American ladies.. who do you think will win the election?

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What happens if you get pregnant and can't afford to pay to have the baby? You just get the bill for 'X' amount and they expect you to pay it off? Is there a time limit like with loans?

I cant answer this as im not american but i do know that the USA has one of the highest (if not the highest) infant mortality rate in the developed world. Maybe its from lack of prenatal care for those who cannot afford it? Im not sure.
 
:rofl: Whit.

MommaAlexis, I thought Canada had similar to the NHS or is that optional, or you pay a very small amount towards it, so it is more subsdised than America? Again sorry for the questions.

The systems are similar,the canadian one is more comparable to the UK system than the american system. Healthcare in canada is run by each province (although canadians needing care out of their home province are covered,the bill is sent to their province by the province treating them) each person has a healthcard with their info and photo on it (think drivers liscense) you take this with you to the doctor,a&e etc and present it to the reception, without this card you WILL have to pay. There is no set price for perscriptions,most ppl have private insurance through work that pay for them,if not you can get it quite cheaply from the gvt. There are no nhs style dentist plans or eye tests.

Having lived in both countries i dont see a huge diff apart from the set price for perscriptions here which i love! It would be great if the UK had the photo healthcard system so that only UK residents would be able to get care on the nhs. I am NOT a uk citizen but because i live and work in the uk i am entilted to care on the nhs. I have never been asked to provide evidence of this,for all they know i could just be here on holiday and have walked into a&e for treatment. I really think thats a big flaw in the nhs system here.

Sorry what a long post!

ETA: when i travel to CAnada i now take out travel insurance,I only hold CAnadian citizenship but because i am no longer a resident i cant get treated and have it paid by the gvt.
 
The systems are similar,the canadian one is more comparable to the UK system than the american system. Healthcare in canada is run by each province (although canadians needing care out of their home province are covered,the bill is sent to their province by the province treating them) each person has a healthcard with their info and photo on it (think drivers liscense) you take this with you to the doctor,a&e etc and present it to the reception, without this card you WILL have to pay. There is no set price for perscriptions,most ppl have private insurance through work that pay for them,if not you can get it quite cheaply from the gvt. There are no nhs style dentist plans or eye tests.

Having lived in both countries i dont see a huge diff apart from the set price for perscriptions here which i love! It would be great if the UK had the photo healthcard system so that only UK residents would be able to get care on the nhs. I am NOT a uk citizen but because i live and work in the uk i am entilted to care on the nhs. I have never been asked to provide evidence of this,for all they know i could just be here on holiday and have walked into a&e for treatment. I really think thats a big flaw in the nhs system here.

Sorry what a long post!

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all that to me MaryP.

It does sound very similar because if I was on holiday in say Cornwall (I live in London) and needed to see a doctor then my local NHS trust pays the bill. We just dont hear about that side of it, really.

The set prescription rate is good isnt it? People still moan about the price though, but it is usually way cheaper than the drugs. It must be a little confusing, never knowing how much it is going to cost for your prescription.

I totally agree that we need the card things like Canada, as you say it is rare they ask, I have been asked once in the past but they just took my word for it. Panorama did a programme on people coming for a holiday and using the NHS (pre-planned).
 
The systems are similar,the canadian one is more comparable to the UK system than the american system. Healthcare in canada is run by each province (although canadians needing care out of their home province are covered,the bill is sent to their province by the province treating them) each person has a healthcard with their info and photo on it (think drivers liscense) you take this with you to the doctor,a&e etc and present it to the reception, without this card you WILL have to pay. There is no set price for perscriptions,most ppl have private insurance through work that pay for them,if not you can get it quite cheaply from the gvt. There are no nhs style dentist plans or eye tests.

Having lived in both countries i dont see a huge diff apart from the set price for perscriptions here which i love! It would be great if the UK had the photo healthcard system so that only UK residents would be able to get care on the nhs. I am NOT a uk citizen but because i live and work in the uk i am entilted to care on the nhs. I have never been asked to provide evidence of this,for all they know i could just be here on holiday and have walked into a&e for treatment. I really think thats a big flaw in the nhs system here.

Sorry what a long post!

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all that to me MaryP.

It does sound very similar because if I was on holiday in say Cornwall (I live in London) and needed to see a doctor then my local NHS trust pays the bill. We just dont hear about that side of it, really.

The set prescription rate is good isnt it? People still moan about the price though, but it is usually way cheaper than the drugs. It must be a little confusing, never knowing how much it is going to cost for your prescription.

I totally agree that we need the card things like Canada, as you say it is rare they ask, I have been asked once in the past but they just took my word for it. Panorama did a programme on people coming for a holiday and using the NHS (pre-planned).

My youngest sister has Cystic Fibrosis and my mom is a teacher and has a private insurance plan through work. She gets 80% of the cost of perscriptions paid for through her plan and she pays the 20% up to a certain amount and then tbe plan pays 100% (she always reaches the cap before the end of jan as she gets thousands of dollars worth of meds for my sister each month) she used to have to pay upfront and then wait for a refund cheque. I remember my parents having to chose between paying mortgage and bills or buying meds for my sister. I also remember eating cereal for dinner the last few days before payday as our food shop had to be spent on meds. Luckily its changed now and the insurance pay instantly straight to the chemist.
 
I fully hate to tell ya, but we can't rely on churches and the salvation army. It's very very naive to think that they are able to take in the vast amount of people in need.

I've worked for nonprofit organizations. One called Shelter Network in California had to turn people away. They simply cannot afford to take on any more people. I have a friend who knows someone in Oregon DYING of cancer and he lives in his car.

It makes me SO MAD when people think that there are "resources" out there that accept everyone. I hate to think if YOU ever need to use one of those services and find yourself shit outta luck :growlmad:
 
Yepp. I'm not in the US but I am on our welfare system and just moved out of a homeless shelter. There were a few nights where I didn't have food at shelter because we were at max capacity. The resources are hard pressed as it is. (I will add, no I don't have ten kids, I have no tv, I don't drink or smoke and I have a cellphone, and electricity! This was a planned pregnancy, my fiancee walked out and no daycare will take her this young so I can't go back to work for a year.) It is there in case something like this happens. I have my job, just can't go back to it yet because he got cold feet.
 
Argh, I'm still livid thinking about it! I had many job offers when I got my degree, but I chose to work for nonprofits. I HATE when people generalize about those in need. :nope:
 
So please Amjon, correct me if I'm wrong, but you suggest private organizations provide shanty towns for the poor and rely on the bleeding hearts of the more fortunate to donate to the cause? Essentially then, you are void of all responsibility for your fellow Americans while "they" pray that the rest of us are kind enough to increase our contribution to offset your lack of compassion. Rest assured the we (and by "we" I mean the MAJORITY of the 53% who are able to dismount our high horse and view others with respect and dignity regardless of their paycheck stub) will do our best. Don't lose any sleep over it, please.

Going by your logic, do you also propose that we put a cap on yearly income and financial success, due to corporate corruption that is rampant in our economy? After all, if some are doing it they ALL must be, right?
 
The systems are similar,the canadian one is more comparable to the UK system than the american system. Healthcare in canada is run by each province (although canadians needing care out of their home province are covered,the bill is sent to their province by the province treating them) each person has a healthcard with their info and photo on it (think drivers liscense) you take this with you to the doctor,a&e etc and present it to the reception, without this card you WILL have to pay. There is no set price for perscriptions,most ppl have private insurance through work that pay for them,if not you can get it quite cheaply from the gvt. There are no nhs style dentist plans or eye tests.

Having lived in both countries i dont see a huge diff apart from the set price for perscriptions here which i love! It would be great if the UK had the photo healthcard system so that only UK residents would be able to get care on the nhs. I am NOT a uk citizen but because i live and work in the uk i am entilted to care on the nhs. I have never been asked to provide evidence of this,for all they know i could just be here on holiday and have walked into a&e for treatment. I really think thats a big flaw in the nhs system here.

Sorry what a long post!

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all that to me MaryP.

It does sound very similar because if I was on holiday in say Cornwall (I live in London) and needed to see a doctor then my local NHS trust pays the bill. We just dont hear about that side of it, really.

The set prescription rate is good isnt it? People still moan about the price though, but it is usually way cheaper than the drugs. It must be a little confusing, never knowing how much it is going to cost for your prescription.

I totally agree that we need the card things like Canada, as you say it is rare they ask, I have been asked once in the past but they just took my word for it. Panorama did a programme on people coming for a holiday and using the NHS (pre-planned).

I was under the impression that in the UK, healthcare is free for everyone - including those that are not citizens. MY best friend is from Liverpool and was telling me that it was a shame British cititzens were footing the bill for people who would go there to take advantage of the system and get free healthcare. Are they meant to verify your identity and simply don't, or does the government really budget to give it to the whole world for free?

Canada and Australia's system are almost identical and I think they seem the best so far. You have to show your health card in order to get the free service. There have been times in Canada where Im a citizen that I've forgotten my healthcard, in which case you can always call them back later with the number or bring it another time. I got pregnant in Australia though, so I had to pay for the first initial prenatal visits because I have no status there. I think that makes sense and it works.
 
With the NHS, if you are visiting the country, they will treat you, but they just don't treat anyone that walks in. Your GP has to refer you for special treatment.
 
Unfortunately the Conservatives in Canada are doing their very best to do away with public health care. What they're doing is very much like the States where corporations find ways to not pay health claims and the rich are the only ones able to pay/recieve healthcare. Harper just signed a bill giving German perscription manufacturers more money while agreeing to not allow generic drugs to come out for 5 years, up from 3 (allows drug prices to soar and breaks the ability of public health care to provide affordable options). We already have drug shortages which drive up prices, they could have written legislation requiring drug companies to inform when stock piles are low but instead they kiss butts of corporation, working on getting their next votes in. Hurts future Canadian healthcare and we have so many uninformed people still voting them in (similar to what Bush did when he was in). Do we have to have war, tradgedy, poverty, death for eople to realise what's good and decent? We forget so quickly!

Romney is trying to sell to the rest of Americans that there's too much government 'interference' in people's lives, too costly etc. What the poorly educated (and lower income levels) believe this means is that they will cut gov't positions and cut the costs, saving money for taxpayers. What it actually means is they are going to cut basic social systems that catch and provide for people on the starvation/ desperation/ poverty line, including children, while they refuse to tax the rich. He has no plan to provide incentives for cororations to keep jobs in the USA even though he brags about the 12million he'll create if he's president. That 12million stat, btw, is there *regardless* of whomever becomes president. He's using this to pacify his silly followers. It was put out as a prediction of the jobs to be created in the next uear anyway (duh-look it up!) This is why Obama rightly states Romney's plan doesn't add up, they HAVE to start taxing the rich if they want to not be the next country to declare bankruptcy.

What my oh and i found hilarious is that Romney stayed that people vote for a peaceful president. Then he starts talking about how the USA has less boats then back in 1800 (or whatever his dumb numbers were). He can't stick to one story and puts out all sorts of garbage statements ( he sounds like the drunk highschool flunky that Bush did).

Romney clearly has his head up his arse and Harper in Canada is just another greedy corporatist giving away the rights and freedoms in his 'omnibus' style legislation (railroading like Bush did-think about all the corporatist laws Bush passed while American's were preoccupied with 911). There's a new movement in my city called 'anything but conservative'. To stategically get the left party voted in in each riding. The most likely left party to win, doesn't matter which one. So to stop the Conservatives from destroying the rest of what we have left and sink to the level that the Americans are at (in healthcare, national debt etc). Obama will win, unless Romney, like Bush, cheats.
 
So please Amjon, correct me if I'm wrong, but you suggest private organizations provide shanty towns for the poor and rely on the bleeding hearts of the more fortunate to donate to the cause? Essentially then, you are void of all responsibility for your fellow Americans while "they" pray that the rest of us are kind enough to increase our contribution to offset your lack of compassion. Rest assured the we (and by "we" I mean the MAJORITY of the 53% who are able to dismount our high horse and view others with respect and dignity regardless of their paycheck stub) will do our best. Don't lose any sleep over it, please.

Going by your logic, do you also propose that we put a cap on yearly income and financial success, due to corporate corruption that is rampant in our economy? After all, if some are doing it they ALL must be, right?

Uh oh, beginning to sound a bit like socialism to me :haha:
 
What happens if you get pregnant and can't afford to pay to have the baby? You just get the bill for 'X' amount and they expect you to pay it off? Is there a time limit like with loans?

I cant answer this as im not american but i do know that the USA has one of the highest (if not the highest) infant mortality rate in the developed world. Maybe its from lack of prenatal care for those who cannot afford it? Im not sure.


This isn't true. It's illegal to give inadequate care to anyone no matter their financial situations. Nurses and Dr's don't even know if you have insurance while treating you. That all goes through the administrative part of the hospital.

Also, you can't just get SSDI. It's a long process. You have to qualify. Acting up in school won't get you SSDI. My mother who has had numerous heart attacks, heart surgeries and has a pace maker. She was denied SSDI and she can't work. I don't believe someone is claiming SSDI based on their kids being out of line at school, I think that's BS. :flower:
 
'pregnancies caused by rape were something god intended to happen' therefore you don't have to right to an abortion.
-Indiana Republican senator Richard Murdoch

It's a shame so many don't know the difference between socialists and corporatists. Obama's got a better plan for education (thankfully).
 
Unfortunately the Conservatives in Canada are doing their very best to do away with public health care. What they're doing is very much like the States where corporations find ways to not pay health claims and the rich are the only ones able to pay/recieve healthcare. Harper just signed a bill giving German perscription manufacturers more money while agreeing to not allow generic drugs to come out for 5 years, up from 3. We already have drug shortages which drive up prices, they could have written legislation requiring drug companies to inform when stock piles are low but they are working on getting their next votes in, hurting future Canadian healthcare (similar to what Bush did when he was in).

Romney is trying to sell to the rest of Americans that there's too much government 'interference' in people's lives, too costly etc. What the poorly educated (and lower income levels) believe this means is that they will cut gov't positions and cut the costs, saving money for taxpayers. What it actually means is they are going to cut basic social systems that catch and provide for people on the starvation/ desperation/ poverty line, including children, while they refuse to tax the rich. He has no plan to provide incentives for cororations to keep jobs in the USA even though he brags about the 12million he'll create if he's president. That 12million stat, btw, is there *regardless* of whomever becomes president. He's using this to pacify his silly followers. It was put out as a prediction of the jobs to be created in the next uear anyway (duh-look it up!) This is why Obama rightly states Romney's plan doesn't add up, they HAVE to start taxing the rich if they want to not be the next country to declare bankruptcy.

What my oh and i found hilarious is that Romney stayed that people vote for a peaceful president. Then he starts talking about how the USA has less boats then back in 1800 (or whatever his dumb numbers were). He can't stick to one story and puts out all sorts of garbage statements ( he sounds like the drunk highschool flunky that Bush did).

Romney clearly has his head up his arse and Harper in Canada is just another greedy corporatist giving away the rights and freedoms in his 'omnibus' style legislation (railroading like Bush did-think about all the corporatist laws Bush passed while American's were preoccupied with 911). There's a new movement in my city called 'anything but conservative'. To stategically get the left party voted in in each riding. The most likely left party to win, doesn't matter which one. So to stop the Conservatives from destroying the rest of what we have left and sink to the level that the Americans are at (in healthcare, national debt etc). Obama will win, unless Romney, like Bush, cheats.


Um the Obamacare is ultimately a tax. So under Obama's plan he wants to raise taxes.
Healthcare should be left up to the individual states. What works for one state doesn't work for another...that is why having a federal program doesn't work. Plus the plan is so expensive that the likelyhood of going bankrupt is real. Also we are already starting to see doctors not accept Medicaid paitients because the government does not pay out enough to cover the overhead costs (the building, nurses, malpractice insurance which is exxtremely expensive)

I have heard of a lot of Canadians coming to the US to get care because it takes so long to get into see a specialist??? But I don't know. So does it really take that long to see a specialist if it isn't life threatening? Is there a doctor shortage there? Also I have heard from some that the Canadian healthcare is almost broke...not sure on that though as I don't have any proof or anything. Just a question.

I don't think the rich should be penalized for being rich. I also don't think we should have to pay for people who abuse the system. Its so nuts that people who really need the help can't get it but those that really don't need it do. We definitely need to come up with a solution to fix this. I have seen a few women who get pregnant so they don't have to go back to work and stay on Welfare longer. Makes me sick.
 
'pregnancies caused by rape were something god intended to happen' therefore you don't have to right to an abortion.
-Indiana Republican senator Richard Murdoch

That is one man speaking for who? Not me and definitely not the majority of people, he is an idiot!!
 
'pregnancies caused by rape were something god intended to happen' therefore you don't have to right to an abortion.
-Indiana Republican senator Richard Murdoch

I live in Indiana. He's a fucking idiot. :dohh:

Todd Akin (Republican) said you can't get pregnant from legitimate rape. :dohh:
 
Oh don't get me started on the "legitimate rape" shite :dohh: :grr: :growlmad: MORONS!
 
Rick Gudex (R) also had an ad that said he wanted police investigations when a woman has a miscarriage. :dohh:


I want the republicans to stay out of my vagina, cervix, and my body as a whole. None of their fucking business!
 
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