Disco Derail! - TTCAL/PAL Discussion and Support!

[cazza22]

Cazza - Avocados are my favorite...had one tonight with a bit of salt...yum! Glad your baby is busy growing.

do u know what chick.. I've never had one not ever?? I have no idea how big or small they are I just know there bigger than an orange because that was last week hehe xxxx glad there yummy though xxxx

 

[heart tree]

Thanks Cazza babe. You are so sweet. Yup, it is going to happen for you! So exciting! When is your next scan?

Wow, I can't believe you've never had an avocado. They are delicious. One of my all time favorites! They actually come in different sizes. Some are smaller than oranges. Some are really big. The ones I had in Hawaii were almost the size of a melon! But they are a decent size regardless.

 

[LucyJ]

Happy 16 weeks Caz, I'm doing ok I think feel a bit rough tonight everything I eat tastes a bit odd my nose is blocked up so may be that. Starting to feel really nervous about the scan tomorrow so scared. I feel sick but think that may be nerves rather than pregnancy although hope it is due being pregnant as it's hard to believe I am if that makes sense.

My sil craved avocados when she was pregnant with my niece I'm not a fan of them don't like the texture.

 

[Allie84]

Happy 16 weeks Cazz!!! You definitely need to try an avocado, they are soooo yummy. Have you ever had guacamole? That's pretty much seasoned avocado.

Hoping, yeah I'm going to still do my CBFM I think so I have some idea of ovulation. But I don't think I will ovulate until CD30 something so I might stop poas on pricey sticks by then.

Oh, and did you notice your AF was worse than usual? If it was a pretty normal AF then I bet it was just an evap and not a chemical.

 

[heart tree]

Lucy, I know you already know this, but you'll only be 5 weeks 6 days tomorrow. There is a huge possibility that you won't see a hb. I want you to prepare yourself for that. Also, they might not see as much as you would like. It doesn't mean there is something wrong, it just means it may be too early.

Allie, you might Ov sooner than you think. I think it is a good idea to keep track whether by CBFM or temping just so you know. It will be good to be armed with info for your doc in case you want to try meds.

 

[sugarlove]

Hi girls. How are you all doing?

Hearty big I'm sorry but I've missed what you're doing with the expert that you were going to see? When is your appt sweetie? This bloke may be able to really help you. Spotting can still mean BFP, so try not to lose heart yet. I feel your pain with the ovay pain. I'm about 4/5dpo and eel like someone's stabbing me with a knife in the ovaries.

Boo to those who are back at work

That link to the article made interesting reading, but some of the comments were shocking!

Yogi, hope you are feeling a bit calmer. I'm sure for you next scan, you'll see a lovely hb hun.

Hi to Dazed, Hoping, Allie, Grandblue and Cazza.

Hi to newly preggos Lucy and Megg, hope you're doing ok and looking forward to getting some happy news from your scans.

AFM, I've been in bed all day crying. Rang the hospital to see if they had a date for my lap, and apparently they are thinking of not letting me having it on the NHS as it's connected to fertility, which they aren't funding in York at the mo.

I went off on one big time and ranted on about how my Doctor referred me for pain and spotting back in July, which was nothing to do with fertility and I still haven't had the god damn lap done.

I've now got to see my GP for her to argue the toss with these stupid people. I fucking hate the NHS and wonder why I'm bothering paying my taxes! I feel like I'm fighting a losing battle here and am starting to lose hope. I'm booked to see my GP next week and if I don't get results through her, I'm putting in a formal complaint to York District hospital through the patient liaison service.

Sorry I sound such a miserable cow, I feel like I only ever post negative news on here

Sorry if I've missed anyone out
xx

 

[Allie84]

Lucy, I know you already know this, but you'll only be 5 weeks 6 days tomorrow. There is a huge possibility that you won't see a hb. I want you to prepare yourself for that. Also, they might not see as much as you would like. It doesn't mean there is something wrong, it just means it may be too early.

Allie, you might Ov sooner than you think. I think it is a good idea to keep track whether by CBFM or temping just so you know. It will be good to be armed with info for your doc in case you want to try meds.

True! I will go back to temping on Monday when I go back to work. I already have an apponitment for sometime in January and I think I will ask for an HSG and about meds. An HSG can be done in office, while awake right?

Lucy, good luck tomorrow!!! Hearty is right, you might not see a HB because it's so early. And we have seen how stressful that has been for Yogi. I really, really hope you see it but I also won't be worried if you don't.

 

[Allie84]

Gosh, Sugar, that's shocking!!! What tool decided "No, we won't let her have it done afterall" ? I want to smack him. Surely the pain and spotting, as you said, is a health issue aside from fertility! It seems like it's in York that you are getting the shaft. Are you planning on moving at any point, ha? Care seems to really differ by region. When I lived in Edinburgh I ended up switching to a surgery on the other side of town because they were the only ones who honored my freaking visa...even though the rules were the same regardless, the surgery near me just decided they wouldn't accept me with my visa. That's a silly example but it made me think of it because there has got to be some sort of accountability and constistency! Which seems to be lacking. I think it's a good idea you're filing a complaint. You're gonna get that lap done, don't worry....some one somewhere will do the right thing.

In the meantime maybe those cramps you're feeling are implantation.

 

[heart tree]

Damn Sugar, that completely sucks!!! You know even here in the US, a lot isn't covered by insurance if it considered "fertility" in nature. I just don't understand who makes these stupid decisions not to cover these procedures. Don't they want more tax payers born into the country? My insurance will cover as many D&Cs as I end up having. They will pay for all of my expenses if I get pregnant and lose a baby. But will they help me stay pregnant? NO! It's crazy. It would be a lot cheaper for the NHS to figure out your issue so you can have a baby rather than to deny you the procedure. I'm so sorry.

And don't worry about your posts. I'm Miss Negativity as well. We'll whine together.

I just got your card in the mail, btw. Thanks!

Allie you can get an HSG while awake. I did. A word of caution though. I know you don't like taking meds, but I HIGHLY recommend taking something for pain. I took a Vicodin and ibuprofen. I had the Vicodin laying around from my last mc. It helped tremendously. I took all of that because I did my hysteroscopy without anything and I seriously thought I was going to die it hurt so bad. I've heard some women say a few aspirin are all they needed, but I didn't want to take any chances.

 

[sugarlove]

Thanks Allie, it's most likely endo in all honesty which is getting more and more painful and a lap is the only way to confirm.

When ! paid to see the private Consultant, he recommended that I get a lap and hysteroscopy straight away and wrote this to the NHS, but they are ignoring him. I think I mentioned the cost last time for private - 3,500 quid and we just can't afford it if IVF is needed too.

I've even thought of moving, but you have to lived in the area for quite a while before you're eligible. Half an hour down the road in Leeds they would get this free and an IVF cycle free and 60 miles away, you can get 3 free IVF cycles. It totally sucks!

 

[Allie84]

Allie you can get an HSG while awake. I did. A word of caution though. I know you don't like taking meds, but I HIGHLY recommend taking something for pain. I took a Vicodin and ibuprofen. I had the Vicodin laying around from my last mc. It helped tremendously. I took all of that because I did my hysteroscopy without anything and I seriously thought I was going to die it hurt so bad. I've heard some women say a few aspirin are all they needed, but I didn't want to take any chances.

Yowza! Well, I'm not against Vicodin lol. It got me through a tooth infection once and I will always be thankful!

What's the difference between an hsg, a hysteroscopy and a lap (like Sugar is getting)? I'm so new to all of this. I just want the simplest thing that will tell me if something is wrong.

 

[LucyJ]

Thanks hearty I'm prepared not to see a hb but it would be nice but figure its unlikely I'm guessing there is a chance I could be put back date wise. What should I expect to see? God the nerves are kicking in trying to stay calm and not worry but it's so hard.

Sugar that is awful. you've been referred so should get the procedure I so hope your dr sorts it out for you

 

[sugarlove]

Thanks Hearty. I really feel I've got a strong case to put in a complaint if they won't co-operate. I rang my GP today, and she said she's totally on my side and will put together a letter with me next week to illustrate why I should be entitled to this on the NHS. It's just another bloody delay which I'm so sick of.

Will your insurance not pay for your investigations Hearty?

Forgot to say, yes I'm in the 2ww with you. The soy bought my ov right forward, but I think it's making the ov cramps much worse. I think you said that might happen didn't you?

 

[sugarlove]

Allie, I think with the lap they poke a laparascope through your tum and it helps diagnose endo as they can see the scar tissue etc. They can also treat it there and then if not too severe.

They also often combine a lap with a dye when they inject the dye through the tubes to see if they are blocked. this is pretty much what an HSG is believe. Correct me if I'm wrong girls!

The hysteroscopy is where they go through the cervix with a scope thing and look around there to see if there are any fibroids or polpys there.

Sorry about my limited knowledge!
x

 

[LucyJ]

Yeah a lap is under GA they put a camra through you tummy to have a good look around I've had two done both times they were looking for endo or other possible causes of my horrific periods they never found a reason. Sugar I am still in shock that they are trying to deny you it if they suspect endo then whether or not your trying to conceive shouldn't be a factor it's so stupid I'm glad your dr is supporting you hope it get sorted quickly.

 

[sugarlove]

thanks Lucy. I'd be delighted if they did the lap and couldn't find anything, but I've got all the classic signs of it like horrendous pains during AF and ov, back pain, spotting and pain during BDing sometimes.

 

[heart tree]

Yes, you are pretty much right Sugar! The HSG is the dye test. In my case, I didn't do a lap, so it was similar to a hysteroscopy. They inserted a catheter through my cervix, into my uterus and then put dye through the catheter. They x-ray your uterus and tubes to see if the tubes are blocked or if your uterus has an abnormal shape.

A hysteroscopy is when they insert a catheter through the cervix into the uterus and fill the uterus with saline. Then they insert a tiny camera and look around to see if there are fibroids or polyps. They can then try to remove them on the spot. I had a tiny polyp that she tried to remove. No pain killers for any of this! OUCH!

The lap is minor surgery where they cut into your belly button to look at the outside of the uterus for endometriosis.

The insertion of the catheter and the saline/dye both are uncomfortable. Way more tolerable with Vicodin though!

Sugar, my insurance paid for investigation up to a point. They tried to charge me for the HSG but I complained and told them it was not for fertility purposes, it was for pain I was having (which actually was true). I also would have been charged for the MRI if they thought it was for fertility. My doctor made a point of saying on my records that it wasn't for fertility purposes. Actually all of it is related to fertility, but if we had said that, it wouldn't have been covered. At this point, nothing else is covered. My meds aren't covered, if I do IUI, it won't be covered. Any more conversations I have with an FS won't be covered. It sucks.

Oh and to answer your question about the doctor in Florida, they haven't received my records yet to review. They want to schedule an appointment but I can't fly 3000 miles for an appointment. I just emailed them and told them I wanted a phone appointment after he reviews my records. If he thinks surgery is an option, I will fly to Florida.

 

[heart tree]

Sugar, it sounds like it could be endo to me. If not, it could also be what I have. I don't want to scare you, but they have similar symptoms. The only way they can really diagnose it is with an MRI. Get your lap first. If they don't see endo, you might want to ask them about adenomyosis.

Lucy, when you say horrific periods, what do you mean? Heavy and painful?

 

[heart tree]

Oh and Luce, I'm not sure what you should see at 5 weeks 6 days on a scan. I can google though!

 

[sugarlove]

Hearty that really is shit! I've personally found ttc to be hard enough on its own, but when you have to fight to get what should be available to you free, it really takes the piss and creates so much more stress!

That sounds like a very sensible decision re the Doctor. I hope he can have a telephone consultation with you soon and can help you hun.