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[milkmachine]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

If you look at science you can find anything you want to suit your cause. In the 1920's cases of infant mortality was much higher. I am no fan of formula companies believe me, but this thread is in the formula feeding section and therefore I feel we should be here to offer support to those who FF.

i suppose we wernt as advanced medically then as we are now, i support those who have tried to breastfeed and for what ever reason cant i dont support saying that formula is better or as good as breast milk. it is however a close second.

 

[milkmachine]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

nothing wrong with my body the first time 4 hr labour start to finish
2nd labour i was minutes from losing my son, who was ripped from me in a crash section. so whats wrong with the design of my body nothing natural or normal about that FACT
i think thats a very emotive thing to say if i'm honest,

im sorry if you find my comment emotive.

 

[helen1234]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

nothing wrong with my body the first time 4 hr labour start to finish
2nd labour i was minutes from losing my son, who was ripped from me in a crash section. so whats wrong with the design of my body nothing natural or normal about that FACT
i think thats a very emotive thing to say if i'm honest,

im sorry if you find my comment emotive.

thats ok, i just get miffed when people say its natural or normal to give birth and breast feed as we only know too well not everyone is the same.

 

[milkmachine]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

nothing wrong with my body the first time 4 hr labour start to finish
2nd labour i was minutes from losing my son, who was ripped from me in a crash section. so whats wrong with the design of my body nothing natural or normal about that FACT
i think thats a very emotive thing to say if i'm honest,

im sorry if you find my comment emotive.

thats ok, i just get miffed when people say its natural or normal to give birth and breast feed as we only know too well not everyone is the same.

im just trying to say that at the most basic level of existance these are the things we are designed to do. these things do not always go to plan and there can often be trauma and tears along the way. i have in no way set out to make a guilt trip. not once have i said 'oh people that didnt breastfeed are bad people' or what ever. everyone is diff and thats what makes us all interesting.

 

[soliloquise]

Kala you have misunderstood me. I am not saying there is anything wrong with FF if that is best for you and your baby. The point is that breast milk contains all the nutrients for a baby which are 100% compatible. Formula is a substitute. I am not saying it is wrong or bad for your baby.

xx

It only contains all the nutrients if the mother is eating them herself. Some said (i think) that its mostly young lower class mums who dont even think about BF but alot probably couldnt afford the best most nutritious food so there baby wouldt get much from BF

this is not true....
it is almost always beneficial to BF even if you have a methadone habit for example because the benefits are considered to outweigh the tiny smidge of opiate transference. you would have to have a dire diet for BF to be affected. a bad diet will affect the mum's health way b4 the milk quality

 

[Lisa1302]

milkmachine

ref the your Lactivist Intactivist thingy in your sig - I googled it as I wasn't sure what it was -

I have to agree with the Intactivist part - shocking really isn't it.

 

[milkmachine]

milkmachine

ref the your Lactivist Intactivist thingy in your sig - I googled it as I wasn't sure what it was -

I have to agree with the Intactivist part - shocking really isn't it.

it is totally, that will start another debate lol!

 

[Twiglet]

In all honesty, threads like these really hurt me and piddle me off.

My baby is growing perfectly fine, she's well, I don't "like" giving her formula but it's a choice I made at the time because it was right for me. Breast is not natural for everyone...you have to appreciate most people have reasons for not bfing...I for one do and they are very valid reason.

I will attempt bfing my next but not because I regret doing it this time but because the other mum's in the parenting journal I'm a part of have supported me and will support me continousally when the time comes.

So long as a baby is fed, well and growing that's all that matters to me.

 

[Lisa1302]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

If you look at science you can find anything you want to suit your cause. In the 1920's cases of infant mortality was much higher. I am no fan of formula companies believe me, but this thread is in the formula feeding section and therefore I feel we should be here to offer support to those who FF.

i suppose we wernt as advanced medically then as we are now, i support those who have tried to breastfeed and for what ever reason cant i dont support saying that formula is better or as good as breast milk. it is however a close second.

I agree with this, I FF after 'failing' at BF but I still think BM is the best if it is possible.

 

[milkmachine]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

If you look at science you can find anything you want to suit your cause. In the 1920's cases of infant mortality was much higher. I am no fan of formula companies believe me, but this thread is in the formula feeding section and therefore I feel we should be here to offer support to those who FF.

i suppose we wernt as advanced medically then as we are now, i support those who have tried to breastfeed and for what ever reason cant i dont support saying that formula is better or as good as breast milk. it is however a close second.

I agree with this, I FF after 'failing' at BF but I still think BM is the best if it is possible.

this is all i was saying from the start.......

 

[alice&bump]

going back a bit... the reason formula adverts say "not a breastmilk substitute" is that they're not allowed to advertise infant formulas, its only followon milk you see advertised, which isnt a substitute for breastmilk and would make a newborn poorly.

and the rich people FF thing, at our clinic, its mainly rich, up their own arses type people and when i had katie, i was in the minority BF, i think now there's a lot more emphasis on BF, when i've been in recently it seemed more people were.

anywya, what i really wanted to say whats best for one person isnt necessarily best for another. whats best for one person at one point in their life, isnt necessaril best at another. i BF katie for 5 months ish and was absolutely determined to do it, i had to stop in the end cos she wasnt gaining weight and my milk was going. this time however, i tried BF, i sat up all night feeding for the first couple of nights, and i couldnt cope. it just wouldnt have worked out for us, i was getting no sleep and couldnt do the whole sleep when baby's sleeping thing, cos i had another baby to look after. it would have driven me crazy!! so it was best for all 3 of us that i FF this time.

at the end of the day, as long as baby's being fed and mummy and baby are happy thats all that matters!

 

[ryder]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

If you look at science you can find anything you want to suit your cause. In the 1920's cases of infant mortality was much higher. I am no fan of formula companies believe me, but this thread is in the formula feeding section and therefore I feel we should be here to offer support to those who FF.

i suppose we wernt as advanced medically then as we are now, i support those who have tried to breastfeed and for what ever reason cant i dont support saying that formula is better or as good as breast milk. it is however a close second.

If that is how you feel then you should get out of this thread because this is the formula feeding mothers section and we are meant to support each other.

Not leave condescending remarks about others choices.

I tried bfing and didn't enjoy it so I stopped. So what? That makes me a bad person?? Does that make me undeserving of your approval and support? I guess so.

Get off the fucking high horse.

 

[mommyof3co]

I'm not sure why saying "breastfeeding is normal" would be offensive to FF moms? There can be more than one normal. I think the poster that suggested that just meant that it should be seen as normal not as an odd thing to do. Alot of BF moms get bad looks and comments from nursing in public, if it was seen as the normal thing to do people wouldn't even think twice seeing a mom nursing somewhere. But by saying breastfeeding is normal doesn't mean you are saying formula feeding isn't or is bad?

 

[RJ01]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

If you look at science you can find anything you want to suit your cause. In the 1920's cases of infant mortality was much higher. I am no fan of formula companies believe me, but this thread is in the formula feeding section and therefore I feel we should be here to offer support to those who FF.

i suppose we wernt as advanced medically then as we are now, i support those who have tried to breastfeed and for what ever reason cant i dont support saying that formula is better or as good as breast milk. it is however a close second.

If that is how you feel then you should get out of this thread because this is the formula feeding mothers section and we are meant to support each other.

Not leave condescending remarks about others choices.

I tried bfing and didn't enjoy it so I stopped. So what? That makes me a bad person?? Does that make me undeserving of your approval and support? I guess so.

Get off the fucking high horse.

Don't think that was necessary.

 

[milkmachine]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

If you look at science you can find anything you want to suit your cause. In the 1920's cases of infant mortality was much higher. I am no fan of formula companies believe me, but this thread is in the formula feeding section and therefore I feel we should be here to offer support to those who FF.

i suppose we wernt as advanced medically then as we are now, i support those who have tried to breastfeed and for what ever reason cant i dont support saying that formula is better or as good as breast milk. it is however a close second.

If that is how you feel then you should get out of this thread because this is the formula feeding mothers section and we are meant to support each other.

Not leave condescending remarks about others choices.

I tried bfing and didn't enjoy it so I stopped. So what? That makes me a bad person?? Does that make me undeserving of your approval and support? I guess so.

Get off the fucking high horse.

my remark wasnt condescending at all formula is a good close second to breastmilk. it is not AS good as breastmilk if it were formula companys wouldnt spend millions trying to replicate that. im sorry that you didnt enjoy breast feeding. thats not my problem really. so there isnt any need to swear at me is there? human milk is best for human babies formula is great if for what ever reason you cannot breastfeed. did i once say that you are a bad person? did i once say that you are undeserving of my approval or suppot? NO so dont let things spin around in your little head into something that they are not. THAT remark was condescending. i do not appreciate being sworn at.

 

[milkmachine]

I'm not sure why saying "breastfeeding is normal" would be offensive to FF moms? There can be more than one normal. I think the poster that suggested that just meant that it should be seen as normal not as an odd thing to do. Alot of BF moms get bad looks and comments from nursing in public, if it was seen as the normal thing to do people wouldn't even think twice seeing a mom nursing somewhere. But by saying breastfeeding is normal doesn't mean you are saying formula feeding isn't or is bad?

exactly. but the 'formula police' got on their 'fucking high horses'

 

[Kayleigh09]

Kala you have misunderstood me. I am not saying there is anything wrong with FF if that is best for you and your baby. The point is that breast milk contains all the nutrients for a baby which are 100% compatible. Formula is a substitute. I am not saying it is wrong or bad for your baby.

xx

It only contains all the nutrients if the mother is eating them herself. Some said (i think) that its mostly young lower class mums who dont even think about BF but alot probably couldnt afford the best most nutritious food so there baby wouldt get much from BF

My thoughts exactly, i was telling my partner about this yesterday and we both agreed breastfeeding is only good if you live a nice pure and healthy lifestyle. At least with FF you know your baby is getting exactly what they need no matter if you're having a 'junk food' day (like i'm sure we all like to every now and then!!) and also with FF you can see what they drink and know exactly what they have. Also, i may be wrong but FF babies go longer between feeds than BF babies

 

[ellismum]

Kala you have misunderstood me. I am not saying there is anything wrong with FF if that is best for you and your baby. The point is that breast milk contains all the nutrients for a baby which are 100% compatible. Formula is a substitute. I am not saying it is wrong or bad for your baby.

xx

It only contains all the nutrients if the mother is eating them herself. Some said (i think) that its mostly young lower class mums who dont even think about BF but alot probably couldnt afford the best most nutritious food so there baby wouldt get much from BF

My thoughts exactly, i was telling my partner about this yesterday and we both agreed breastfeeding is only good if you live a nice pure and healthy lifestyle. At least with FF you know your baby is getting exactly what they need no matter if you're having a 'junk food' day (like i'm sure we all like to every now and then!!) and also with FF you can see what they drink and know exactly what they have. Also, i may be wrong but FF babies go longer between feeds than BF babies

I disagree with this pure and healthy lifestyle malarkey. I didn't and Ellis thrived! Also, FF babies go longer because FF is harder for them to digest and for me to FF just so I could get him to go longer was selfish on my part.

 

[Kayleigh09]

so FF isnt normal??

its normal in modern times but its not normal from a how we are made to work point of view.....we were made with breasts to breastfeed.

I HATE reading that. Just because we have breasts does not mean its natural to everyone. Nature is flawed, just like every human being and sometimes physically or emotionally breastfeeding just isn't "natural" to some people.

I dont like reading people say they cant understand why people dont try and bf.... like its none of your damn business! Some people just arn't comfortable with it and there is no need to make them feel guilty.

before the 1920s there was no formula you either breastfed your babies(what your breasts are designed to do) a family member did it for you or your baby died. i totally understand that its not for everyone. i didnt have an easy time of it at all. in fact i used to sit watching my baby sleeping in dread that she would wake and need feeding because it hurt so much. it was not natural for me at first at all but i delt with it and carried on as if formula wasnt an option. we as women are designed to give birth and breastfeed. its natural and normal. im not putting anyone on a guilt trip... if you look at science its what we are made to do....

nothing wrong with my body the first time 4 hr labour start to finish
2nd labour i was minutes from losing my son, who was ripped from me in a crash section. so whats wrong with the design of my body nothing natural or normal about that FACT
i think thats a very emotive thing to say if i'm honest,

I agree with your post 100% hun, i dont think there is a NORMAL. I was 2 weeks late with summer, given 2 pessaries, dilated to 1cm then they managed (only just!) to break my waters which is horrible, anyone who knows that feeling will totally understand and that still didnt do anything, i was contracting but no dilation so i ended up with a c section because Summers heart rate was dropping with each contraction. I also couldnt breast feed, i tried, probably not for as long as others and i may be frowned on for not trying very long but i was satisfied that i'd tried and managed to exclusively feed Summer breast milk for 4 days. So in summary i dont think its very nice to say that Breast feeding and giving birth is normal because some people just cant do either.. Thats the way it is.