Underhand tactics - formula companies

[Rach27]

As one of the 1-2% of women who could not BF, all I can say is that I wish more women would take the basic principles of lactivism which is the promotion of breastfeeding without the snide comments, insults, or guilt tripping.

This is a good lactivism article:
https://www.lactivistleanings.com/lactivism/they-should-feel-guilty-for-not-breastfeeding/

What a lovely article.

 

[aob1013]

I would like to help everyone, especially first time pregnant Mum's who are unsure or uneducated as of yet.

 

[Rach27]

Also, to the person who was going to write a letter to whomever, reporting the ad.

Why do YOU personally care about this ad? It must offend YOU, not just because its "the law" What about it is really grinding your gears?

I have already explained this but.... because I believe that women who are experiencing difficulty with BF'ing should have only access to impartial advice on breastfeeding. If that means suggesting formula then that's fine.

 

[smokey]

As one of the 1-2% of women who could not BF, all I can say is that I wish more women would take the basic principles of lactivism which is the promotion of breastfeeding without the snide comments, insults, or guilt tripping.

This is a good lactivism article:
https://www.lactivistleanings.com/lactivism/they-should-feel-guilty-for-not-breastfeeding/

Brilliant article and I love how one of their articles is a link back to BnB and shows that most on here are nothing like the women they are describing

 

[ellie]

I'd like to help mums too!
(And reporting that ad could be part of that, because the point is (for those who've missed it), they're not providing impartial advice which is what is sorely needed.
I don't see that mums need any extra guilt for doing whatever they do to raise their kids.
We're up against it from all angles it seems. Usually from men or male-controlled areas .....

I always think ... threads like this almost always have an element of sniping at each other. When really, we ought to be sniping at the real culprits, the organisations, the companies, who undermine, dehumanise, and dismiss mothers as unimportant. No wonder so many mums have so little confidence.

 

[Celesse]

I always think ... threads like this almost always have an element of sniping at each other. When really, we ought to be sniping at the real culprits, the organisations, the companies, who undermine, dehumanise, and dismiss mothers as unimportant. No wonder so many mums have so little confidence.

I think as well that without the emotion of human speech people interpret what is said to match how they are feeling about the subject. Meaning that no matter how carefully worded a post is it can seem aggressive to an individual with a different view point who is on the defensive.

 

[Blah11]

AppleBlossom - you say that like breastmilk is only giving them energy or something? BF has loads of benefits way beyond what organic food gives us. They're not the same.

I know what benefits BM has. I'm not saying they are both exactly the same. But organic food has more nutritional value than other foods. So in a sense they are similar to BM being better than FM.

it doesnt have more nutritional value :\ A carrot is a carrot lol

 

[pheobe]

To the ladies who like to tell us FF's over and over again that formula in inferior are you as passionate about only feeding home grown organic produce and home cooked meals.

Organic produce is free from chemicals and home grown food has not been treated for transport so is therefore fresher and again chemical free so the much better option. Non Organic and imported food is therefore the 'inferior' option. Will you only feed your LO home cooked meals from said organic produce??

Just interested!........

Formula is made from cows milk.. for baby cows. I won't feed my LO organic ALL the time although I do try but I won't be feeding my baby grass either.

What a stupid comparison.

Your attitude stinks, I asked a perfectly reasonable question and you come back with a shitty slapped arse response - GROW UP

 

[Blah11]

lol

 

[pheobe]

AppleBlossom - you say that like breastmilk is only giving them energy or something? BF has loads of benefits way beyond what organic food gives us. They're not the same.

I never said it was the same although it was a comparison, it was a genuine question aimed at those who are vehemtly AGAINST FF (as there seems to be many on here), in regards to attitudes towards nutrition in general

 

[Dragonfly]

I'm not saying "If you intend to give your kids crisps in the future then you shouldn't breastfeed because it's hypocritical" and it was a general observation, not targeted at anyone particular in here. I know people who do/have BFed and their kids eat oven chips, frozen pizza and the like. All I'm saying is people are so quick to tell FFers that what they feed their children is artificial and I have read, not necessarily on here, that formula is "junk" before. But then many of them go ahead and feed their children foods full of artificial additives. So, I understand where the previous poster is coming from. Unless you intend to feed your children mainly fresh homegrown/organic food then you should you really tell FFers that what they feed their child is 'inferior'?

I know what I mean but it's not coming out right...

I get what you are saying.
If people are so concerned with the first 6 months (or however long you BF) are you as concerned with the rest of their eating lives? It is hilarious to me. I bet you all are feeding your children "artificial" food. THATS ALL OUR SOCIETY EATS THESE DAYS. Everything is pumped full of crap.

I love you and get you 100%!

How rude, that attitude stinks. You assume everyone feeds their child junk food as most eat it? well think again there are poeple out there who want healthy children and can escape things like mc donalds and bugler king. Speak for yourself.

 

[AppleBlossom]

I'm not saying "If you intend to give your kids crisps in the future then you shouldn't breastfeed because it's hypocritical" and it was a general observation, not targeted at anyone particular in here. I know people who do/have BFed and their kids eat oven chips, frozen pizza and the like. All I'm saying is people are so quick to tell FFers that what they feed their children is artificial and I have read, not necessarily on here, that formula is "junk" before. But then many of them go ahead and feed their children foods full of artificial additives. So, I understand where the previous poster is coming from. Unless you intend to feed your children mainly fresh homegrown/organic food then you should you really tell FFers that what they feed their child is 'inferior'?

I know what I mean but it's not coming out right...

I get what you are saying.
If people are so concerned with the first 6 months (or however long you BF) are you as concerned with the rest of their eating lives? It is hilarious to me. I bet you all are feeding your children "artificial" food. THATS ALL OUR SOCIETY EATS THESE DAYS. Everything is pumped full of crap.

I love you and get you 100%!

Aww I love you too

And Blah, I'm not completely stupid. I know "A carrot is a carrot" you obviously don't understand what I'm getting at. Which is fine.

I try and come on these threads with an open mind but quite frankly some of the comments are here are just disrespectful towards not only FFers but to certain posters generally and I don't feel I want to waste any more of my time on people that aren't even grown up enough to realise that actually, we are all only human and that within reason, we can make whatever the hell choices we want. If you don't like it, ignore it. Don't have a go at people when they dare have a different opinion that isn't quite as high and mighty as your own. I absolutely applaud BFers, I genuinely do. I respect their choice to breastfeed their children and would encourage where possible that others at least try. But like I have exhausted myself saying, if someone wants to FF from birth then so what? It's nobody else's concern but their own.

 

[trumpetbum]

As one of the 1-2% of women who could not BF, all I can say is that I wish more women would take the basic principles of lactivism which is the promotion of breastfeeding without the snide comments, insults, or guilt tripping.

This is a good lactivism article:
https://www.lactivistleanings.com/lactivism/they-should-feel-guilty-for-not-breastfeeding/

Thanks for that link. Love it.

 

[pheobe]

I'm not saying "If you intend to give your kids crisps in the future then you shouldn't breastfeed because it's hypocritical" and it was a general observation, not targeted at anyone particular in here. I know people who do/have BFed and their kids eat oven chips, frozen pizza and the like. All I'm saying is people are so quick to tell FFers that what they feed their children is artificial and I have read, not necessarily on here, that formula is "junk" before. But then many of them go ahead and feed their children foods full of artificial additives. So, I understand where the previous poster is coming from. Unless you intend to feed your children mainly fresh homegrown/organic food then you should you really tell FFers that what they feed their child is 'inferior'?

I know what I mean but it's not coming out right...

I get what you are saying.
If people are so concerned with the first 6 months (or however long you BF) are you as concerned with the rest of their eating lives? It is hilarious to me. I bet you all are feeding your children "artificial" food. THATS ALL OUR SOCIETY EATS THESE DAYS. Everything is pumped full of crap.

I love you and get you 100%!

Aww I love you too

And Blah, I'm not completely stupid. I know "A carrot is a carrot" you obviously don't understand what I'm getting at. Which is fine.

I try and come on these threads with an open mind but quite frankly some of the comments are here are just disrespectful towards not only FFers but to certain posters generally and I don't feel I want to waste any more of my time on people that aren't even grown up enough to realise that actually, we are all only human and that within reason, we can make whatever the hell choices we want. If you don't like it, ignore it. Don't have a go at people when they dare have a different opinion that isn't quite as high and mighty as your own. I absolutely applaud BFers, I genuinely do. I respect their choice to breastfeed their children and would encourage where possible that others at least try. But like I have exhausted myself saying, if someone wants to FF from birth then so what? It's nobody else's concern but their own.

^^^ WSS

I love you 2 appleblossom...don't leave lol
xxx

 

[Blah11]

Oh for god sake.

 

[babybliss]

As one of the 1-2% of women who could not BF, all I can say is that I wish more women would take the basic principles of lactivism which is the promotion of breastfeeding without the snide comments, insults, or guilt tripping.

This is a good lactivism article:
https://www.lactivistleanings.com/lactivism/they-should-feel-guilty-for-not-breastfeeding/

What a lovely article.

i also love this article

 

[emmi26]

im in 3rd tri and at first i thought i would ff so i have a cupboard full of bottles and a sterilizer. then i completely changed my mind and decided i would like to try breast feeding. i was surprised that my midwife hadn't asked me what i would like to do feeding wise and i had to actually say to her i would like to try breast feeding and would you help me ? she was lovely of course but she didnt mention it untill i did and i only found the courage to want to try breast feeding by posting in the breast feeding section on bnb !!
on the opposite end of the scale when i was 8 weeks pregnant i received lots of adverts in the mail from 2 different formula companys about their baby clubs. im not in anyway saying this is bad but just because i had information from formula companys it didnt stop me deciding i would like to try breastfeeding in fact it helped because i have some information and have done some research into formula so if after the first six months i want to ff i can and if before that my milk stops or something goes wrong i have info ready x x x

 

[NIfirsttimer]

what is impartial advice then? my MW wasnt being impartial when she recommended breast over bottle really was she? Were the hosp offering impartial advice when they gave ruby aptamil in those crucial hours? was my HV being impartial when she suggested i stopped pumping at about 3 months when she saw how utterly exhausting exclusive expressing is? in fact, is the NHS even being impartial when they promote BF?
the very idea of impartial is that is doesnt take sides, doesnt promote one side over the other, so it seems that what people here want is 'impartial' advice from the FF corner, but not from the BF corner, because (and dont take this the wrong way, because i DID BF) those posters about breast is best, all the literature and promotion of BF, etc etc, is DEFINETLY not 'impartial'
so, if i called the aptamil line and got advice, it wouldnt exactly be impartial, but on the same hand, if i called the laleche league, or similar, (or in fact even the nhs, or my BF positive midwife) it wouldnt exactly be impartial either, would it?

 

[trumpetbum]

https://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/funny-pictures-kittens-will-clean-up-milk.jpg

This thread lacks lolcats.

Completely OT but lolcats don't make me laugh or smile.
One of my bff is a cat lover and sends me them all the time but I don't get it
This probably makes me the coldest internet weirdy ever doesn't it

 

[Missy86]

what is impartial advice then? my MW wasnt being impartial when she recommended breast over bottle really was she? Were the hosp offering impartial advice when they gave ruby aptamil in those crucial hours? was my HV being impartial when she suggested i stopped pumping at about 3 months when she saw how utterly exhausting exclusive expressing is? in fact, is the NHS even being impartial when they promote BF?
the very idea of impartial is that is doesnt take sides, doesnt promote one side over the other, so it seems that what people here want is 'impartial' advice from the FF corner, but not from the BF corner, because (and dont take this the wrong way, because i DID BF) those posters about breast is best, all the literature and promotion of BF, etc etc, is DEFINETLY not 'impartial'
so, if i called the aptamil line and got advice, it wouldnt exactly be impartial, but on the same hand, if i called the laleche league, or similar, (or in fact even the nhs, or my BF positive midwife) it wouldnt exactly be impartial either, would it?

Hun all advice should be from both sides, otherwise its not really advice its a leture