paedo free speech!? ...

[Pixxie]

That's really disgusting

I do wonder though if maybe it is used for some kind of monitoring for the police? I doubt the police would let them sell it otherwise x

 

[annawrigley]

Yuck i read about this a couple of weeks ago, about amazon refusing to take it down off their site! (They have now)
I agree though about the police monitoring sales. Surely itd flash alarm bells and those people could be kept a close eye on, especially if they work with kids etc. Or would that be exploiting their freedom?

to smokey. i completely agree x

 

[Dragonfly]

I seen the book for sale as it appeared on a facebook page I was on, seen the comments of rage and then it was removed. I imagine its what it says it is on the cover. Dont people especially publisher look at books they publish? why and how could that be published? Its like that book I posted up here about displaining children that was pure child abuse thats still on sale! still disturbed from the extracts I seen from that book., Maybe some book publishers need the publicity that bad they would go this low.

 

[smokey]

From what I can understand it isnt actualy a published book, its an ebook that someone has written up themselfes and amazon do this thing where you can sell your unpublished works through them and people pay a fee to download a pdf format sort of thing straight to their computer.

So the problem is Amazon are just a middle man being used for advertising alone so unless they give out infomation ie ip adresses of downloaders which I doubt they would do seen as they are under the impression that free speach should be protect therefore they would have the same view on privay info there is very little to be traced.

The only other way to track buyers would be for the seller to give infomation such as email adresses or paypal accounts of those that have brought from him and again I doubt he would do that unless arrested and used it as part of a lighter sentance plea.

Again no one has published an actual book and I highly doubt a profesional publishers ever would (you can get private publishing but thats normaly only for a handfull of copies)

 

[Dragonfly]

Ah thanks for clearing that up I thought it was a published book. Wouldnt have shocked me after the other really published one that amazon has for sale there. I cant even remember the name but I dont want to remember it. Its sick though. And worrying.

 

[smokey]

The idea of it being a plant by police to monitor and trace who buys it is interesting as they have done things like that on chat rooms before ie a police officer poses as a 11 year old child and gets into a conversation with a adult and if the adult arranges a meet up the police then show up and arrest them.

But the problem with that is surely if it was a plant then it wouldnt actualy have the material contained within it that the media claimes it does ie the tips and advice as surely the police wouldnt risk releasing such material on the assumption that they can trace, monitor, and catch the buyer in time before they act on the advice within the book, can you imagine the headlines? "man molests child after advice given by police"
Daily mail would have a field day with that one so beacuse it actualy contains the sick material I dont think it is a plant to monitor the sales of it

 

[November1984]

Yes it is was an ebook they were selling that was self published -- the guy who wrote it also put out some other disturbing self published books.
It is however corporate responsibility if they are supplying it and making profits from it, thankfully they complied with the public outrage.

 

[smokey]

I think they only took it down because of the bad press it produced, im shocked that they took the view to refer to it as free speech and such and originaly refuse to take it down

 

[smokey]

I just realised the thing that scares me the most is the amount of publicity this book now has due to the media on this story means this guy has now reached a wider audiance and is going to make a fortune on this sick thing and the amount of potential offences this could now cause due to the amount of people that now know its out there and will want to buy it and go looking for it scares the hell out of me

 

[redpoppy]

I just realised the thing that scares me the most is the amount of publicity this book now has due to the media on this story means this guy has now reached a wider audiance and is going to make a fortune on this sick thing and the amount of potential offences this could now cause due to the amount of people that now know its out there and will want to buy it and go looking for it scares the hell out of me

I agree. but I do hope the police or CID or intelligence or whoever would be all over this too.

I remember going to hire a van and a guy was telling us about a workplace nearby where they (detectives) had located a computer where someone was downloading child stuff (I don't want to say the word. Is that odd? UURGH it's just horrific.) at work basically and they'd managed to isolate it to a minimal amount of computers, like six or something and they had to wait for a couple of months for the person to carry on downloading sot hey were sure who it was exactly. But they caught him.

I imagine whoever deals with this stuff will be all over it. I hope.

 

[smokey]

I just realised the thing that scares me the most is the amount of publicity this book now has due to the media on this story means this guy has now reached a wider audiance and is going to make a fortune on this sick thing and the amount of potential offences this could now cause due to the amount of people that now know its out there and will want to buy it and go looking for it scares the hell out of me

I agree. but I do hope the police or CID or intelligence or whoever would be all over this too.

I remember going to hire a van and a guy was telling us about a workplace nearby where they (detectives) had located a computer where someone was downloading child stuff (I don't want to say the word. Is that odd? UURGH it's just horrific.) at work basically and they'd managed to isolate it to a minimal amount of computers, like six or something and they had to wait for a couple of months for the person to carry on downloading sot hey were sure who it was exactly. But they caught him.

I imagine whoever deals with this stuff will be all over it. I hope.

I realy hope so but the sad thing is as one of the news sites said its not actualy illigal because it contains no graphics so there isnt actualy anything the police can arrest anyone for untill they commit an act or supply actual pictures.
The guy who released this book has actualy looked at all loopholes and seems to be actualy a very cunning and devious person, great just what we need around our children.

 

[redpoppy]

I just realised the thing that scares me the most is the amount of publicity this book now has due to the media on this story means this guy has now reached a wider audiance and is going to make a fortune on this sick thing and the amount of potential offences this could now cause due to the amount of people that now know its out there and will want to buy it and go looking for it scares the hell out of me

I agree. but I do hope the police or CID or intelligence or whoever would be all over this too.

I remember going to hire a van and a guy was telling us about a workplace nearby where they (detectives) had located a computer where someone was downloading child stuff (I don't want to say the word. Is that odd? UURGH it's just horrific.) at work basically and they'd managed to isolate it to a minimal amount of computers, like six or something and they had to wait for a couple of months for the person to carry on downloading sot hey were sure who it was exactly. But they caught him.

I imagine whoever deals with this stuff will be all over it. I hope.

I realy hope so but the sad thing is as one of the news sites said its not actualy illigal because it contains no graphics so there isnt actualy anything the police can arrest anyone for untill they commit an act or supply actual pictures.
The guy who released this book has actualy looked at all loopholes and seems to be actualy a very cunning and devious person, great just what we need around our children.

He's not that dutch guy who started a political party in the netherlands for paedos is he? I remember seeing a documentary about him too and it was very disturbing and he was doing everything "legally"

The thing is you'd have to keep an eye on people like that... Whether it's legal or not. If they're justifying it and thinking there's nothing wrong with it, even if they are cunning they may very likely slip up.

 

[Justagirlxx]

F*** free speech in this case. I am usually all for it. This is a different ballgame. This is teaching people to rape children. They should burn in hell.

 

[Justagirlxx]

"The book's author, listed as Phillip R Greaves 2nd, argues that paedophiles are misunderstood and suggests establishing rules and advice to help them abide by the law."

Here's some advice... Don't go anywhere near children you sick SOB

 

[Dopeyjopey]

They couldn't arrest anyone for buying it. Especially after the press coverage - people will buy it out of curiosity to see just how bad it is. They'll probably be horrified by it too.

 

[crossroads]

Someones probably already said this but the illegal nature of incitement to commit a criminal act can trump freedom of speech.

 

[midori1999]

I don't agree with the book and I wouldn't have bought from Amazon again if they hadn't withdrawn it from sale. It's vile.

That said, I don't think paedophiles can help who they are attracted to, any more than hetro or homo sexuals can help who they are attracted to. However, they can make a conscious decision not to act on it and they can seek help.

 

[~RedLily~]

Disgusting!
F**k freedom of speech

 

[proudestdad]

Bear with me... This isnt as bad as it sounds to start out!

When I did my degree at university I proposed building a "kiddie fiddler" website as my final year project (dicitation). The university told me they couldn't possibly condone it.

My intentions were actually to set up a site to "entice" the sicko's to browse the site, and then sting them in the form of a visit from the police. I had planned to log IP addresses combined with timestamps (the requirements to trace a user) and then, with co-operation of the police and ISPs, allow the police to identify the freaks and go and arrest them.

An IP address can be used by multiple people over time, but only by one person (one router actually) at a time, hence requiring timestamps. ISPs all log IP designations, so they have the ability to identify which internet user was using an IP at a given time. This would enable the police to go and "have a word".

When I proposed the idea, the uni staff basically got scared in case someone thought they were condoning a peado site, and refused to let me do it.

I hate the fact that political correctness and politics in general help protect these f**king sicko's.

I firmly believe that if guilt can be proven without doubt, these freaks should receive a sentence of death - preferably cruel and unusual, like what they put children through.

It's disgusting. End of rant.

 

[redpoppy]

I understand your sentiment but i also understand how setting up a child porn website is totally wrong on every level. But the police do keep tabs on ones out there.