Jehovah's Witnesses

[ShanandBoc]

Its not about converting a certain number of people at all, its about giving everyone the chance to hear the bible and its message about Gods purpose for the future.

I read somewhere in this thread that someone had heard that we have to 'convert' (i hate that word lol) a certain number of people in order to be saved. Completely ridiculous, you can force people to want to listen. As long as you are out there trying to help people, and tbh you want to talk to others about it, not because you are forced to or anything.

And ur right flubdub, the majority of people dont listen, most cause they have no intrest in the bible whatsoever, but we expect that. Jesus had the same reaction ( To quote a scripture ' you will be hated on account of my name') and the bible says that anyone preaching this good news would also

 

[bloodbinds]

I hate people knocking at my door randomly. If Jesus himself did it i would tell him to call first. Urgh.

 

[Naya69]

to be honest i find it very rude i understand they have to spread the word but cant they just post a leftlet?

i had some nice old women at my door a few months go and i let them talk to me but in te end i said i wasnt interested in going to church and they were fine and walked off but ive had these 2guys at my door and they are so pushy even asked for my number d to come round another time to chat more even tho i told them i wasnt interested i thinks its just rude to shove their beliefs in my face especially at my frontdoor!!!

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

Oooh I didnt know paganism is so frowned upon within the bible. I follow alot of pagen ways. Why is it so frowned upon?

 

[flubdub]

Flubdub, they should have you as a do not call. If you contact your local congregation and maybe get their names they will check that u are listed as such. But we are certainly not meant to return on people who ask us not to x The fact that you said its the same people maybe they are just doing it of their own accord, as maps and do not call listings are arranged by the 'elders' in each congregation.

I would take the next step and contact them, as thats not fair on u at all, your wishes should be respected and thats what we are taught x

Thanks. We moved a couple of months ago and havn't had anybody round in this area yet.
I actually am interested in what they have to say, but wouldnt want them to spend lots of time talking to me, then ask them to leave. I would feel as though I had wasted their time.

 

[flubdub]

I actually posted about this in another thread, hold on ill copy and paste it for you

But so u know they dont celebrate Easter as such ( bunnies eggs the whole commercial side etc) but deffinately do celebrate Jesus death every year at easter but dont participate in the pagan side of it (which is explained further down) It was Jesus' death that we were told was important, not his birth, for the reason i mentioned in my previosu post

Any way here is waht i posted in another thread.....

This is not meant to cause offence to anyone. Just pointing out some facts.

I dont celebrate christmas, not because i think telling a little white lie about santa is wrong or anything like that as i understand its just a fun thing for children (same with easter and the easter bunny) and of course not that there is anything wrong with the gathering of family and gift giving aspect of it, but because of its non christain and non biblical origin. After all Christmas and Easter are meant to be about Jesus essentially.

Christmas for example supposedly is to commemorate the birth of Jesus and nearly every religion celebrates it. Yet there is no biblical origin for its celebration at all. It was jesus' death that was important and that we were instructed to commemorate.

Early christains would not have celebrated Jesus' birth as birthdays are a pagan custom and are idolatrous worship something that bible warns against, not a christain or a biblical one. At birth it was believed that a spirit or demon attended the birth and protected that one through out his life, and Jesus certainly would not have wanted to be linked with anything that involved superstition.

Also the account of Jesus' birth that is celebrated is scriptually incorrect. We know that Jesus couldnt have been born on Dec 25th (not that this is a huge deal) because the bible says that the shephards were out tending to their sheep. In that part of the world in Dec, it would have been much too cold to do this.

December 25th was chosen as it coincides with the pagan roman festival marking the birthday of the unconquered sun. In an effort to convert pagans, religious leaders adopted this festival and tried to make it seem 'christain'. The saturnalia also played a part in the choice of Dec 25th. This was a festival honouring the roman god of agriculture. Feasting, drinking and gift giving took place.

So this date was chosen in worship to false gods, and anyone with a knowledge of the bible knows that this was warned against by Jesus and God.

If you look into, St nicholas was also Influence of paganism and folklore, not christain at all and not what Jesus would want to be associated with. Imo it also gives the belief that Jesus is a fictional character, like Santa, when the two are tied in together
Intrestingly, Christmas was actually banned in England and some of the American colonies during the 17th century because of its unscriptual origin.

The other issue is that what is taught about the events of Jesus' birth is also scriptually incorrect.

The three wise men, were actually sent by King Herod, in an attempt to locate Jesus to have him killed. He ordered that all boys under the age of 2 be murdered, in order to eraticate the 'son of god and prophet' that had been born. This also suggests that Jesus was not newborn at the time they visited as boys up to the age of two were targeted. The bible also says that they did not visit Jesus in a manger either but rather a house.
The account of this is at Matthew 2:1-16.

Easter as it is celebrated today is also scriptually incorrect.

As we are instructed in the bible to celebrate Jesus' death, i do commemorate this, but do not take part in the celebration that involves the easter bunny and chocolate. Once again, not because there is anything wrong with bunnies or chocolate but because of its actual modern day origin. Easter is also rooted in pagan worship. The catholic encyclopedia actually states that the easter bunny is not christain but that 'yes the rabbit is a symbol of fertility, but is a pagan symbol' Its a pagan custom celebrating the return of spring.

I hope i havent offended anyone, i just noticed there were a few people who were religious and christain, as a christain also i wanted to point out why i dont celebrate, give the other side of the coin so to speak

What a great, well written, interesting post. Thank you for taking the time to write all that! All of it was new information to me

 

[madasa]

He he... Has anyone ever watched Black Books...? The first episode, where Bernard will do anything to avoid doing his tax returns so he actually invites JWs in... Very funny IMO

 

[coccyx]

I think jesus and Santa are as fictional as each other. But live and let live I say. My SIL is a JW and so are my nephews and nieces, love them lots and we get on so well considering our different views on religion. We in fact agree on lots of 'ethical' issues and values

 

[Naya69]

He he... Has anyone ever watched Black Books...? The first episode, where Bernard will do anything to avoid doing his tax returns so he actually invites JWs in... Very funny IMO

i love black books only started watching it a couple of weeks ago but found it so funny i was watching the one where he gets the security door nd gets locked in over night and has to live off bumble bees and absinth i couldnt stop laughing

 

[madasa]

I'm in the mooooood for dancin'...

The little man in my hair is getting very angry!!

Hehe, see if u can find the first episode, really good!

 

[Naya69]

yer i think iam gonna start buying them because they only show 1 episode a week its well not fair

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

They are lovely people. I am currently having a bible study with some. They said at the first study they not trying to convert me they are trying to teach me the bible.

Salesmens knock on doors etc. It's superising how many people are SO rude to them qwhen there really si no need for it.

I was shocked by what they told me and didn't want to believe some of it (inlcuding that christmas isn't jesus's birthday) But it's all in the bible. There isn't actaully a date for jesus birth but in the bible it says jesus was born 6 months after his cousin, his cousin was born in march so 6 months later is october. Doing more research chirstmas was actually a pagen festivle. I was truly shocked but I can't argue with the evidence. I just wanted to understand the bible and they are teaching me taht not trying to convert me.
xx

 

[madasa]

Aidans mummy, I really hope they can give you strength, answers and comfort

 

[Naya69]

They are lovely people. I am currently having a bible study with some. They said at the first study they not trying to convert me they are trying to teach me the bible.

Salesmens knock on doors etc. It's superising how many people are SO rude to them qwhen there really si no need for it.

I was shocked by what they told me and didn't want to believe some of it (inlcuding that christmas isn't jesus's birthday) But it's all in the bible. There isn't actaully a date for jesus birth but in the bible it says jesus was born 6 months after his cousin, his cousin was born in march so 6 months later is october. Doing more research chirstmas was actually a pagen festivle. I was truly shocked but I can't argue with the evidence. I just wanted to understand the bible and they are teaching me taht not trying to convert me.
xx

sssshhhhh they might cancel christmas

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Lol I was so shocked. But I think I would give it hard to give up christmas if I did convert. It's jsut a lovely family time. I suppose we could have a family day and still give pressies just not call it christmas (cheating I know)

And masda thank you they are such lovely people, they have hearts of gold
xx

 

[Naya69]

yer i could never give up christmas its the best part of the year i would feel so low without it.

i have actually heard it wasnt jesus's birthday on christmas day but i always thought it was in july x

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

I don't know where in the bible it is. I will have to ask the lady that comes but she did say it was 6 months after his cousin was born

I mean think about it. Why would the sherpards be in the fields at winter? It's so logical when you think about it but you don't think to question it. Madness

xx

 

[polo_princess]

Im slightly late to enter this debate but IMO if i wanted to know about it id look into it myself, i dont need someone to knock at my door to tell me about it.

Thats not just my opinion on Jehovah's witnesses, just most things in general, dont come to me, i'll come to you

 

[madasa]

But if you don't know it's there, why would you go and look for it?

Only other way I could see them reaching people is via tv ads and how tacky/annoying would THAT be...

 

[Blue_bumpkin]

I don't know where in the bible it is. I will have to ask the lady that comes but she did say it was 6 months after his cousin was born

I mean think about it. Why would the sherpards be in the fields at winter? It's so logical when you think about it but you don't think to question it. Madness

xx

See I was told Jesus must have been born in spring because in the stable there was lambs and calves etc. That kinda makes sense too Sometimes the bible confuses me

I think that religion and having faith can be wonderful things if you have them, but most things are left open to interpretation, and that isnt necessarily a bad thing