Kate McCann releasing a book...

exactly! you either want an adult holiday or a family one!! to have both means, take a babysitter!! its just damn stupid to leave them alone. I freak out just taking the bin out to the front once a week knowing shes inside, its litterally an out the back door, lock it, walk round the house put bin on pavement, and go in the front door. i still run!! cos i cant hear her or see her so it petrifies me! really do not understand how they did it and the fact theres a statement saying the neighbour heard crying for 75mins the night before, prooves maddie was destressed when she woke to a empty apartment. just ridiculous.

it is disgusting, i couldnt leave zane crying for that longwith me being in the same house.

i left zane at the front door to put my bin out. i can see him so no one can get passed without me seeing but i blinked turned around n zane had let a cat in and was stroking it hahaha

u cant leave children alone u dont no what they could be doing. at the age of 2 my mil says my oh had managed to get ontop of a wardrobe! god knows how but if she had just popped out n he fell that could of been it
 
yep, LO can almost climb out her cot, she could climb on the sofa and fall and hit the coffee table, etc etc.... its idiotic to not be sure your kids are safe at all times.

anyhoo im off to bed, no doubt wake up to people not agreeing with me but hey ho, its just my opinion peeps!!

night night mccann lovers&haters :haha:

xx
 
yep, LO can almost climb out her cot, she could climb on the sofa and fall and hit the coffee table, etc etc.... its idiotic to not be sure your kids are safe at all times.

anyhoo im off to bed, no doubt wake up to people not agreeing with me but hey ho, its just my opinion peeps!!

night night mccann lovers&haters :haha:

xx

:haha:
well i agree with u and i cant see how people cant agree that keeping children safe is important.....alot more important then going out for a meal.

recently there was a thread about a mother who had gone on a night out n spent the day at her mates house. she left her 4 yr old with a sibling. the 4 yr old had got into the drier and died...everyone on here was slaggin the mother off sayin it was all her fault n how could she go on a night out ect....well atleast she left her son with someone she thought she could trust and not just completly alone
 
wow thats shocking! and very sad :( Its the same as this in a way, negecting the childs safety. regardless of the outcome the leaving them alone factor should have been addressed the same as every other case. didnt see that thread tend not to venture to far these days.

Okay i really am going to bed now!! x
 
wow thats shocking! and very sad :( Its the same as this in a way, negecting the childs safety. regardless of the outcome the leaving them alone factor should have been addressed the same as every other case. didnt see that thread tend not to venture to far these days.

Okay i really am going to bed now!! x

it was a awful story and a horrible way for the poor boy to have died. just gets me how people jumped on that mother...who was on benifits i believe and her son who passed had nits so ofcourse had to be mentioned. but when ur the McCanns it doesnt matter what might of happened to maddy theyve "suffered enough" apparently
 
Apparently SS didnt get involved because the 'incident' didnt happen in this country and therefore had no reason to interfere. Apparently, I do say lol..

In the book she talks about this. She says when Madeleine woke she asked why they didnt come when Sean and Madeleine were crying and then when asked about it she changed the subject, she says its something she wishes she had gone into detail with her about..

I dont whether they did go back and check or not but if they didnt then they were completely stupid to leave them alone for 30 minutes let alone all night.. I still dont think they had anything to do with it..

And like I said Fiona took her mum along with her on the holiday, when I started reading I assumed this was for babysitting in the evenings.
 
Apparently SS didnt get involved because the 'incident' didnt happen in this country and therefore had no reason to interfere. Apparently, I do say lol..

In the book she talks about this. She says when Madeleine woke she asked why they didnt come when Sean and Madeleine were crying and then when asked about it she changed the subject, she says its something she wishes she had gone into detail with her about..

I dont whether they did go back and check or not but if they didnt then they were completely stupid to leave them alone for 30 minutes let alone all night.. I still dont think they had anything to do with it..

And like I said Fiona took her mum along with her on the holiday, when I started reading I assumed this was for babysitting in the evenings.

I've seen her go on about this loads of times and its really starting to piss me off. She always emphasises how Madeleine just "dropped it" and didn't mention it anymore, its as if she's trying to excuse leaving them by saying Madeleine wasn't bothered about crying for over an hour. Maybe not in hindsight, kids aren't, but at the time I'm sure she was devastated and confused :(
 
OH bought the book, i claimed it first read and im on the 9th chapter (only started reading it earlier :rofl:)...
 
Im about to sit down and read a bit more. Im starting the chapter after the night she went missing. Hopefully pick up a few other things..
 
Im finding it interesting though. Seems kinda complicated :wacko: sometimes i can't quite work it out
 
In an interview Kate was asked about Madeline crying for 75 minutes & the fact that she said to Kate 'why did you not come when me & Sean were crying' and her answer in the interview was 'I didnt know what she was talkinh about, & didnt know where is had come from, was she talking about when she was crying before/after her bath'
This annoyed me so much because she knew full well what Madeline was talking about, but to me it was an excuse so she to justify why she left them AGAIN

In another interview Gerry states that he thought it was a family friendly place & he didnt think that she would be abducted
well of course not, who would but surely that would be the last thought on your mind as to what could happen if your children are left alone??
There could have been a fire, Sean or Amelie could have tried to climb out of their cots & fell, Maddie could be a child that loves the water & ran the bath & drowned??
These are the things that Gerry & Kate should have thought about!!!!
 
I mentioned this the other day, although I have doubted their innocence from very early on. But the point about the note being left in the reservations book.. Now IF their was someone dodgy working at the complex it is not out of this world to think they could use a spare key to gain access to the apartment knowing no-one was in there and taken one of the children.

But all the other stuff and evidence points another way so hmmm.
 
What I find ironic about the 'note in the reservations book' tale is that once again it's a prime example of how the McCanns blame everyone but themselves.

IF there was a note in the book, and IF someone saw it & IF they were able to act on this and take Madeleine, this isn't because the reservations book was carelessly left hanging around for christ's sake, it's because the situation was ALLOWED to be created by the McCanns & their friends.

I mean - it's far more likely someone watched them each night & realised they ditched their children to go & have tea than read it in a sodding book. Note in the book or not, someone could have easily seen them doing the same thing.

Not that I believe for one second there was even a note saying 'seat close to wherever because they are checking on their young children', but whatever you say Kate...
 
I'm almost done reading the book I'll lend it out just give me a PM :thumbup:
 
What I find ironic about the 'note in the reservations book' tale is that once again it's a prime example of how the McCanns blame everyone but themselves.

IF there was a note in the book, and IF someone saw it & IF they were able to act on this and take Madeleine, this isn't because the reservations book was carelessly left hanging around for christ's sake, it's because the situation was ALLOWED to be created by the McCanns & their friends.

I mean - it's far more likely someone watched them each night & realised they ditched their children to go & have tea than read it in a sodding book. Note in the book or not, someone could have easily seen them doing the same thing.

Not that I believe for one second there was even a note saying 'seat close to wherever because they are checking on their young children', but whatever you say Kate...

:thumbup:

Also, seriously it's mind boggling enough to think they actually thought it was ok to leave 3 small children alone, but to also tell strangers that they were doing so? :wacko:

Perhaps I'm just a very paranoid type of person but, telling strangers (as in receptionst/who ever wrote in book) that 3 children are going to be alone who could then tell x,y,z person, is just plain stupid!!

Just goes to show class & education do not have any baring on common sense!!
 
This is what I think ^^^^^^^^^^^^

also would the hotel actually write a note in public about small kids being left alone, would they even have written a note in that much detail anyway? :shrug:

I don't believe it but it did cross my mind as a possibility for the believers :D
 
This part in the book I have never heard before..

Previously she mentions that they were unable to book a table at the tapas bar until the morning of the day they needed the table as it was small and only held space for 15 or so people. Then she says this:

'In spite of what we'd been told about booking the Tapas restaurant, Rachael managed ti get a table for 9 people at 8.30pm pencilled in for the rest of the week after having a word with the receptionist and Tapas area'
'Its wasnt until a year later when I was combing through the portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note reuestiong our block booking was written in a staff message book which was sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day, this book was by definition accesible to all staff and visitors too.'

Missing the next couple of lines she writes this:

'the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.'

If thats true then someone could of seen it.. So far since reading I do think she is innocent..

They are very convincing Laura ... but it's really worth comparing what Kate McCann says in her book to what she and others said in Police interviews and statements at the time.

There are some HUGE discrepancies ... there are also major discrepancies between what Kate says in the book and what she has previously said in televised interviews and documentaries :shrug:

Bear in mind too that the book was written to be an exoneration of them and as such is hardly impartial :flower: She is, of course, going to show them in the best possible light and gloss over any inconvenient facts like the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever re an abductor, or the dogs' findings. :flower:

I think one way to clarify things in your mind is to imagine the whole scenario from a different angle and see how you feel then ...

Lets imagine that the McCanns had gone out to eat for the whole evening, without checks BUT with employing a sit in babysitter to watch the children.

Now lets imagine that the babysitter got hungry and went out to eat at the Tapas bar but popped back every 15 minutes to check the children.

How would you feel if the McCanns had then returned from their meal to find everything in uproar and their daughter had vanished?

Would you feel sorry for the babysitter? Would you want the babysitter punished to the full extent of the law for endangering those children? Would you watch the dogs alerting for blood and cadaver scent and just dismiss them as being unreliable, or would you wonder if the babysitter was covering something up? Would you believe in abduction even though there was no evidence to suggest it? Would you implicitly believe that everything the babysitter said was true? Would you understand if the babysitter refused to answer 48 questions under caution on the grounds that her solicitor told her to?

Do you see what I mean? Try to divorce yourself from the fact that it goes against the grain to imagine parents doing anything like this (although history shows that they sadly do :( ) and try to think impartially ... as if the babysitter had written this book
:flower:
 
This part in the book I have never heard before..

Previously she mentions that they were unable to book a table at the tapas bar until the morning of the day they needed the table as it was small and only held space for 15 or so people. Then she says this:

'In spite of what we'd been told about booking the Tapas restaurant, Rachael managed ti get a table for 9 people at 8.30pm pencilled in for the rest of the week after having a word with the receptionist and Tapas area'
'Its wasnt until a year later when I was combing through the portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note reuestiong our block booking was written in a staff message book which was sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day, this book was by definition accesible to all staff and visitors too.'

Missing the next couple of lines she writes this:

'the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.'

If thats true then someone could of seen it.. So far since reading I do think she is innocent..

They are very convincing Laura ... but it's really worth comparing what Kate McCann says in her book to what she and others said in Police interviews and statements at the time.

There are some HUGE discrepancies ... there are also major discrepancies between what Kate says in the book and what she has previously said in televised interviews and documentaries :shrug:

Bear in mind too that the book was written to be an exoneration of them and as such is hardly impartial :flower: She is, of course, going to show them in the best possible light and gloss over any inconvenient facts like the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever re an abductor, or the dogs' findings. :flower:

I think one way to clarify things in your mind is to imagine the whole scenario from a different angle and see how you feel then ...

Lets imagine that the McCanns had gone out to eat for the whole evening, without checks BUT with employing a sit in babysitter to watch the children.

Now lets imagine that the babysitter got hungry and went out to eat at the Tapas bar but popped back every 15 minutes to check the children.

How would you feel if the McCanns had then returned from their meal to find everything in uproar and their daughter had vanished?

Would you feel sorry for the babysitter? Would you want the babysitter punished to the full extent of the law for endangering those children? Would you watch the dogs alerting for blood and cadaver scent and just dismiss them as being unreliable, or would you wonder if the babysitter was covering something up? Would you believe in abduction even though there was no evidence to suggest it? Would you implicitly believe that everything the babysitter said was true? Would you understand if the babysitter refused to answer 48 questions under caution on the grounds that her solicitor told her to?

Do you see what I mean? Try to divorce yourself from the fact that it goes against the grain to imagine parents doing anything like this (although history shows that they sadly do :( ) and try to think impartially ... as if the babysitter had written this book
:flower:

I just seem to flit back and forth. I dont think they done anything deliberately but then I think if she did have an accident and died then they would want to cover it up as they could face a lot of trouble. I just swing back and forth, some parts of her book are very convincing and maybe as a mum this is why I think they didnt do anything.
There are some bits in the book I have never heard before.
Of course I would want the babysitter punished, I also think that social services should have been involved a lot more and I also believe that their image as doctors could of been the reason as to why they werent involved. Obviously if she did die through an accident they will still beat themselves up everyday for the rest of their lives for leaving her alone and to me thats a punishment all in itself. I dont think that Sean and Amelie should be taken away but I do think they should have a social worker in their lives. I dont know much about that so I am not sure how or when comes a point that they no longer need one, I doubt very much they will ever leave their kids alone again..
 
As for the letter it could be that it was written down, the Tapas bar only held about 15 people and they obviously wanted a table there to eat so they could see the apartment, they asked whether they could have a table every night and the receptonist wrote it down to give to the Tapas bar, maybe just maybe it was written down and stupidly left on the desk. Who knows..
 

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