Home Birthers & Hopefuls!

Ooh forgot to say- although i had a positive swab for GBS when pregnant with Toby it was at 28 weeks pg (after i was admitted with some pain) and then not re-swabbed, so i very well may not have been positive at delivery but we'd cancelled our HB plans anyway and opted to go in for the antibiotics.

This time round i was told at my booking appointment they would assume i was NOT positive for GBS unless proven otherwise (which made me :lol: a bit, as it's like "not guilty until proven!" :roll: ) and since there has been no cause for swabbing at any point i haven't had one done and i haven't requested one.

I made the decision that felt right for us at the time with Toby, but i'm making different ones this time iykwim?
 
well im booked in with a double lenght appointment to see the community MW who does HB's tomorrow and to talk it all through the boys wont be happy but i'll have to pack them their lunch and take it with me caus its right on lunchtime the appointment

:dohh: at the timing but good luck, hope the appointment goes well :thumbup:
 
hello all

i got my home birth woohoo yellow bump turned pink

summer rose born 13th september at 9.34 weighing 8lbs 4 half Oz. no pain relieve just water and jasmine oil. was truly amazing did have to go to hospital due to a bleed.

but would highly recommend a natural birth with water.
 

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im so jealous about peoples pics :( the ones i do have are awful as i was being rushed to get into a ambulance and it was so fast i didnt get any pool shots
 
appointment went well i have to get the consultant to sign off my homebirth though because of the "size of baby" thing not that im measuring ahead or anything and my GTT was clear
 
Aww, JD'2 what a lovely pic. 13th Sept is DH's Birthday :)

Well, I just had my 36 week appointment and have come out really disappointed after thinking how great my MW was last time when we discussed my birthplan at home.

Apparently there has been a meeting bout home birthing Mums which happens every month and my plan was discussed at that. I now have an A4 sheet in my notes advising me against some of my wishes for labour.

It says that midwifery guidelines state that FHR monitoring should happen every 15 mins in first stage and every 5 minutes in second stage. I had said that this was too intrusive and I wanted occasional monitoring with a doppler or pinard.

I have declined BP monitoring in labour, but they have said that if I need an oxytocic drug for 3rd stage that they will need a reading. I have agreed to this but only in the case of PPH after delivery of the placenta.

It also says that I will be advised to transfer if meconium is present. She'd already agreed that if it's thin I wouldn't have to.

They have advised that 'an appropriate cord clamp' is used. They have said that a silk tie is unlikely to be secure enough to prevent bleeding. I said that it was my choice and she has said that I will have to put it on.

My birth plan states that I don't want a cannula sited just in case (in the event of hospital transfer). They have said that it will be strongly advised if transfer is due to heavy bleeding and that a paramedic will site it. I agreed, but only if I am transferred for hemorrhaging.

The one which upsets me the most is that they have said that if baby needs resus, they will cut the cord as they can't resus with baby attached. The midwife didn't see my point of view on this and got quite argumentative. I said that I wont agree to it as cutting the cord starves a baby of oxygen if it isn't breathing and that I don't want to risk brain damage to the baby. Her argument was that to get breathing established, the lungs need to be inflated and it's air that the baby needs, not oxygen. It says on my sheet that resus can happen next to me but not with the cord attached?? I am so upset about this. Does anyone know of any studies (preferably from peer reviewed journals) which show better outcomes for babies who need help to breathe when they remain attached? I know that it's unlikely that baby will need full on resus, but I want to give them some studies to inform them.
 
my job next week is to write my BP down after talking to the mw today she was concernd about the size of my last 2 babies
 
Awesome stuff JD

There are very few pics of me and either baby.

With Dewi I was fresh form 2 days of labour and EMCS I look a little shell shocked in a hospitla gown, and with Stanley I'm nekkid bloody and n hospital bleurgh.

There are literally NONE of me looking happy holding my fresh new baby.

Hubby didnt think to take any and I was a bit busy!
 
wigglywoo. not sure if this is public: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)61410-0/fulltext
The Lancet, Volume 374, Issue 9687, Pages 377 - 378, 1 August 2009
Could early cord clamping harm neonatal stabilisation?
Judith Mercer, Susan Bewley
David Odd and colleagues (May 9, p 1615)1 show that mild perinatal insults, as evidenced by the need for resuscitation, could precede cognitive impairment in children at 8 years. Could early cord clamping be a potential iatrogenic cause of both the need for resuscitation and later outcome?

The placenta does not stop working just because the infant is outside the uterus. It continues to provide gas exchange during the early minutes at physiological transition. Current service provision dictates immediate cord clamping when infants need resuscitation. Yet as long ago as the 1960s, Yao and others2 showed that immediate cord clamping results in a 30% lower blood volume and up to a 50% lower red-cell volume for the newborn infant. It is possible that this deficiency could predispose neonates to ischaemic damage.
Such damage might begin with an inflammatory cascade resulting from the hypoxia due to loss of blood volume and components.3 Meier and colleagues4 showed that human umbilical stem cells injected into the abdomens of 7-day-old rats within 24 h of a laboratory-induced brain injury prevented ******* paresis, suggesting a timely reparative role when there is an insult. In a series of MRIs in infants with hypoxic-ischaemic encephalopathy, Cowan and colleagues5 showed little or no indication of damage on the first day, gradually progressing to severe damage by the end of the first week. In infants who do not progress to severe damage, subtle early effects of hypoxia-ischaemia due to blood loss could induce some level of injury which might not be detectable.
We propose that cord clamping is documented for all births, especially in research studies. Otherwise we will never fully understand the effect of interventions in physiological fetal-to-neonatal transition and how to ensure that resuscitation practices cause no harm.
We declare that we have no conflicts of interest.
References
1 Odd DE. Resuscitation at birth and cognition at 8 years of age: a cohort study. Lancet 2009; 373: 7. Full Text | PDF(244KB) | CrossRef | PubMed
2 Yao AC, Moinian M, Lind J. Distribution of blood between infant and placenta after birth. Lancet 1969; 2: 871-873. PubMed
3 Rajnik M, Salkowski CA, Thomas KE, Li YY, Rollwagen FM, Vogel SN. Induction of early inflammatory gene expression in a murine model of nonresuscitated, fixed-volume hemorrhage. Shock 2002; 17: 322-328. CrossRef | PubMed
4 Meier C, Middelanis J, Wasielewski B, et al. ******* paresis after perinatal brain damage in rats is reduced by human cord blood mononuclear cells. Pediatr Res 2006; 59: 244-249. CrossRef | PubMed
5 Cowan F, Rutherford M, Groenendaal F, et al. Origin and timing of brain lesions in term infants with neonatal encephalopathy. Lancet 2003; 361: 736-742. Summary | Full Text | PDF(100KB) | CrossRef | PubMed
 
If the lungs need inflating presumably using a bag I do not see why that should necessitate the cord to have been cut. Unless you turn out to have an exceptionally short cord if they can resus next to you they can resus with baby attached.
 
If the lungs need inflating presumably using a bag I do not see why that should necessitate the cord to have been cut. Unless you turn out to have an exceptionally short cord if they can resus next to you they can resus with baby attached.

That was my argument but I was shot down with 'we need room to work on the baby'. Last time I saw her it was only an issue if there was a short cord but this time it was if resus is required, the cord will be cut. She also started talking about chest compressions, but again, I see no reason for the cord to be cut for this to happen. I'm sure it wont come to it, but I want my wishes to be understood and respected and not just dismissed.

The actual wording on my notes is:

"Resuscitation of baby would not be possible with the cord still attached. It could, of course be done with baby alongside Mum, but adequate resuscitation measures could not be taken until the cord has been clamped and cut".

I have watched videos of compromised infants receiving resus while still attached and see no reason for the lack of support :nope:

Thank you for the link to the Lancet, I will try and read some of the articles in the references and see what is public. Times like this I wish I was still a student! I only lost my access to the University Library in July when I graduated from my PGCE :(
 
Let me know if there's anything you wish to access. I have web of science at my disposal for two different institutions, one of which seems to have a nursing specialism.
 
hello all

i got my home birth woohoo yellow bump turned pink

summer rose born 13th september at 9.34 weighing 8lbs 4 half Oz. no pain relieve just water and jasmine oil. was truly amazing did have to go to hospital due to a bleed.

but would highly recommend a natural birth with water.

congrats hun :hugs:
 
Yes congrats! I updates the front but got distracted by wigglewoo's conundrum! :dohh:
 
vikirose, welcome!!

rebaby, congrats on the home visit!!

JD2, CONGRATS!! Beautiful picture, too!
 

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