Spouses with low sperm count.

Thank you lbm2009 :hugs:

I know we will get the weight off and get the treatment, I suppose I'm just impatient! I knew the results would be bad, I never dreamt it would be this bad.

But, like you, its time to focus on the positives, there are sperm there and it will be all worth it in the end.

I hope your diet is going well, at least its the summer so lots of salad is ok!

xxx
 
Oh yes I'm living off salad I feel like bugs bunny! Did you say your partner also has to loose weight? I've never had this mentioned I think he's just classed as overweight but if it's the case he needs to loose a few pound he should start now. In the uk they have only ever told me to loose weight and they have only ever done two sa's on my husband and told us to come back when my bmi is lower. Hopefully it'll take me 2 months to loose this last stone. I hope there is just a blockage.
 
Hello Ladies - I have a question ... how much does your hubby's sperm count fluctuate?
We are from 6 million to 21 million to 6 million :(
 
To be honest I have no idea how much it can fluctuate but that seems like a massive variation. I might do some research though as this does give me some hope.

With the weight, we have been told that for IVF I need a BMI of 30 or less (77kgs for me) and he needs a BMI of 35 or less (106kgs). Although I understand the reasons, particularly for me, I was surprised that my DP also had to get his weight down.

I'm hoping to get lose a kg/week if possible which means I'll be there in 7 weeks. For my DP, he needs to lose 23kgs so quite a way to go but he is doing brilliantly so I'm hopeful.

Lots of :hugs: and babydust to you ladies :flower:
 
Hello Ladies - I have a question ... how much does your hubby's sperm count fluctuate?
We are from 6 million to 21 million to 6 million :(

My DH's sample has varied. Did you abstain for the same number of days and did it say on the report how long they waited before analysis as this can make a difference.
 
Just noticed your in Lincolnshire pinkie, me too. How many courses of ivf have you been offered? We have been offered just one. (better than nothing). I just hope they manage to harvest something from my hubby if not donor sperm it is.
 
Hi ladies, sorry I haven't posted in a while...was waiting on my doc appt today to share any news.

We had our second SA today....with great news...128 million!! Only problem is motility is just 3%. Doc wasn't happy with that but thinks he can still give us a good chance of success with an IUI. For us motility is our only issue...all my tests came back healthy so I'm hoping we have a good chance. I'm trying to not be too positive but I am definitely excited!! I go back next week for baseline us and when af started on july 2nd then I start Letrozole (doc doesnt like clomid due to the side effects and the chance for multiples...letrozole doesn't have that). So if all goes well, the IUI should be around July 15th.
 
TTCinTexas - congratulations! Thats great news, I'm so glad you have more swimmers as it does give you more opportunities for treatment. Is there any research done about improving the motility through diet/temperature etc? 15th July will be here before you know it! Wishing you oodles of babydust :hugs:

lbm2009 - I think we have been offered one course with option to pay to store any extras for a later date. We have been given brochures for both Care and Nurture clinics to look through so we can decide which to go with when we get that far. I did wonder about paying for a round and then if it fails going back through the NHS but I'm not sure you can do it this way round? Here I am being impatient again!

:flower:
 
I Ladies, i hope you don't mind me jumping in here, i'm looking for some advice.

Just got DH first sample back, he has a repeat on 3rd July!

This is what the Dr told him over the phone (i will insist on a print out for more specific details when we visit after the second sample)


48 million count
18% move strong
28% sluggish

I'm not familiar with normal counts yet (i'll be an expert by the time i finish googling! lol) Can someone give me an idea of weather this is really bad or not too bad please?

Thanks

xx
 
xxshellsxx as far as I understand it 40million per mil is what they would expect in a good sample. Your results seem pretty positive to me. You have a good number of healthy swimmers. I would be over the moon to have those results.

To use the words of my teenage cousin, I'm well-jel!

(I must be getting old)
 
Thanks, i understand the count is very good from googling, it's the motility that's not great. Dr has apparently said the strong and sluggish needs to be a combined 50% and now i see his is not too bad at 46%, but still not quite normal.

I'm going to ply him with 30mg zinc every day till his repeat on 3rd July and see if that helps!

Thanks, hope i haven't offended anyone by think these were really bad when they are not as bad as they could be xx
 
Dont worry, this whole process is full of questions and what-ifs. Its a blessing this place is here to share information, keeping me sane at the moment!

:flower:
 
Thanks hun, When i went through this before with my Ex there was no question over his he was almost sterile (i can't remember numbers as it was so long ago) but this time with inbetween numbers i'm learning all over again! lol

My own tests i understand fully, but his tests are new territory for me and so glad places like this exist to be able to ask questions from those who know. Wish none of us had to be in LTTTC though and hope one day we can all move out of here and find a new home :hugs:

xx
 
HealthDay News

Scientists Map Genomes of One Man's Sperm
The pioneering work reveals clues to fertility, how DNA is mixed and passed on.

By E.J. Mundell, HealthDay Reporter

THURSDAY, July 19, 2012 (HealthDay News) — Scientists say they've mapped the entire genomes of 91 sperm from one man, the first time such gene mapping has been done in a human gamete (sperm or egg cell).

What Makes a Healthy Sperm Count
The research gives a glimpse into recombination — the process by which DNA mixes to create offspring that carry with them traits from parents and grandparents, the Stanford University scientists explained.

"We were able to generate an individual recombination map and mutation rate for each of several sperm from one person," study co-author Barry Behr, director of Stanford's in vitro fertilization laboratory, said in a university news release. "Now we can look at a particular individual, make some calls about what they would likely contribute genetically to an embryo, and perhaps even diagnose or detect potential problems."

The findings were published July 20 in the journal Cell.

Until now, scientists had only been able look to population-wide studies to try and gauge how often recombination happened in sperm and eggs cells, and how complicated the process might be, the Stanford team stated.

The new study focused on the sperm of a healthy 40-year-old man who had normal sperm and had already fathered healthy offspring. The study found that prior population studies were fairly accurate in assessing rates of recombination.

The team reported that, as expected, the man's sperm each had undergone about 23 recombinations of DNA, although there were wide variations in this genetic mixing between individual sperm. Two of the sperm sampled were missing entire chromosomes, the authors pointed out.

Between 25 and 36 "new single nucleotide mutations" were also spotted — random mutations that can affect offspring for good or ill.

"The exact sites, frequency and degree of this genetic mixing process is unique for each sperm and egg cell," study senior author Stephen Quake, a professor of engineering, bioengineering and applied physics at Stanford, said in the news release. "We've never before been able to see it with this level of detail. It's very interesting that what happens in one person's body mirrors the population average."

The findings have implications for research into fertility, because when things go wrong with recombination, sperm can cease to be viable, the researchers noted.

"This could serve as a new kind of early-detection system for men who may have reproductive problems," said Behr, who is also a co-director of Stanford's reproductive endocrinology and infertility program. "It's also possible that we could one day use other, correlating features to harmlessly identify healthy sperm for use in IVF. In the end, the DNA is the raw material that ultimately defines a sperm's potential. If we can learn more about this process, we can better understand human fertility."

Last Updated: 07/19/2012
 
8 Fertility Myths, Debunked

Surveys show that many women are misinformed about fertility and conception. Do you know the facts behind these common rumors?

By Elizabeth Shimer BowersMedically reviewed by Lindsey Marcellin, MD, MPH

Fertility can be a very confusing topic, and there’s a lot of misinformation about it. In fact, just 14 percent of women surveyed recently by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine knew the length of time it can take to achieve pregnancy, and less than 10 percent accurately guessed the likelihood of becoming pregnant across different age groups. To help clear a few things up, here are some commonly believed pregnancy myths that can negatively affect women’s health and the ability to conceive.

Fertility Myth: 45 Is the New 35
Reality: While you might look younger than your mom did when she was your age, your eggs don’t reflect this youthful exuberance. Live birth rates in women sink from an already tepid 28.4 percent at age 40 to 0 percent by age 46, according to research done at a Boston infertility center that looked at 2,700 women undergoing in vitro fertilization.

How to Improve The Chances of Getting Pregnant
In fact, your fertility starts to decline in your late twenties. “Women go from approximately 2 million eggs to 0 between birth and menopause,” says Daniel Potter, MD, a reproductive endocrinologist at HRC Fertility in Southern California. “Women who want to postpone pregnancy beyond age 35 should consider having their ovarian reserve baselines tested to determine how much time they have left.” You can also freeze your embryos or eggs when you’re younger to preserve fertility later in life, he adds.

Fertility Myth: Drinking Cough Syrup Improves Pregnancy Chances
Reality: “The mucolytics [chemicals that help loosen mucus and make a cough more productive] in cough syrup may also make cervical secretions more liquid and inviting to sperm,” says Charla Blacker, MD, a reproductive endocrinologist with the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit. “But you have to drink a lot of cough syrup to get the effect.”

Taking more than the recommended dose of any medicine — or using it in a way other than what it was designed for — is never a good idea. “However, as an alternative to cough syrup,” Blacker says, “Mucinex, which is sold over the counter, can do the same thing with a pill twice daily.”

Fertility Myth: It’s Easier to Get Pregnant the Second Time
Reality: Women who have gotten pregnant before are more fertile than the population at large, which accounts for this misconception. “Pregnancy itself is a test of the fertility system, so women with a prior pregnancy know that at least at that time everything was right,” Dr. Blacker explains. “However, some of my most frustrated patients are those who conceived easily the first time and are now having trouble. To treat secondary infertility, the same potential causes need to be evaluated as in those having trouble the first time.”

Fertility Myth: The Best Time to Have Sex Is After Your Temperature Rises
Reality: Women facing infertility are often told to take a body temperature reading first thing every morning, looking for that small increase that may signal the best time to get pregnant each month. “Unfortunately, a temperature rise [which indicates ovulation has taken place] only gives you information after the fact,” Dr. Potter says. “Instead, I would recommend women aiming for pregnancy look at their average cycle length” — the number of days between day one of your period and the next day one of your period — “subtract 14 days, and have intercourse three days in a row, with the day calculated above being the second day.”

Fertility Myth: Your Sexual Position Affects Your Fertility
Reality: “There have been few studies that have been able to demonstrate differences in conception rate based on sexual position,” Blacker says of this commonly held fertility belief. “However, it’s important that a woman not jump right up after intercourse. Lying quietly for a few minutes for the sperm to get to their destination can be helpful in achieving pregnancy.”

Fertility Myth: Infertility Is a Female Problem
Reality: Causes for infertility are split right down the middle. “Roughly 40 percent of infertility cases arise from female causes, such as ovulation problems, tubal disease, or endometriosis," Blacker says. "Another 40 percent arise from male problems, such as low sperm count, poor sperm motility, or abnormally shaped sperm. And 20 percent of couples will have something go wrong on both the female and the male sides to prevent pregnancy."

Fertility Myth: You Should Only Have Sex During Ovulation
Reality: “Studies have actually shown the highest pregnancy rates in couples having daily intercourse around the fertile time,” Blacker says. In fact, the worst thing a couple can do, particularly when you’re dealing with infertility, is to “save up” for that one day. “Not only do you have an excellent chance of missing the big day,” Blacker adds, “but older sperm are less motile and more likely to contain genetic abnormalities.”

Fertility Myth: Stopping Birth Control Makes You Extra Fertile
Reality: Among 2,000 women who stopped taking birth control pills to try to have a baby, just 21 percent became pregnant within one cycle of stopping, according to a respected European study on oral contraceptives. This rate is nearly the same as the natural pregnancy rate of 20 percent to 25 percent per menstrual cycle in women not using any birth control.

“For normally ovulating women, there may actually be a delay in fertility for a few months after stopping the pill,” Blacker says. However, this shouldn’t stop couples who want to get pregnant from trying at this time.

Last Updated: 07/13/2012
 
Volume: 3.6
Viscosity: normal
Density: 3.1 (they have put an * by this??)
Motility(%): 50
Morphology %:
Normal forms 4
Head defects 60
Neck defects 33
Tail defects 3

Cells: 0.7
Debris(+):++
MAR TEST: Negative

Low sperm counted and rest of the parameters are within normal range. Sample suitable for ICSI treatment.


I'm baffled by most of it and from googling it seems most results are laid out differently with different terminology. Can anyone shed any light on this?
 
Hi everyone
We had OH's SA in May after I had chemical as we had been ttc for nearly 18 months. The results were
viscosity: normal
volume (ml): 2
sperm concentration (millions/ml): 15
total no. Sperm present (millions): 30
motility (%): 25
Progression (1-4): 2

morphology
normal forms (%): 20

His doctor didn't really say we should be too concerned as we had got a BFP and just advised us to keep at it :grr:
I've tried looking online but it just confuses me more :haha:
He was taking wellman conception (a little sporadically) before the test and since then i've had him taking fertilcare vitamins + omega 3,6,9. I haven't been tested yet as the dr I saw here monitored me with scans, told me I probably wouldn't ovulated that cycle and I ended up having 28 day cycle so he said all was normal keep ttc for a few more months then maybe go back :grr: it's quite expensive to get testing in cyprus though (at a fertility center its 150euro just for SA!)
I am almost 32 OH is 30.
 
Hi ladies, I hope you do not mind me joining. My hubby's sperm count is just 2.8 million and we were told by the NHS that IUI is not technically possible. I do not even know if it is really possible to get pregnant naturally with such low sperm count, probably not. We are trying to increase his sperm count by taking vitamins and quitting beer, not sure if this is going to help. No idea what else we can do.

What BD strategy would you recommend with such low SC. we did every day and every other day starting from 5-4 days before O but it does not seem to work. may be we just need to do it once on the day before O to maximize our chances? also not sure what position is best. am also thinking of trying preseed and softcups.
 
I dont know if waiting to the day before O is better or not. We tend to BD most nights (hoorah!) through the month. I do get O pains so around that time we will usually go for the good old fashioned missionary position as I think it is supposed to be the best. I dont tell DP when O is (although I think he works it out for himself). That way, it doesnt become too pressured.

DP is on any and every vitamin and mineral concoction I read about to help sperm! He has almost cut out alcohol apart from very occasional treats and has lost over 4 stone. I'll update when we get our treatment as to whether any of this has improved numbers!
 
In the book the impatient woman's guide to getting pregnant she says that research shows that a man's fertility is not affected with more frequent ejaculation, they recommend every other day over the fertile period. Also in the baby making bible they say regular ejaculation ensures that sperm is constantly being renewed. Also morning sex is better for conception and more conceptions take place and continue to full term from :sex: two days before ovulation :shrug:
If its any help when I got my BFP although it ended in mc we had :sex: everyday for 5 days and last cycle we sometimes had :sex: more than once a day and I believe that was another chemical :cry:
 

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