4 Leaf Clover IVF / ICSI Buddies

[gumb69]

sorry muncho xx
so what does that mean, does that mean you can continue with IVF on another cycle xx

 

[gumb69]

sorry what i mean is, do you have to start again a new cycle x

 

[muncho]

Hi Gum. we are stilll gogin ahead with this and hope for the best. Pray there is an egg and it gets fertilised. Tues is EC xx

 

[MissMonty]

Hi Muncho - how upsetting for you both I think we would do the same, like you said you will always be thinking what if. I'm sure they would tell you not go onto EC if they thought there was no chance what so ever. I wish you all the best

 

[hopesforababy]

I'm sorry about the bad news Muncho. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you.

I get my schedule next Monday, but in the meantime, I'm not sure about some of the terms you ladies are using. What is down regging? I guess I'll be doing it at some point, but what is it??

Thanks!

 

[Millana]

Hi Mucho,

Sorry to hear that. Remember, however, that the most dominant follicle/s are the best grade. Who knows, maybe that 1% is the best chance! I had my EC on Jan. 28, after starting down-regging on Jan. 15, I had this called Mini-IVF (minimal stimulation) and had only 2 follicles during EC and only 1 with egg. My doc decided to freeze it as my lining was not thick enough. I am to to come back on Feb. 13. I go to this NYC clinic that has "1 good egg" policy. They said the quality of the egg is more important than the quantity.

I have you in my prayers.

 

[chocci]

Hey Muncho, Sorry to hear the dissappointing news, i really hope it all works out for you XX

 

[chocci]

sammy just been reading choccis journal and shes had a medicated FET

Thanks hun, maybe she will see this post and advise me... if not then i will contact her. Seems weird that i remember you were here when we were trying and then now im here again with you!!! Sods law eh?

But what can you do.... back to square one!

hey sammy, just seen this, dont really come on this thread much... if you want any help or info on medicated FET then just ask hun.... really sorry to hear of your loss

My medicated FEt was a total balls up but it is totally unusual for it to turn out like mine hun, the odds of FET working tend to be slightly lower than fresh due to the fact the embies have to be thawed but if they thaw ok and you get to transfer then apparently the odds are pretty much same as fresh

Give me a shout if you want the lowdown on the protocol

 

[muncho]

Thanks everyone
Millana it such a bum isnt it that EVERYTHING has to be good beofre it can go ahead. did it fertliise or have you not done that bit yet. Lots of luck xx

 

[chocci]

Hi,

Well i guess im back here... we had IVF last year which was successful but unfortunately lost her at 24 weeks due to Hydrocephalus (fluid on the brain)

We had two frozen embryos from the first round of IVF which I think must be to blast stage since at day 3 they said they would check them the next day or the day after to see how they were doing since they were a bit slower than then rest of the embryos (that we had put back in). They said they would only freeze them if they were excellent and were lucky enough to receive a letter 2 weeks later to say two had been frozen so I guess they are really good. We have an appointment on 8th Feb to go back to the clinic and talk about having these thawed and put back in (FET) (depending if they thaw ok of course)

I gave birth on 10th Jan and i'm still waiting for my period which if on time I guess will be due around 6th Feb?

Can i ask a few questions?

Is it possible to have your first period after birth 28 days after?

When would they put the frosties back in... around ovulation time?

What medication do you have to take and for how long before FET?

What meds do you have to take after FET, progesterone?

Do you have to have had a period before they can do FET?

Would you do a fresh IVF cycle or try the FET?

If FET doesnt work, how long after can you start a fresh IVF cycle?

I would very much appreciate ANY help and advice... I know plenty about IVF but little about FET having never been through it!

Hun just seen your questions, here are the ones i can answer:

When would they put the frosties back in... around ovulation time?
Depends if you do medicated or non-medicated, some hospitals give you the choice, mine didnt.... Cupcake knows more about non medicated cycles i can only really tell you about medicated cycles. The option to do non medicated will also depend on if you have adequate womb lining naturally. i.e. about 9mm naturally.

What meds do you have to take after FET, progesterone?
I think it can vary but generally and for me, i took one big DR injection (prostap i think) went back after 2 weeks to check lining gone and then started eostrogen tablets (3 a day) to build the womb, monitoring of lining unitil it is over 8mm. How long you use the eostrogen dpends on how your respond, cant remember days, perhaps mine was about 9 days. Then it was simply a case of booking in to do the FET, they thaw the embies on the day of transfer and ring you in the morning to tell you how they are.

What meds do you have to take after FET, progesterone?
Yes i was on Porg after transfer, is the same as fresh.

Do you have to have had a period before they can do FET?
Yes, my clinic wanted 2 natural periods, not including the one from the failed cycle. You could maybe push to do earlier but i would not advice, i think its best to be mentally and physically prepared for the cycle.

Would you do a fresh IVF cycle or try the FET?
Hard question for me since my FET was a disaster ..... though the outcome of mine was unusual..... i had 4 top grade embies, little and no fragmentation.... The odds for thawing of a pool of embies is 7average 70% survival rate, expect to loose say 1 out of 4..... Since i had 4 i asked for them to be thawed in twos, they rang me morning of FET to tell me that out of the first 2 one had degenerated / expired what ever you want to call it, the second of the 2 had gone from 8 cell to 3 cells remaining.... they dont like to see anymore than 50% cell loss, so i instructed them to thaw the other 2, the same thing happened, i ended with 2 embies degenrated and only 2 to transfer both with arounf 70% cell loss. If that happens to you, which it is highly unlikely (i believe perhaps a fault with the lab) i would not bother putting embies of that quality after thaw back because the 2 weeks waiting to see if those really poor quality embies would make it were the hardest of my life, with only a 5-10% chance for me that cycle due to embie quality after thaw it was awful and a waste of time. After that cycle i said i would be reluctant to do a FET ever again unless i had a pool of more than 8 embryos, i would have done another fresh cycle and saved the embies for perhaps a go in the future! Please remember the outcome of mine was very unusual though for the quality of embryo.

If FET doesnt work, how long after can you start a fresh IVF cycle?
2 fresh periods not including the failed cycle period. Mine was 5 days late after FET but not after fresh, not sure if it was donw to the use of Prostap injection to DR or the eostrogen tablets etc, but i hear delayed periods are common after medicated FET.

Hope this helps hun XX

 

[Millana]

Thanks everyone
Millana it such a bum isnt it that EVERYTHING has to be good beofre it can go ahead. did it fertliise or have you not done that bit yet. Lots of luck xx

I hear you. I was put on BC pill and Clomid from cd3 to cd12, hence thin endometrium.

As promised, the clinic called me the day after the EC for the fertilization status, then another call the next day for the freezing status. Both went very well. The clinic uses virtification method which they claim has better thawing survival. So I am hopefull. I am not sure what the doc's plans are though if its gonna be a medicated FET or natural. Best of luck to you as well!

 

[brooklyn1]

muncho, once again, I'm sorry this is happening, but I do like Millana's one good egg theory- I've heard it a lot during this process.

 

[muncho]

im keeping my fingers crossed there wil be an egg in there...

thanks Millana. Listen i had a prob with thin lining and i have been having acupuncture and now its REALLY good. They said so today. Have you thought about it. It may be a bit late for 13th or maybe not i dont know x

 

[Millana]

Muncho, thanks for the brilliant suggestion. Now why didn't I think of that earlier Might be too late as you said. I have been drinking organic red raspberry leaf tea right after the EC. Hopefully that will help me a bit.

 

[Cupcake Queen]

Hi,

Well i guess im back here... we had IVF last year which was successful but unfortunately lost her at 24 weeks due to Hydrocephalus (fluid on the brain)

We had two frozen embryos from the first round of IVF which I think must be to blast stage since at day 3 they said they would check them the next day or the day after to see how they were doing since they were a bit slower than then rest of the embryos (that we had put back in). They said they would only freeze them if they were excellent and were lucky enough to receive a letter 2 weeks later to say two had been frozen so I guess they are really good. We have an appointment on 8th Feb to go back to the clinic and talk about having these thawed and put back in (FET) (depending if they thaw ok of course)

I gave birth on 10th Jan and i'm still waiting for my period which if on time I guess will be due around 6th Feb?

Can i ask a few questions?

Is it possible to have your first period after birth 28 days after?

When would they put the frosties back in... around ovulation time?

What medication do you have to take and for how long before FET?

What meds do you have to take after FET, progesterone?

Do you have to have had a period before they can do FET?

Would you do a fresh IVF cycle or try the FET?

If FET doesnt work, how long after can you start a fresh IVF cycle?

I would very much appreciate ANY help and advice... I know plenty about IVF but little about FET having never been through it!

Sammy babe! I am so sorry to hear this I thought everything was going so well for you I am so sad to hear what you have been through babe - it's just not fair!!!

I thought I would give you my advice on your questions above given I've just gone through a failed FET and now am on Round # 3 of ICSI.

So don't know about the period and birth thing - sorry.

As for when they put the embie back - for me it was going to be Day 21 with a blastie.

All I had to take was progesterone about a week before - that is what they term a 'natural' FET.

I guess they would probably want you to have a period before FET??

And I would suggest going ahead with your FET before a new cycle. Your body has been through so much so to start on another round of IVF so soon may not be the best thing? If you have the embies there - then go for it I think! Much less harsh on you.

My FET didn't work - mainly because my embie didn't thaw - so I started a new round of ICSI about a week later. I think if embie is transferred and doesn't take - then you probalby have to wait a month before you can try another fresh cycle.

I am thinking of you and your family and Shaylee
Always here if you need me.

 

[caline]

Muncho, how frustrating for you! But it does only take one good egg. I think you are doing the right thing by going ahead. I wish you all the luck for Tuesday and just hope so much for you that the follicle contains a big juicy egg.

Millana, see if you can squeeze in some accupuncture before 13th. I am a great believer in it, and have been having it since last July. I am sure this is the reason our cycle was so sucessful (up unitl mc). Try and find one that specialises in fertility, but avoid those herbs! Lots of research to say herbs are harmful to fertility.

 

[Mrs G]

Muncho, how frustrating for you! But it does only take one good egg. I think you are doing the right thing by going ahead. I wish you all the luck for Tuesday and just hope so much for you that the follicle contains a big juicy egg.

Millana, see if you can squeeze in some accupuncture before 13th. I am a great believer in it, and have been having it since last July. I am sure this is the reason our cycle was so sucessful (up unitl mc). Try and find one that specialises in fertility, but avoid those herbs! Lots of research to say herbs are harmful to fertility.

Was just about to say the same. I know that during pregnancy, rasp leaf tea is NOT advised as it causes uterine contractions. And lots of clinics warn against TCM and other herbs. DEF agree with the acupuncture though, I had it just before and just after ET.

Good luck xx

 

[brooklyn1]

hi ladies,
back from ET- I guess I'm officially PUPO!
Out of the 9 that fertilized there were 3 that had reached the 6-8 cell mark for day 3, so they transferred those three (I know it sounds like a lot, but here in the US that's average for a 39 year old). There are I think 4 or 5 more that are at the 5 cell stage, so they'll watch those to see if they develop into blasts and if so, they'll freeze them.
Does anyone have any experience with these crazy cell numbers and whether this sounds hopeful? They didn't tell me anything about fragmentation, but looking at the picture of the embies, two look like they don't have much or any fragmentation and one looks like it has some.

As for the procedure- it was a breeze. It was annoying having a full bladder and the nurse pressing down on it with the ultrasound thing, but other than that it was painless and almost pleasant since DH was there with me and the doctor explained everything as he was doing it.

My blood test is Feb 18th!

 

[Breeze]

Hi Brooklyn... well done to you for getting so far!!! Good luck to the embies!! Im on stimm at the moment... have my first scan booked in for Monday to see how things are going! Im on day 4 of stimming.

Hows everyone else doing?

 

[Sammy2009]

Thanks ladies for all your support and advice