parents who dont vaccinate your babies??

[Tasha]

I pick and chose what is right for my baby/family. Like if I have a full-term baby then they wont be having the vitamin k purely because I have soooooo many clotting disorders that make my blood really sticky (the cause of my loses and my DVT) and as such my baby has at least 50% chance of inheriting one, some or all of them (I say at least because my husband isnt tested) and therefore for us the risk of having it outweigh the risks of not. It looks like I will will have a preemie baby though, in which case I need to research and my choice may well be different.


We will privately pay for chicken pox vax as one of my LO's had a really bad case in which it affected her breathing and both her and my cousin have reactive arthritis due to chicken pox, so for us not vaxing will be a bigger risk.

 

[LuckyYem]

Both of my girls' have had all of their vaccines. I have had mumps 3 times - I'm not immune to it as I have only ever had it on the left hand side. The last time was about 12yrs ago I have honestly never felt so ill! My mum caught the virus from me and is now deaf in one ear as a result. An old work friends little boy is totally deaf as a complication from Chicken pox.

 

[xCookieDoughx]

For me personally I will give DS all but mmr. My little brother was a perfectly healthy and developing child until he had it twice and he just regressed from there until he was diagnosed with autism. I know it is something that many don't believe in because it does sound ridiculous that a jab can give you a mental illness but I do have to look at the proof in front of me. To watch my perfect little brother go from being able to say mummy/daddy/dani/dog/etc etc to saying nothing, screaming all the time, not being able to feed himself, he's still in nappies!!! There is no way I'm risking that happening to my son.

Yes the research into autism and mmr might have been dismissed but doing my own research and listening to the doctors that were stripped if their medical licences for believing it, I do honestly believe that the mmr causes autism in children with abnormal gut/bowel cells. So it's happened once in my family, I'm not going to make it twice....

 

[Bean66]

The other thing I wish to point out is that as a nurse in training I would not want to do my job if I knew what I was doing wasnt right. I joined medicine to help people not make them sick and Im pretty sure people within the health care sector all feel this way. Of course some are out to profit themselves but most care deeply about the people they are treating

I'm still on the fence re:vaccinations so this trend is very interesting to me.

With regard to your point, it's true but the many people in natural health who don't vaccinate feel the same. There are also orthodox doctors who choose not to vax and natural health people who do.

My friend is a GP but her training has taught her that vax are good and she trusts that. She has never done any research herself. She also openly admits that her GP practice (and assume all) get paid for every vac they administer. This doesn't seem like good practice to me.

As I said I can see the pros/cons to both sides. I hate the idea of vaccinating my LO but not sure if I can not vax. I'm going to look into the delayed schedule.

As a side note - many people in the whooping cough outbreak had been vaccinated. Also I'm currently looking into TB and if the cases in my area 77% had received the bcg. Everything is not as clear cut as it seems.

 

[BlueHadeda]

I have never understood the staunch pro/anti vaccine line. The vaccines are all different formulas with different ingredients, made by different companies, to prevent diseases with huge differences in severity. I think you have to look at vaccines one by one, not as a whole.

We did not get the newborn Hep B vaccine. My one day old does not need protection against a disease that is primarily transmitted through sexual contact or shared needles. We will get it, but not until much later.

We will not get the flu vaccine. They rush it through screening and no one knows the long term effects. Every other drug is still in the experimental stage when this vaccine is being injected into millions. On the risk/benefit scale, it's far too much of a risk for me.

We will not get the chicken pox vaccine unless she has not had it by thirteen years old. Honestly, the chicken pox is not much of a threat to children, only adults.

Every other vaccine she is getting. With our next, I will probably do more of a delayed vaccine schedule.

I think if you're going to use the word 'irresponsible' about either side of the argument, you need to realize that it would be irresponsible for you and yours. I know very few people who take this decision lightly. You are injecting chemicals into a developing child. It's one of the most serious decisions we make.

I agree with the hep b. I was so upset about not being able to research at the hospital and the pediatrician talked me into it. For her second one we had switched pediatricians because we moved and he didn't want to give it to her and explained it wasn't necessary right now unless we had been at risk, and we hadn't. I do think chicken pox vaccine is important though as if you have had chicken pox you can later get shingles which can really mess you up. I know someone who lost part of her sight and nerve damage from shingles.

Did you know that you can still get shingles even if you've been vaccinated against chickenpox? In fact, some studies seem to conclude that there may even be an increase in shingles amongst the elderly, as more and more people are vaccinated. I think one reason for this is that when an immune person came across wild chickenpox, it boosted their immunity, which meant better protection against shingles when you're older. With more children being vaccinated, our immune systems aren't "boosted" anymore on a regular basis, thus leading to more instances of shingles.

 

[BlueHadeda]

Some people on this site has implied or said outright, that vaxers have the right to blame unvaxers for not protecting their children by herd immunity. I'm a vaxer, but I've wondered if those people has even thought about the opposite being true as well?

To explain: In a perfect world as mother nature intended it, babies was protected via breastmilk. The mom's immunity excreted into the breastmilk, and everyone did extended breastfeeding until toddlerhood. Once they stopped breastfeeding, their immunity waned, and during age 5-15, these children would be exposed and immunised (by getting the illness) against all the childhood diseases. Before age 5, when it's dangerous to a child to get for example measles, he would be protected. When he reaches adulthood, when it's dangerous again, he would already have been exposed to the disease and built the necessary immunity. Then, for the rest of his life, he would regularly come into contact with said disease, via his children, family's children, community's children, etc. This would boost his immunity every time and make sure immunity doesn't wane. Keeping him safe during adulthood and most importantly, when he's elderly.

Now, vaccinations have messed this process up. Because it's not natural immunity anymore, it doesn't always excrete as it should've, in breastmilk. And the child isn't left unprotected during age 5-15, when it's the optimal time to get this diseases (least dangerous). Then you also don't come into contact with loads of cases of this disease anymore as an adult, that would've boosted your immunity. So when you're elderly, your immunity might've waned, leaving you vulnerable.

So for an unvaxed parent, you vaccinating your children might be problematic. Because her child won't be exposed as it should anymore, leaving them vulnerable at the wrong times of their lives. So you vaccinating, influence their children, just as they not vaccinating, influence your children.

I vaccinate, but I did consider this scenario, and it's one of the (less important) reasons I do vaccinate. I feel forced into it by society that vaccinate! Because their children wouldn't boost my children's immunity as it should've anymore. I feel guilty for "dropping" those that stand by their convictions to not vaccinate.

 

[tina3747]

Some people on this site has implied or said outright, that vaxers have the right to blame unvaxers for not protecting their children by herd immunity. I'm a vaxer, but I've wondered if those people has even thought about the opposite being true as well?

To explain: In a perfect world as mother nature intended it, babies was protected via breastmilk. The mom's immunity excreted into the breastmilk, and everyone did extended breastfeeding until toddlerhood. Once they stopped breastfeeding, their immunity waned, and during age 5-15, these children would be exposed and immunised (by getting the illness) against all the childhood diseases. Before age 5, when it's dangerous to a child to get for example measles, he would be protected. When he reaches adulthood, when it's dangerous again, he would already have been exposed to the disease and built the necessary immunity. Then, for the rest of his life, he would regularly come into contact with said disease, via his children, family's children, community's children, etc. This would boost his immunity every time and make sure immunity doesn't wane. Keeping him safe during adulthood and most importantly, when he's elderly.

Now, vaccinations have messed this process up. Because it's not natural immunity anymore, it doesn't always excrete as it should've, in breastmilk. And the child isn't left unprotected during age 5-15, when it's the optimal time to get this diseases (least dangerous). Then you also don't come into contact with loads of cases of this disease anymore as an adult, that would've boosted your immunity. So when you're elderly, your immunity might've waned, leaving you vulnerable.

So for an unvaxed parent, you vaccinating your children might be problematic. Because her child won't be exposed as it should anymore, leaving them vulnerable at the wrong times of their lives. So you vaccinating, influence their children, just as they not vaccinating, influence your children.

I vaccinate, but I did consider this scenario, and it's one of the (less important) reasons I do vaccinate. I feel forced into it by society that vaccinate! Because their children wouldn't boost my children's immunity as it should've anymore. I feel guilty for "dropping" those that stand by their convictions to not vaccinate.

Fab post!! A good way of looking at it.

 

[pinklightbulb]

Also agree with this post, very well thought-out.

 

[Bex84]

Some people on this site has implied or said outright, that vaxers have the right to blame unvaxers for not protecting their children by herd immunity. I'm a vaxer, but I've wondered if those people has even thought about the opposite being true as well?

To explain: In a perfect world as mother nature intended it, babies was protected via breastmilk. The mom's immunity excreted into the breastmilk, and everyone did extended breastfeeding until toddlerhood. Once they stopped breastfeeding, their immunity waned, and during age 5-15, these children would be exposed and immunised (by getting the illness) against all the childhood diseases. Before age 5, when it's dangerous to a child to get for example measles, he would be protected. When he reaches adulthood, when it's dangerous again, he would already have been exposed to the disease and built the necessary immunity. Then, for the rest of his life, he would regularly come into contact with said disease, via his children, family's children, community's children, etc. This would boost his immunity every time and make sure immunity doesn't wane. Keeping him safe during adulthood and most importantly, when he's elderly.

Now, vaccinations have messed this process up. Because it's not natural immunity anymore, it doesn't always excrete as it should've, in breastmilk. And the child isn't left unprotected during age 5-15, when it's the optimal time to get this diseases (least dangerous). Then you also don't come into contact with loads of cases of this disease anymore as an adult, that would've boosted your immunity. So when you're elderly, your immunity might've waned, leaving you vulnerable.

So for an unvaxed parent, you vaccinating your children might be problematic. Because her child won't be exposed as it should anymore, leaving them vulnerable at the wrong times of their lives. So you vaccinating, influence their children, just as they not vaccinating, influence your children.

I vaccinate, but I did consider this scenario, and it's one of the (less important) reasons I do vaccinate. I feel forced into it by society that vaccinate! Because their children wouldn't boost my children's immunity as it should've anymore. I feel guilty for "dropping" those that stand by their convictions to not vaccinate.

interesting post, to be honest i think vaccination is a personal choice and i wouldent judge those who dont vaccinate. As i said the main reason i vaccinate is that historically many of these diseases were killers. Child mortality was alot higher though obviosly there is better medicine now if your child gets ill. Alot of people i know ended up having mmr when we went to university as unvaccinated and there was people getting ill with these illnesses due to when we were of the age to get them lots of parents not vaccinating then people living in close quarters together people were more suseptable. We arnt offered chicken pox vaccine here. Weirdly my lo was exposed when a friends little boy had it before spots and she didnt catch, all her friends came down with it (i do bf so whether that made a difference i dont know)
I have to say i believe each to there own. I regularly get judged for breast feeding and co sleeping so i dont want to judge others

 

[overcomer79]

I have a friend who is strongly anti-vax. She says her kids are healthier for it...making me out to be bad mom of the year once again. I should also point out that those kids never ever ever leave her house either. She is a stay at home mom and they aren't even around other kids at all. So my question to her is how does that show that they are healthier because they aren't vax. Or are they healthier because they are at home all the time?

I could honestly care less what someone else does with their children. If I had a child with a compromised immune system, I highly doubt I would be letting them go around many kids anyway. My dad does his best to avoid public places..so why wouldn't I do the same for an immune compromised child?

My kids have/will have all their vaccines. Here they didn't give the vit K unless extreme circumstances. I did give consent for Hep B as well. I honestly didn't want to have to remember that it wasn't given as bad as my mind has been lately.

I have done research and when we had to talk to the kids' dr about my husband's problem with work, he showed us he knew what he was talking about. He did state risk factors but was also confident that they were minimal. It still didn't want to stop me from slapping Dh for his obsessive worrying!

 

[Andypanda6570]

My boys are big now, but all were vaccinated and will continue to be ..

 

[kit10grl]

I have a friend who is strongly anti-vax. She says her kids are healthier for it...making me out to be bad mom of the year once again. I should also point out that those kids never ever ever leave her house either. She is a stay at home mom and they aren't even around other kids at all. So my question to her is how does that show that they are healthier because they aren't vax. Or are they healthier because they are at home all the time?

I could honestly care less what someone else does with their children. If I had a child with a compromised immune system, I highly doubt I would be letting them go around many kids anyway. My dad does his best to avoid public places..so why wouldn't I do the same for an immune compromised child?

My kids have/will have all their vaccines. Here they didn't give the vit K unless extreme circumstances. I did give consent for Hep B as well. I honestly didn't want to have to remember that it wasn't given as bad as my mind has been lately.

I have done research and when we had to talk to the kids' dr about my husband's problem with work, he showed us he knew what he was talking about. He did state risk factors but was also confident that they were minimal. It still didn't want to stop me from slapping Dh for his obsessive worrying!

This sounds strange to me. I figured (maybe wronlgy) most who didnt vaccinate were confident in having their children build up immunity naturally? Surely by just keeping them completly away from germs this will result in a weaker immune system as the body wont have a chance to build immunity at all either naturally or thru vax. So eventualkly when these kids leave the house (school etc assuming they have to leave eventually) they will just suddenly end up really sick and catch everyhting going all at once. which can happen anyway for vaxed kids too when thye go to school as they are exposed to lots of new things.

On the flip side of not taking out an immune compromised child, it wouldnt always be possible to keep them completly away form other children. Not without compromising quality of life for the family. My daughter gets sick a lot due to her syndrome. So in theory i should never take her out to help her. But she is developmentally delayed due to so much time in hospital so i want to help her develop mentally by going places and seeing things. And even if i didnt she has so many outpatiens appointments that we are in the kids dept of the hospital at least once a week so there are sitll germs there. And if i went down the route of trying to keep her away from other kids i would have to keep her away from my toddler too. And he woudlnt be allowed to go out either to reduce germs he might bring home. Is it fair he should miss out on playgroups and classes he alwyas went to in case his sister gets sick? I understand how pareant os on immune compromised child might want to do this ( id love to protect her from every germ going) but its not always the most practical thing to manage.

I vaxed her to try and reduce symptoms when she does get sick but i also need to accept with a toddler in the house she will get sick and he deserves to have a life outside my flat too.

not that i am judging anyone who would stay home, its just not what i feel is right for us

 

[overcomer79]

I have a friend who is strongly anti-vax. She says her kids are healthier for it...making me out to be bad mom of the year once again. I should also point out that those kids never ever ever leave her house either. She is a stay at home mom and they aren't even around other kids at all. So my question to her is how does that show that they are healthier because they aren't vax. Or are they healthier because they are at home all the time?

I could honestly care less what someone else does with their children. If I had a child with a compromised immune system, I highly doubt I would be letting them go around many kids anyway. My dad does his best to avoid public places..so why wouldn't I do the same for an immune compromised child?

My kids have/will have all their vaccines. Here they didn't give the vit K unless extreme circumstances. I did give consent for Hep B as well. I honestly didn't want to have to remember that it wasn't given as bad as my mind has been lately.

I have done research and when we had to talk to the kids' dr about my husband's problem with work, he showed us he knew what he was talking about. He did state risk factors but was also confident that they were minimal. It still didn't want to stop me from slapping Dh for his obsessive worrying!

This sounds strange to me. I figured (maybe wronlgy) most who didnt vaccinate were confident in having their children build up immunity naturally? Surely by just keeping them completly away from germs this will result in a weaker immune system as the body wont have a chance to build immunity at all either naturally or thru vax. So eventualkly when these kids leave the house (school etc assuming they have to leave eventually) they will just suddenly end up really sick and catch everyhting going all at once. which can happen anyway for vaxed kids too when thye go to school as they are exposed to lots of new things.

On the flip side of not taking out an immune compromised child, it wouldnt always be possible to keep them completly away form other children. Not without compromising quality of life for the family. My daughter gets sick a lot due to her syndrome. So in theory i should never take her out to help her. But she is developmentally delayed due to so much time in hospital so i want to help her develop mentally by going places and seeing things. And even if i didnt she has so many outpatiens appointments that we are in the kids dept of the hospital at least once a week so there are sitll germs there. And if i went down the route of trying to keep her away from other kids i would have to keep her away from my toddler too. And he woudlnt be allowed to go out either to reduce germs he might bring home. Is it fair he should miss out on playgroups and classes he alwyas went to in case his sister gets sick? I understand how pareant os on immune compromised child might want to do this ( id love to protect her from every germ going) but its not always the most practical thing to manage.

I vaxed her to try and reduce symptoms when she does get sick but i also need to accept with a toddler in the house she will get sick and he deserves to have a life outside my flat too.

not that i am judging anyone who would stay home, its just not what i feel is right for us

she intends to home school.

I just meant I would limit contact...the child could have friends but I would be very weary.

 

[Scottish mum]

Some people on this site has implied or said outright, that vaxers have the right to blame unvaxers for not protecting their children by herd immunity. I'm a vaxer, but I've wondered if those people has even thought about the opposite being true as well?

To explain: In a perfect world as mother nature intended it, babies
was protected via breastmilk. The
mom's immunity excreted into the
breastmilk, and everyone did
extended breastfeeding until
toddlerhood. Once they stopped
breastfeeding, their immunity
waned, and during age 5-15, these
children would be exposed and
immunised (by getting the illness)
against all the childhood diseases.
Before age 5, when it's dangerous
to a child to get for example
measles, he would be protected.
When he reaches adulthood, when
it's dangerous again, he would
already have been exposed to the
disease and built the necessary
immunity. Then, for the rest of his
life, he would regularly come into
contact with said disease, via his
children, family's children,
community's children, etc. This
would boost his immunity every
time and make sure immunity
doesn't wane. Keeping him safe
during adulthood and most
importantly, when he's elderly.

Now, vaccinations have messed this process up. Because it's not natural immunity anymore, it doesn't always excrete as it should've, in breastmilk. And the
child isn't left unprotected during
age 5-15, when it's the optimal
time to get this diseases (least
dangerous). Then you also don't
come into contact with loads of
cases of this disease anymore as
an adult, that would've boosted
your immunity. So when you're
elderly, your immunity might've
waned, leaving you vulnerable.

So for an unvaxed parent, you vaccinating your children might be problematic. Because her child won't be exposed as it should anymore, leaving them vulnerable at the wrong times of their lives.
So you vaccinating, influence
their children, just as they not
vaccinating, influence your
children

I vaccinate, but I did consider this scenario, and it's one of the (less important) reasons I do vaccinate. I feel forced into it by society that vaccinate! Because their children wouldn't boost my children's
immunity as it should've anymore. I
feel guilty for "dropping" those that
stand by their convictions to not
vaccinate.

I think for some this might be the right theory but if you go back centuries people were dieing young they wouldn't make it into there 20s, 30s because of the diseases we are discussing! Then came medicine/ vaccines!

 

[CMarie]

For those mamas that don't vaccinate, do any of you do it for religious reasons?

 

[Feronia]

Some people on this site has implied or said outright, that vaxers have the right to blame unvaxers for not protecting their children by herd immunity. I'm a vaxer, but I've wondered if those people has even thought about the opposite being true as well?

To explain: In a perfect world as mother nature intended it, babies was protected via breastmilk. The mom's immunity excreted into the breastmilk, and everyone did extended breastfeeding until toddlerhood. Once they stopped breastfeeding, their immunity waned, and during age 5-15, these children would be exposed and immunised (by getting the illness) against all the childhood diseases. Before age 5, when it's dangerous to a child to get for example measles, he would be protected. When he reaches adulthood, when it's dangerous again, he would already have been exposed to the disease and built the necessary immunity. Then, for the rest of his life, he would regularly come into contact with said disease, via his children, family's children, community's children, etc. This would boost his immunity every time and make sure immunity doesn't wane. Keeping him safe during adulthood and most importantly, when he's elderly.

Now, vaccinations have messed this process up. Because it's not natural immunity anymore, it doesn't always excrete as it should've, in breastmilk. And the child isn't left unprotected during age 5-15, when it's the optimal time to get this diseases (least dangerous). Then you also don't come into contact with loads of cases of this disease anymore as an adult, that would've boosted your immunity. So when you're elderly, your immunity might've waned, leaving you vulnerable.

So for an unvaxed parent, you vaccinating your children might be problematic. Because her child won't be exposed as it should anymore, leaving them vulnerable at the wrong times of their lives. So you vaccinating, influence their children, just as they not vaccinating, influence your children.

I vaccinate, but I did consider this scenario, and it's one of the (less important) reasons I do vaccinate. I feel forced into it by society that vaccinate! Because their children wouldn't boost my children's immunity as it should've anymore. I feel guilty for "dropping" those that stand by their convictions to not vaccinate.

Excellent post and well said. This is one of the reasons I don't vaccinate but I was way too tired to try to explain all of this. I am fully vaccinated, and I wish I wasn't so I could be giving LO natural immunity to some of these illnesses. I'm sure that plenty of my vaccines have worn off, though, so perhaps I've come into contact with something. Since injected vaccines bypass mucous membranes and go directly into the bloodstream, you can't pass on vaccinated immunity through breastmilk but you can pass on natural immunity.

Quick aside, this study shows that breastmilk contains high levels of antibodies that may help protect children from four childhood diseases in particular, including whooping cough. Assumedly you would have to have natural immunity to these diseases to pass on the antibodies. So while breastmilk cannot fully protect your children from catching diseases (same with vaccination), it certainly helps.

 

[LoraLoo]

Those of you that do not vaccinate, I'm wondering if your opinion would change if your child became really poorly from a childhood illness, or even worse? Do you think if that happened you would vaccinate your next child or would your opinion still be the same?

 

[CMarie]

Those of you that do not vaccinate, I'm wondering if your opinion would change if your child became really poorly from a childhood illness, or even worse? Do you think if that happened you would vaccinate your next child or would your opinion still be the same?

My opinion would still be the same

 

[LoraLoo]

Those of you that do not vaccinate, I'm wondering if your opinion would change if your child became really poorly from a childhood illness, or even worse? Do you think if that happened you would vaccinate your next child or would your opinion still be the same?

My opinion would still be the same

Thanks for replying. I will be honest, this is something I find very difficult to get my head round. To see your child suffer or even die from something that could have been prevented, but to then take not vaccinate against that illness next time round is something I struggle to grasp, but I do appreciate that we all have own views and we all parent differently.

 

[CMarie]

Those of you that do not vaccinate, I'm wondering if your opinion would change if your child became really poorly from a childhood illness, or even worse? Do you think if that happened you would vaccinate your next child or would your opinion still be the same?

My opinion would still be the same

Thanks for replying. I will be honest, this is something I find very difficult to get my head round. To see your child suffer or even die from something that could have been prevented, but to then take not vaccinate against that illness next time round is something I struggle to grasp, but I do appreciate that we all have own views and we all parent differently.

Thanks for being respectful of my opinion To be honest, I don't believe vaccines work and that's why I feel the way I do. Of course I would be devasted if I lost my son to something like that, as any mother would, but I don't believe that vaccines could be the one thing that saves him. My cousin listened to doctor's advice and thought she was doing the best thing for her unborn daughter when she got the H1N1 vaccine . . 2 days later she got sick with H1N1 and lost her daughter despite having a healthy pregnancy.

It's been said on here before, you need to weigh the pros and cons of vaccines yourself and determine what's best for your child. I will most likely never change my mind about vaccines, and I could never knowingly get my son or any other child I have vaccinated after knowing what I know about them and even knowing the unknowns around them.