Chinese Accupuncture

[Blythe]

i cannot find my emails from the CR...must have deleted them.

i was in contact with these guys in Germany....

www.fertilitycenterberlin.de

they do a full stim cycle inc. meds for less than 4K euros...not sure what they charge for natural although Dovkav was doing them for peanuts wasn't she?

 

[Briss]

Blythe, I did not know you were in pain for a week after EC. How do you know you did not have internal bleeding? Did you have a scan after EC?

I did not have any pain at all or bleeding after EC at Create, both times.

I still need to be very careful when I go to the toilet or tmi passing gas cos I can get sudden sharp pain if I am not careful. breathing is also still hard. I am more concerned with my ovaries cos i can feel them as if I am about to O. I really feel there must be something they can do to make sure I do not get more damage but at the moment I am not taking anything except for antibiotics. I wonder if there is a specialised gyno clinic in London and a great doctor that i could go to privately? do not even know where to look for it.

I think you are supposed to spend up to 10 days in CR, go there a few days before EC and yes you start stims in the UK, they can help with getting the meds, you can also do scans here in the UK. I joined FF thread on this Czech clinic.

Dovkav had two clinics but she recommended the second one which was a bit more expensive. also I did not find anyone else why cycles with them so could not get more information.

 

[Juliars]

I didnt know about those personally, but I realized that I was doing some of that stuff inadvertently while trying to maintain a healthy lifestle. Now Im pregnant, and I really think it was because of that lifestyle change.

I think its a good direction to go in, especially in comparison to the poison they give us and inject us with.

 

[Blythe]

Briss - i never had a scan after EC....i just remember being in a great deal of pain and my ovaries were throbbing with pain. I just thought that was standard. But it did get better after a week or so and once i had a bleed i felt more able to start moving away from the anger and heartbreak of it all. I wish i had had an embryo put back in and then it failed then...it would have been easier for me to draw a line under it all and move forward but zero fertilisation is really tuff. Actually it would all be much easier to deal with if it wasn't so awfully expensive.

How are you? are you back at work? are you still in pain?

i haven't been taking any supplements for weeks now and i actually feel no different physically or mentally. All that money and they have made no difference....well at least nothing i could describe. I always read the amazon reviews and have always been excited to try something new thinking it will do something amazing. Having said all this i think i will start taking my vit e, vit d spray and sprirulina or algae capsules and leave it at that. Once they are finished i will re-evaluate.

i have some new goals [made when very hungover]:

no drinking till december
lose one stone by December
gym/yoga 3 x per week
no junk food [well not much]

i feel very motivated so really hoping to look hot by christmas!

 

[Briss]

having gone through zero fertilisation twice now I am totally with you. I feel like in 4 years TTC I really had only one real chance at pregnancy when I had embryo put back on my first IVF.

I am still at home but working most of the time. My mum had a chat with a few doctors at her clinic and they all expressed concerns that I am just left with all that blood inside. some said I needed a lap to clean it, others said I need therapy for the blood to dissolve cos it won't do that by itself apparently there is an element in blood that can create all sort of issues when left like that. i am worried sick I need to seek second opinion and most likely privately but I can't find a good gyno. Mum also said everyone was absolutely shocked that something like this could have happened cos it's so dangerous apparently. I do not want to think about that, it's just too scary

I like your new goals! Mine unfortunately are far more basic just to get out of this mess unharmed and with my reproductive health unaffected...

I asked about the scan because after they diagnosed me I started reading and found so many posts by ladies who describe their pain after EC and it was very similar to what I had and it got me thinking that maybe there are many cases of bleeding that go undiagnosed because women do not go to emergency and wait it out and it does become less painful every day. I am 80% back to normal except for pain in my belly button when I touch it it's really sore. but somehow I still have all this blood inside moving about, you can't even tell.

they told me my bloods were fine but when I asked for the results there were half of the items higher or lower than norm. but they did change my antibiotics.

 

[alison29]

Hi Guys!
My goals recently eat 200 or calorie or less dinner (no food after 7)
drink 3/4 gal water a day, no more then one unit alcohol
grow amazing eyelashes (ordered the latisse stuff online)
not care about my lack of you know what!

I like your absitence till december blythe. Maybe i can get to that place again too. I was using food as replacement for wine therapy though so i am likeing that my jeans fit better now!

My brother inlaws wife just announced a pregnancy. My FIL said to dh they should abort it right away. Nice huh? I guess they are done with grandchildren and dislike the mom to be.

Briss I sure hope you heal up soon. What is holding you back from the lap? Work or just another procedure is too much with doctors that already screwed up?

 

[Briss]

lap as any surgery can create complications as well. but I am actually not offered one, the clinic did not think it was necessary and i do not know if it's just a cost issue considering it's the NHS or whether this is indeed the best way forward.

my MIL is visiting, she could not pick better timing I am so bloated after the stims and all that blood, she asked if I was expecting.... I am sure you can imagine how I felt

I am going back to work tomorrow but I really do not know how to explain all this, people do not just get 1.5 weeks off sick so there will be questions

 

[smurfy]

lap as any surgery can create complications as well. but I am actually not offered one, the clinic did not think it was necessary and i do not know if it's just a cost issue considering it's the NHS or whether this is indeed the best way forward.

my MIL is visiting, she could not pick better timing I am so bloated after the stims and all that blood, she asked if I was expecting.... I am sure you can imagine how I felt

I am going back to work tomorrow but I really do not know how to explain all this, people do not just get 1.5 weeks off sick so there will be questions

I hope your first day back goes ok. I know what you mean when I was signed off with OHSS in July I came up with a reaction to the day surgery I was having - they all brought it as they new I was in having something done. My doctor wrote on my sick note it was post op recovery. Take it easy I hope your are recovering well. take care

 

[alison29]

Briss would it be TMI to tell them simply "female problems" this makes all men back off right a way and honestly most women too. Although i had a friend ask when i was going in for a lap if i was shutting down the baby maker or getting it ready for another. I just said neither it's a cyst I was hoping that was what was in the way of my fertility.

 

[Briss]

alison, I am slightly afraid to say "female problems" as this may imply mc and they will start thinking I am TTC.

smurfy, in the end I said something similar to yours i.e. post op complications, and mentioned to a couple of people a few graphic details of internal abdominal bleeding, the pain etc etc, everyone felt sorry for me but I was told I look really well for a sick person goes to show that even being in hospital is healthier than working in the city... a friend who visited me yesterday actually also mentioned I should out something while/greenish on my face to make me look ill cos I look pretty well it was actually nice being at home, I cooked proper meals, slept all I wanted!! I could easily stay at home for a month.

been back at the clinic for a scan and was told things seem to be moving in the right direction, bloods are slightly better so I may make full recovery. but a doc told me if I consider more IVF we need to be careful with EC next time slightly worried now. they started me on large doses of iron cos my levels are super low

I got my work insurance to cover a visit to a consultant at a different hospital, just want a second opinion on this situation.

 

[somedayisnow]

Briss, I'm so happy that you're being to feel better. I was worried about you.

 

[Blythe]

Briss - i see you are on CD2...me too! I do hope that starting a new cycle can help you start moving away from this round of IVF and focusing on new ventures.

i hope that your week back at work has been ok. I see from your chart you are taking Haema....somethingorother...is that an antibiotic related to the internal bleeding?

on a completely unrelated matter we have squirrels in our loft...lots of them! i had a second visit from the rentokill chap this morning and he has laid some more bate....they did in fact set a trap off and i could hear the poor squirrel flailing around but when opening the loft this morning both the squirrel and the trap had disappeared. I can see them coming out of the hole in the roof most mornings and they just sit there looking at me...they have taken all the bait but refuse to die. There are lots of babies there too and i see the bigger ones looking at me I feel quite bad about being a baby squirrel killer and feel that it is possibly putting out bad vibes to the universe which obviously is why i did not get pregnant this month!!

 

[Briss]

Blythe, poor you fighting squirrels! must be very upsetting but that's really not the reason for a failed cycle I am sure you have enough good vibes being sent out to the universe my mum has a theory why this awful thing happened to me - full moon! there was full moon on the day of my EC so here you are...

I am having nightmares every night, see myself taking out my friends' children for walks, going through many more IVFs all failing, two days ago it was breast milk! I dreamt as if I had breast milk but had to donate it... all very upsetting I am also scared to see this private doctor next week what if he tells me something awful and different from what my clinic is telling me about my situation. when I had my first scan at the hospital my left ovary (the only one working properly) was fine but when I came to my clinic two days after they said it was bleeding and now there is a huge bruise on it did it start bleeding later? I am so confused and worried.

I am taking iron - Ferrous Sulphate and antibiotic co-amoxiclav. Haematoperitoneum is my diagnosis basically blood in abdomen, I added it to FF so i know how long it is taking for it to be absorbed

 

[Blythe]

I understand your fears around seeing a new consultant..but the more information you have the better able you are to deal with it. i hope the information he gives you is reassuring because you certainly deserve a break.

i have not had a dream about babies nor TTC related for so very long. After my failed IVF i had a burst of really wanting to do everything i could to get pregnant but now i don't have that. My DH has been drinking a fair bit...bottle of wine in the evening...not every evening but some. He shouted last night saying he needed a break...from the tablets, herbs, no drink etc etc Thats fair enough as i completely understand. I don't even know if cutting out the booze really helps.....or the chinese herbs. I would be very interested to see if his count has improved after completing a course of herbs but he won't go near a clinic right now and I'm not too keen to return either.

i was going to take clomid this month but i don't think i will as my ovaries have been throbbing all month..i think they are still recovering from the IVF meds and another round of clomid i did after. I think i will take it when i have lost my stone which will happen by 1 dec.

 

[Briss]

re booze, it really is so random, isn't? I was so sure beer was damaging DH's sperm but now he's been off it for so long and his SA is getting worse. either his hormonal treatment is making it worse or it really is random why SA is slightly better some months and much worse the others.

I am really hoping this new consultant can advise me properly on my situation, but obviously there is a risk he may say I need a surgery and this is scary. In a way hearing that ovaries are resilient and they will recover makes me feel better but as soon as I left my clinic worries start getting into my head what if they are just saying that so i do not make a fuss about the damage they caused me...

I think you need to give your ovaries a break in between your stimulation cycles. even clomid has an affect on them. That Czech clinic does mild stims with 75mg of menopur + chlomid, all low doses but poor responders somehow respond really well to this type of low stim and it does not affect egg quality so you can easily try it if you still have some menopur left. (if not I have plenty left so can post it to you as I am not going near that stuff any time soon).

I only lost 1 kg since EC can't believe how much weight I've put on in the last month but am really not focused on that now, am having coffee and pastries every morning and to hell with it, my fertility diet did not help counteract negative effect of stim meds and damage of EC so i am beginning to think it's really not important what I eat

 

[Blythe]

Briss - how very lovely to offer those drugs.....i ended up using all the gonal f i had as i was on 450iu for about 12 days in the end so it all went. I may well take you up on your kind offer.

But, i think you are right that bodies need rest and i think i will lay off anything other than my vit d spray, vit e capsules and multi vit for at least 2 months.

Hey, losing 1 kg since EC is good...i still have my weight from the ivf cycle and that was 2 cycles ago! You enjoy those coffees and pastries. When i did become pregnant i could not have been leading a more unhealthy life...i was a real party girl and my insides must have been pickled. on top of that i was deeply depressed but it happened then and we had sex once that month and after ovulation day. It was in the morning before work and i got out of bed almost immediately. The longer i do this crap the more i think it is just pure luck. I just cling on now hoping one good egg will drop and just one of DH's drunken sperm will reach it. Still, i do wish we had the funds to do IVF as it does increase chances...although again it is just luck as i follow the girls going through it and even those marvellous looking 5 day blasts are not leading to pregnancies in much younger women and poor grade eggs are leading to pregnancies in older women. Its all such a gamble. So just have to keep going and know that eventually we will both get lucky

 

[Briss]

Blythe, any time just let me know. I was also on 450 but I only had 8 days of stims before my LH started to go up and they had to trigger me so have some left. I have 12x75 menopur (might be a few more left from last year's cycle), at least 3 cetrotides, some progesterone and progunova. I also have steroids for egg quality during stims which clearly did not work for me but obviously it's be great to get some medical advice if you are OK to take these.

I so wish you had the funds to do another IVF at a better clinic. I was just talking to a friend the other day about my failed IVf, the only one I shared this with and we were comparing the UK prices vs Czech and other countries and it just seems so unfair that we in the UK can't have access to these treatments just because of the money, why can't we have the same price level as other European countries.

My MIL is leaving today, it's bad to say this bit I am so glad, she is not a bad person just a very difficult one and this time she made it very clear that she thinks we are terrible people for not giving her grandchildren...

 

[Blythe]

thank you so so mud - i am very touched.

well done for surviving the MIL.....some women can be so insensitive and judgemental. I know it does not come from a bad place but my MIL just leaves me feeling so bad after spending any time with her. Maybe i am too sensitive but i just pick up things my DH fails to register at all.

i think all my squirrels died today as i cannot hear or see them anymore. i am happy because they were noisy little sods but also sad because i am a squirrel killer. Also a bit distressed about thought of decaying bodies above me.....

 

[Briss]

My MIL was kinda hinting that my DH should find smb else who can give him children... she probably thinks it's all my fault and was saying things like women can have children in their 50s nowadays!!! really??? do you have any idea how these things even work!! It was so hurtful listening to these things while recovering from and being in pain from being literally kicked in my ovaries but my DH completely failed to register any of that so no point complaining he would think me absurd.

I am sorry about the squirrels, it must make you feel so uneasy but there was no other way.

 

[alison29]

I wanted to let you guys know you are making me laugh on this monday morning Thanks! The squirells and the drunken sperm too funny. Me and my friend at work often make fun of the stupid swimmers for missing the goals. Yep same goes for my dh only ad p-t. But I think it' s my problem anyway regardless of how many chemicals he ingests. Squirrels, my dh gets out a bb gun and shoots them while i am out of the house. They are destructive little buggers. Everyone around here calls them tree rats.