BF in a jacuzzi?????

[shorman]

To be honest, even if she was in the water, so what?!?

Keeping baby immersed in water would keep them warmer than sitting at the side of the pool, it'd help baby associate the water with good things and comfort and it also calms baby so that other swimmers aren't annoyed by screams.

I can't actually think of one reason for no breast feeding in the pool (obviously not a jacuzzi as babies shouldn't be in there anyway).

Ok then so you wouldn't mind someone formula feeding in a public pool? Why do I or anyone else kneed to see anyone breast feeding in the same water as me I have rights to and I am not against bf in public but if that lady was in the same water as me I would not agree with it at all totally unhygienic and it's about other people Aswell who are around you it must've your house and right to bf but it shouldn't affect what everyone else is doing.

 

[onetwothreebp]

I've never once said if its legal or not because I don't know, nor do I care! It's not my country!

 

[shorman]

Sorry if I was ever going out with my babies I would have a bottle prepared so would you mind me bottle feeding my baby to " soothe" him or her in the pool,

 

[Strike]

So, to those who say a woman should be able to BF everywhere, no matter what the rules are because a distressed baby needs the comfort right away, here's another analogy.

For those of you who have been to Vegas, you'll know what I'm talking about. For those who haven't, when you stay at a resort casino hotel you usually have to walk through the casino to get to the elevators for your room or to anywhere of substance. Of course, minors are not permitted to hang about the casino area at all. Say you're walking through the casino to get wherever you're going. What if your baby starts to fuss, you grab a stool at a slot machine, plop down and begin to feed. Would you be annoyed and make a fuss if a staff member came and told you that you couldn't nurse in the casino area? They're not saying you can't nurse in public, just not in the casino area.

 

[Tiff]

Vegas broke my heart when it came to little kiddos. Although there were minors all over the place in Excalibur when we were there 2 years ago. I remember checking in (it was around midnight local time) and there was this exhausted 3 year old or so laying face down on the floor, sobbing his heart out. Pretty sure he was exhausted but his parents were drinking and playing on the slots. It was hard to see.

Also hard to walk down the strip at like 3am and watching parents dragging along their exhausted toddlers. I suppose that's another thread for a different day though.

To answer your question, personally I wouldn't want to feed my baby in any of the casino areas. Its full of smoke and I'd probably trooper through to get to my room to feed her. But I can see where you are coming from, it was a hike and a half to get from the front of Excalibur, through the casino area then up the elevators to get to Tower 2.

 

[deafgal]

I wish a staff would call the child service on his parents

 

[Strike]

The point is though, is the lifeguards of the pool are charged with the safety of their patrons, whether they are swimming or not. They made a call that a woman BFing in (on the side of?) the pool was a safety risk and so they asked her to move. Who are we to tell them how to do their jobs? We aren't lifeguards.

In fact, how many times have we all gotten pissed off because someone tried to tell us how to parent our own children? These people aren't the parents of our child. How dare they tell us how to do our jobs! The nerve!

How, then, can we tell someone else how to do their job, whether we agree with it or not?

 

[staralfur]

That's a good point, Strike. I do think there are places which have rules in effect that should apply the same to a breastfeeding mom and child the same as anyone else, and that's a good example.

I totally understand nursing to calm your baby down. I still nurse my almost 16 month old 10 times a day sometimes if she's fussy or uncomfortable or whatever. She has ALWAYS relied heavily on boob for comfort.

But with a 9 month old, like the baby in the jacuzzi story, I think it's usually possible to find another means of soothing for a minute until you can find a more appropriate place to nurse.

This kind of reminds me of that story where the woman asked for a chair in Claire's to feed her baby and the manager asked her to move. It's a tiny store and it was around Christmas, so undoubtedly busy, and my thoughts on that were pretty similar to how I feel about this. Why on earth do it in an inconvenient place or where there are no food/drink rules in place, when you can take a moment to find somewhere else? Again, we're not talking about a toilet here. Take a seat beside the pool. Take the baby into the mall and sit down across from the store. I don't see why this is so difficult with an OLDER baby.

 

[Tiff]

If what the staff said was true about how it was "nasty and disgusting" then I would agree for her to be outraged on that aspect.

I remember that story about Claire's! Hard for me to wrap my mind around that one as our Claire's is directly in front of the food court. Plus that is one tiny, cramped, stuffed to the teeth type of store as well.

 

[MommyJogger]

So, to those who say a woman should be able to BF everywhere, no matter what the rules are because a distressed baby needs the comfort right away, here's another analogy.

For those of you who have been to Vegas, you'll know what I'm talking about. For those who haven't, when you stay at a resort casino hotel you usually have to walk through the casino to get to the elevators for your room or to anywhere of substance. Of course, minors are not permitted to hang about the casino area at all. Say you're walking through the casino to get wherever you're going. What if your baby starts to fuss, you grab a stool at a slot machine, plop down and begin to feed. Would you be annoyed and make a fuss if a staff member came and told you that you couldn't nurse in the casino area? They're not saying you can't nurse in public, just not in the casino area.

I was under the impression (and it might be different in different countries) that bf is allowed anywhere mom and baby are allowed to be. For example, a building that doesn't allow women for religious reasons is not a legal place to bf. The casino has rules against minors. The baby isn't allowed to linger in the casino anyway, if I understand correctly. But I certainly wouldn't hesitate to latch him on in the carrier as we make our way through.

 

[MommyJogger]

The point is though, is the lifeguards of the pool are charged with the safety of their patrons, whether they are swimming or not. They made a call that a woman BFing in (on the side of?) the pool was a safety risk and so they asked her to move. Who are we to tell them how to do their jobs? We aren't lifeguards.

In fact, how many times have we all gotten pissed off because someone tried to tell us how to parent our own children? These people aren't the parents of our child. How dare they tell us how to do our jobs! The nerve!

How, then, can we tell someone else how to do their job, whether we agree with it or not?

Because there are laws in place that moderate how he can do his job. If it's illegal for him to ask her to move (I don't know whether it is or not), then it's illegal even if he thinks it's in his job description. Just like a parent can't beat the crap out of a child. The government does tell parents how to do their jobs, in certain ways.

 

[MommyJogger]

To be honest, even if she was in the water, so what?!?

Keeping baby immersed in water would keep them warmer than sitting at the side of the pool, it'd help baby associate the water with good things and comfort and it also calms baby so that other swimmers aren't annoyed by screams.

I can't actually think of one reason for no breast feeding in the pool (obviously not a jacuzzi as babies shouldn't be in there anyway).

Ok then so you wouldn't mind someone formula feeding in a public pool? Why do I or anyone else kneed to see anyone breast feeding in the same water as me I have rights to and I am not against bf in public but if that lady was in the same water as me I would not agree with it at all totally unhygienic and it's about other people Aswell who are around you it must've your house and right to bf but it shouldn't affect what everyone else is doing.

Please, if breast milk bothers you, don't think about the other junk in the pool. And we've already said that breast milk will get in the pool no matter what if a mother is lactating, especially if she has a fussy baby in tow.

 

[MommyJogger]

Why on earth do it in an inconvenient place or where there are no food/drink rules in place, when you can take a moment to find somewhere else? Again, we're not talking about a toilet here. Take a seat beside the pool. Take the baby into the mall and sit down across from the store. I don't see why this is so difficult with an OLDER baby.

That Claires story really was so strange and I definitely agree that mom needed to gtfo. In this case, though, if getting in the water was stressful to the baby, can you really imagine taking your 9 mo old in the pool, he gets stressed out, climb out of the pool, boob him. Then try to get back in the pool He gets stressed out, you have to get out again, boob him. Then try to get back in the pool. He gets stressed out, ad nauseum. Wouldn't it make more sense anyway to just boob him in the water for 1 minute so that he's calm in the water. Instead of the safety risk of getting in/out/in/out/in/out of the pool however many times it takes with a wet baby in your arms screaming and posturing over hard tiles?

 

[beanzz]

I think it would have been better done away from the actual pool itself. Like some pools have areas with plastic tables and chairs so non swimmers can sit and watch and sometimes it's okay to eat in those spots, that would be a good place to breastfeed.

I agree with people saying the whole idea of normalising nursing is to see it the same as a child or adult eating so she was actually being treated fairly by being asked to nurse somewhere else. This isn't an outrage like when people are asked to leave cafes, I think she just felt embarrassed and wanted to make them seem bad to make herself feel better

 

[deafgal]

Why on earth do it in an inconvenient place or where there are no food/drink rules in place, when you can take a moment to find somewhere else? Again, we're not talking about a toilet here. Take a seat beside the pool. Take the baby into the mall and sit down across from the store. I don't see why this is so difficult with an OLDER baby.

That Claires story really was so strange and I definitely agree that mom needed to gtfo. In this case, though, if getting in the water was stressful to the baby, can you really imagine taking your 9 mo old in the pool, he gets stressed out, climb out of the pool, boob him. Then try to get back in the pool He gets stressed out, you have to get out again, boob him. Then try to get back in the pool. He gets stressed out, ad nauseum. Wouldn't it make more sense anyway to just boob him in the water for 1 minute so that he's calm in the water. Instead of the safety risk of getting in/out/in/out/in/out of the pool however many times it takes with a wet baby in your arms screaming and posturing over hard tiles?

Personally, I would just go home. it appears to be too much for the LO. If her baby is crying too much, why does she need to stay?

 

[deafgal]

And some people nicpic "just for the name of fairness" when parents are trying to do their job ....such as no breastfeeding or bottlefeeding in bus because of the no foods or drinks when they are just trying to feed their babies.

 

[MommyJogger]

And some people nicpic just for the name of fairness when parents are trying to do their job ....such as no breastfeeding or bottlefeeding in bus because of the no foods or drinks when they are just trying to feed their babies.

That's just mean. You should be able to do either. Stuff like this is why bm and formula shouldn't fall under normal food and drink rules. Some people (esp poorer people where I am) rely on buses to get to things like doctor's appts or child care facilities.

ETA: re: going home. I'm actually a firm believer in water exposure from very early on. Babies being comfortable in the water, learning not to panic, and how to stay afloat from very early on can save their life. I'd never leave my baby unattended near water, but I want him to be as prepared as possible should shit happen. Mine was very upset by the water when first introduced. He's quite comfortable now and knows how/that he should float on his back if let go. I don't think babies should necessarily lose out on the opportunity just because they don't understand they're in a safe place. I guess that's one of the main reasons I'm so insistent that she should be able to do what she needs to do in that pool as long as it's legal. I think it's important for her baby to be there.

 

[deafgal]

I don't think it happen (except maybe some snide remarks here and there by other people riding the bus) but I do know it definitely happened in restaurants where they think BF is similar to using a restroom! Therefore if they can't pee in public, then women as shouldn't bf in public! And that was one of the reasons law took place to protect breastfeeding moms.

 

[deafgal]

I was talking about it is possible the child could be super tired and overwhelmed. Or in that mother's case, the child feels too hot.

 

[MommyJogger]

I was talking about it is possible the child could be super tired and overwhelmed. Or in that mother's case, the child feels too hot.

Ah, I see your point about being tired/over it. (Just fyi, she was in a kid's pool, not a jacuzzi, so prob not hot, lol.)