty? He's started a war. He's not some great guy. In season 3 he beheads Rickard, which in actually is no different than the scene in season 2 when Theon beheads Rodrik - it's just cleaner and more valiantly executed.
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I gotta disagree hun (as much as I love you ;))

Robb beheads rickard to punish him for murdering 2 innocent, unarmed boys :shrug: Whereas Theon beheads rodrik to show that he's king of the castle.
Also I'm curious as to what other oaths Robb has broken? (Other than one to marry a Frey girl obviously). I am thoroughly prepared to be blown out of the water by your politico social knowledge of westeross as I am of course a lowly tavern wench from flea bottom :haha:
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LOL! You're allowed to disagree with me :) Yes, the reasons for the excecutions were different, but they both followed through with the intent of a show of power. Robb's motivation is admittedly more *ahem* ego.

In terms of the oathes, I just see them both as having broken one major promise. With Robb, it's the Frey marriage. I know it seems romantic, but in their culture a marriage betrothal is serious business. I actually see Theon's broken oath - to be loyal to Robb as King of the North - more valiant in this scenario. He's been a hostage his entire life and he decides he wants to be part of his house once again. I think it's a very sympathetic position (thought granted he's much more torn in the show than he is in the books).

What I really like about Game of Thrones is that there are no "bad guys". It's pretty gray with a few exceptions (Joffrey, Ramsey aka "the boy"). I think the characters are really human. They're all motivated by normal human things - love, family, power, sex. Even when we don't agree with their choices, we can see why they might find themselves doing what they do.
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Debate soc.: :haha:
Yes the characters are very "human" honorable traits and faults. But I'm afraid I will always side with the Starks. Ned was, to me, a truly honorable man who raised his family with honour, and despite having Theon as a "ward" raised him almost as a son (as evidenced by the brotherly relationship that theon &robb had previously). Theon was using Stark gold to pay for his tumbles with Ros! ;) Ned was kind with the pocket money dontcha think? Theon was doing fairly well for himself if he could afford to flip Ros a gold coin for a final glimpse of her foofy! :haha:
I find catelyn stark less honourable. I know Jon snow was a painful reminder to her of her husband's infidelity but they had Jon from being a little baby and it was in no way his fault, and yet she treated him with barely disguised contempt.
I feel very sorry for theon in respect to the position he was put in by his father &sister and the difficult choice he had to make but I don't think his actions were honourable in any respect. Look at Jon snow being told to kill the horse trader- whatever danger it put him in- he just couldn't do it because of honour. I think that's something he got from his father.
(I know your love for theon is all-consuming and blinding though ;) so we will have to agree to differ :)) x
 
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