Sperm Analysis - 5% normal morphology Kruger criteria??

[noelle1979]

Hi all

I have had my DH's sperm analysis back and it all looks above average other than the sperm morphology of 5%. It is based on the Kruger strict critera. I know new criteria was released in 2009 but my FS said that anything over 85% abnormal is sub fertilty.... yet the new released guidance states anything above 4% is fine.

All of this is so worrying - can any of you shed any light on your own experience?

Worried!!!

 

[chanel]

the kruger is stricter, if they said 4% is fine then it is fine... plus if he has above average number of sperm then 5% of that will be more than enough to get you pregnant but if he had a low number of sperm in total then %5 of that would be a lot less iyswim.

I reckon he is just fine... good luck x

 

[noelle1979]

Well now devastated. Just spoke to FS who told me that the abnormal is too high and that the ideal is 15%. The private clinic where we tested said 4% was normal - husband gutted and we don't know who to believe... don't know where to turn xx

 

[michelleann]

My OH SA results showed 25% Motility and 0% Morphology ... yep zero! please bare in mind that a lot of things effect morphology.....prescribed drugs (pain killers, ibuprofen etc) alcohol, smoking not enough vits etc

If you haven't already please try putting him on a multivit or Fertilaid which has a lot of anti oxydents, Zinc and Vit C....all the things needed to produce normal sperms. it will take 3 months for the Vits to kick in .... Ferilaid has proven to boost numbers and morphology by 40-60%

One of the ladies on her has just got her BFP and her hubby had a Morphology of 4% .... she put him on a high Zind and Vit C multivit and 3 months later she's pregnant.

I wish you lots of luck and baby dust .... if you want to chat feel free to email me as we are going through the exact same thing - [email protected]

xx

 

[hollyhopeful2]

I don't know which criteria my husband's doctor used, but his morphology is 7%. The doctor said it should be 30 - 50%. So my guess is he didn't use the Kruger one. We are pretty devastated. He recently quit smoking and will start on a multi vitamin...I'm considering fertilaid. We've been ttc for 8 months - I'm 39 and he's 35. Guess we'll see..

Good luck to you!

 

[Mrs. Bear]

My husband's was 4%. My regular ob/gyn said it was a problem but my RE wasn't concerned about it at all. DH cut back on alcohol and hot baths anyway to improve things overall though.

I think ideally it would be higher but with the strict criteria you will probably be ok, especially if count and motility are above average. 4% of 70 million is better than 25% of 10 million after all.

 

[noelle1979]

Hollyhopeful2 - that is above average on the Kruger model, I just wish they would all use the same one! The specialist that performed the analysis said that I am worrying and not to worry but the specialist sees it as a big problem. I have posted on to a sperm specialist on Fertility Zone.co.uk - I will come back to you. My husband has decided to cut down on alcohol too and I am pumping him full of vitamins. They also recommeded abstaining until peak on CBFM/OPKs - maybe that is an idea too?! I just wonder how many couples do not realise and it happens natuarally, they think sperm quality is declining due to lifestyle but even if the Kruger model is saying 5% is normal - that seems like a very, very low number. Our saving grace is that his total count is 50 milliion... the average is 40 and 49% progressive .

 

[sugarlove]

Hi we've got a similar problem. Hubby's morph came back at 3%, but count 67 million and good motility. The Doctor who gave him the results back didn't seem too concerned and said that the norm is 4%, so he's just below it. She said to repeat the test, but there was nothing to indicate that he woldn't be able to get me pg.

We then paid privately to see a FS, who said that this is far too low, and that if the next sample doesn't improve, he would be recommending IVF.
We were told the opposite re abstaining. He recommended BDing every 3-3 days to ensure there's always a healthy supply. He also said to cut back on alcohol, and that vitamins didn't make a difference! I don't believe this, so hubby is taking Wellman conception vitamins, and I'm feeding him lots of seeds.

I wish they'd all bloody say the same thing!

Please let me know if you get a reply from fertility zone. Mu hubby is worrying himself sick over this, and it's put a huge dampner on Xmas for us both. He's been totally off the booze for over 2 weeks, but had a few pints last night, bless him

Good luck
x

 

[chanel]

funny how the private consultant said you would need ivf but the NHS said you wouldn't!
to get the best result your dh should abstain for 3-4 days before his test and also bd regular throughout the month to keep the swimmers healthy

I recommend wellman conception tablets and vit C for the men.. good luck x

Oh and your DH's have plenty sperm there so no need to worry to much about only having 3 or 4% morphology.. have you been trying long?

 

[sugarlove]

Got pg fairly quickly in feb, but ended in mc. No joy since then, but my progesterone levels are low and I'm waiting for a lap to investigate some pains.
Cheers for the advice
X

 

[chanel]

I got pg first month of trying in 2008 but had mmc, just kept on trying and fell pregnant last December and have a baby boy...

I was told i was in peri-menopause and DHs results were worse than those mentioned... which is why i say your DHs results are really not that bad, after all.. it only takes one

PS i was 35 at the time!

 

[sugarlove]

thanks. That gives me hope I'm 35 and hubby is 43. Will see what happens with his next SA after Xmas
x

 

[noelle1979]

We had the opposite opinions... NHS told us it was too low and we would need to be referred for IVF and the private said it was fine.. but to me 95% abnormal sperm is too low?? All of the confusion is so upsetting, my other half is crushed and seeing him like this is crushing me. I have booked a private retest, the last one was Sept and he takes all the right vits although I hear Omega 3 is important for morphology so worth you all looking at that. I will definitely wait to hear back from Fertility Zone and come back to you.. when I heard the words IVF I freaked, its not what you expect and you do not think it will be you do you? Apparently there is not much point in IUI but the recommendation is to go straight for the IVF. We have been trying 11 months, I am fine but something tells me that with 95% abnormal sperm I will be waiting a long time! xxx

 

[sugarlove]

Might give the omega a go too for hubby! You'd think the private would know more about it? Was it a FS?

All I know is that I still got pg in Feb with supposed crap sperm, so who knows?

I think the problem now is more me with the low progesterone and suspected endo.

Good luck
x

 

[mrsessex]

My hubby had a sperm count of 9 million in October 70% motility though and good sperm...but numbers low.

He is a post vasectomy reversal guy (OP done in aug this year) and hoping the numbers go up

Our surgeon told us vitamins make NO difference to sperm what so ever... but im not convinced even though our surgeon is a very successful doctor..somehow i think taking vits cant hurt so my hubby is now on Wellman Conception as of last week

We've been ttc'ing 3 cycles now (this being our 3rd) and hope to be up the duff within a year as i fell preg straight away before...so this is kinda weird to me

Good luck girls..and YES it only takes ONE

 

[floofymad]

I don't really believe the various FS that vitamins don't work. Have seen so many people on here get a massive improvement with a SA after taking loads of vits....

 

[hollyhopeful2]

It feels so good that I'm not alone!! My dh is also crushed...he honestly thought the SA was a waste of time.....

I've also read that sperm take 3 months to cycle; that something in your lifestyle 3 months ago can affect your sperm now....our doctor also said there was nothing my dh could do for the morphology issue; his count is around 39 million and motility is slightly below average. The doctor stressed that he was NOT sterile...but it would be alot harder to concieve. I felt like I had a punch in the gut when the doctor said he was sorry.

Dh was also advised not to bd 3 days before his SA. We've been ttc for 8 months now. It sucks.

Anxiously awaiting news on you ladies....best of luck!

 

[noelle1979]

Chanel - congrats... its great to hear success stories. I was saying to my DH, we only know this because we went to find out, I am sure there are many that get pregnant without even knowing this is the case.

I have been recommended Fetilaid a number of times, Omega 3 oils also Pycnogenol & Lycopene - both antioxidents.

It is strange because my husband enjoys a beer most nights and when we go out he does like a few more! I have been nagging him for years about it and it has finally hit home that my nagging was not me being a woman but for a reason... also read an article about Zoe Ball and Norman Cook - he gave up alcohol and she fell pregnant.. its all about lifestyle.

I will feedback anything else I hear. I am all over the place at the moment, although his count and everything else high, the FS said the words IVF and I went into shock. I just did not expect it to be us and would rather it was me with the issue... I think us women handle it better xx

 

[pk2of8]

hi girls, i hope you don't mind if i join this conversation. we just got dh's sa results back last weekend. turns out he has very low count. 5.5 mil/ml. our lab used the WHO standards??? it said that morph better than 30% was normal and dh's was 36% ??? all of this is so hard to understand. we haven't consulted with a specialist yet b/c we moved a few months ago and don't have a new established doctor yet. also dh's motility was 5% rapid progression and 65% slow progression, (so 70% total progression) which put him in the normal range, but i can't help but feel those numbers aren't very good either. ugh. it's all so complicated. dh seems to be handling it well so far...he's agreed to try iui if our insurance covers it, but i'm almost positive our insurance won't cover ivf, which really has me discouraged if that's what the doc will recommend b/c we can't afford ivf out of pocket.

it's just so discouraging to think now we won't have a chance at conceiving without medical intervention. oh, i forgot to mention, i've had dh on fertileaid for 1 month now. just started 2nd bottle. i also have him taking count boost, and motility boost (made by the same company as fertileaid), and flaxseed oil plus a normal multi-vit. he complained at first, but now that we have the sa results back, he reminds me that he needs them! i don't know if the vits work or not, but i figure if nothing else it won't hurt anything, and he's getting loads of vit C and other antioxidants that will keep him from getting sick anyway.

otherwise, he's stopped wearing the sports underwear...trying to get him into boxers at least a few days a week. he prefers the boxer briefs, so we'll see. also trying to get him to stop sitting with the laptop on his lap...to at least have some kind of barrier. that's the hardest so far. what do you girls think of my dh's results tho?? i'd appreciate your feedback...

 

[noelle1979]

I have just read an article that encourages men to ejaculate every 2 days and to eat goji berries. A women wrote about her OH and saw his count on all parameters raise significantly.. worth thinking about. Hear great things about Ferilaid!