Do you think UKIP will win the election?

[bumpy_j]

As for the climate change stuff, there is so much controvery over whether climate change even exists or if it does what is causing it. Closing of coal power stations means nuclear and we all know how dangeous that can be look at Japan and Chernobyl.

No one party is giving a clear sign for my vote but i will vote as to not means those that fought for women to vote wasted their time.

Scientists are now 99% sure global warming isn't natural, it's not as controversial as it was: https://www.ibtimes.com/there-99-ch...-researcher-using-historical-data-not-1570996

https://www.mtu.edu/news/stories/20...ree-humans-causing-global-climate-change.html

 

[child7777]

As for the climate change stuff, there is so much controvery over whether climate change even exists or if it does what is causing it. Closing of coal power stations means nuclear and we all know how dangeous that can be look at Japan and Chernobyl.

No one party is giving a clear sign for my vote but i will vote as to not means those that fought for women to vote wasted their time.

Scientists are now 99% sure global warming isn't natural, it's not as controversial as it was: https://www.ibtimes.com/there-99-ch...-researcher-using-historical-data-not-1570996

https://www.mtu.edu/news/stories/20...ree-humans-causing-global-climate-change.html

New evidence is coming out that the most dramatic effects that have constantly link to global warming, e.g. sea level rises can actually be attributed to other causes, such coastal mega-cities sinking into the ground due to ground water extraction, here are the articles explaining the concept:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27202192
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ausing-megacities-SINK-beneath-sea-level.html
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...iate-problem-than-rising-sea-levels-study.htm

Meanwhile the Arctic ice sheet is growing:

https://guardianlv.com/2013/09/arctic-ice-cap-growing-at-tremendous-rate/

Meanwhile the policies related to climate change are sending our manufacturing jobs overseas:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-26988853

Whilst we are losing our manufacturing industry China's economy is exploding and is generating a lot more pollution than if the manufacturing jobs had been kept in the UK! So the policies simply are not working and are not addressing the most pressing issues relating to the sinking mega cities! Here are articles showing the record increase in coal use in China:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/nov/20/coal-plants-world-resources-institute
https://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/01/07/china-coal-idUKL3N0K90H720140107

Of course if you really wanted to cut carbon emissions and not expose the UK to Fukushima style disaster either, then you would invest in Thorium nuclear technology, which is much safer than conventional nuclear power and is already being started to be used in China:
https://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finan...-thorium-nuclear-power-and-good-luck-to-them/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/19/china-uranium-nuclear-plants-smog-thorium

 

[bumpy_j]

I don't believe that nuclear power is safe enough to utalise on a grand scale in it's current state. I would rather we focused on funding research into nuclear fusion, which is allegedly starting to look more promising: https://www.theguardian.com/big-energy-debate/nuclear-fusion-energy-research#start-of-comments

I will reply to the other points later on as I'm popping out for a bit

 

[tinkerbelle93]

I really want to vote but struggling to be totally convinced by any of them, it's really difficult choosing, but I feel it's a bit of a waste to not vote. so undecided!

 

[child7777]

Withdrawal from "trade" agreements that cede sovereignty to multi national governmental entities and corporations, such as the European Union and agreements that allow corporations to sue sovereign states over legislation they pass with the consent of the people. I'm for free trade, but not for Monsanto being able to sue the UK government if they pass GMO labelling laws...

Green Party are also fighting TTIP: https://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014...the-power-of-our-democratic-decision-making”/

I have taken a look at the website called vote for policies and the clear winner is the green party, by people who bothered to read through policies.

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

So yes if everyone bothered to read through party policies the Green party would win the elections. But what about our voting system, we have a first past the post system of voting, this means that you have to faith that your party is likely to win before casting your vote, but if you are worried about voting for a bad party then you will vote for a party based on what poses the best chance of beating the party you don't like rather than have an opportunity to vote according to preference.

So whose fault is it that we have such a negative political system that concentrates on the bad of the other party rather than the candidates having to focus on what they have to offer? Well the question is did you vote for the alternative vote when there was a referendum on the issue? If you didn't vote for the alternative vote then you have to look in the mirror for the reason why UK Politics is in the state it is in today! In the interests of disclosure I didn't vote before, because I didn't believe votes could change anything, but I sure as hell wish I had voted for the alternative vote now! Here is the you tube video that explains it is shown at the bottom of the post:

So now we have given the political establishment the initiative, what can we do. Well our best chance now is to push for the right to call a referendum on any issue should a reasonable petition threshold be exceeded, and repatriate powers from the EU so they cannot overrule the will of the people.

Once we have got the right to a referendum we should use it to force the government to respect our rights to a fair political process:
The right to petition to recall for any reason our local representative or police commissioner.
The right to protest outside parliament.
To introduce direct democracy on a 2 yearly basis for the people to have their say on government budgets.
To introduce a land value tax to replace the current council tax system, and to use it to replace income tax, and punish big banks and property magnates that speculate on unused land (and unused property at a rate dependant on the unimproved value of the land), particularly where there is good access to the existing utility infrastructure, but farmlands away from utility infrastructure would experience land rents that are reasonable to the productive ability of unimproved land. Unfortunately none of the major parties offers such radical tax reform and the only way to get it is to have the power to petition for a referendum, thus bypassing the interests of the property speculators that are heavily invested in keeping the status quo.

I will be for UKIP as they are IMO the best party that has a reasonable chance of success, but if people had voted for the alternative vote, then it may have been a slightly different story!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

 

[child7777]

I don't believe that nuclear power is safe enough to utalise on a grand scale in it's current state. I would rather we focused on funding research into nuclear fusion, which is allegedly starting to look more promising: https://www.theguardian.com/big-energy-debate/nuclear-fusion-energy-research#start-of-comments

I will reply to the other points later on as I'm popping out for a bit

Thorium is a much more developed technology and as a stop gap it is better than any of the alternatives, but sure when fusion power turns up to the energy party, than should definitely be looking at that as the first option!

 

[lhancock90]

I refuse to vote for a party who sent police around when there policys were criticised. Free speech? Not with UKIP! And again last night profiles on Facebook with large amounts of followers were threatened with legal action by UKIP for using an image created by a blogger tearing into UKIP policys.

Why would i vote for a party who want to cut two million jobs on the mere hope that cutting spending to 1997 level might replace them.

Aslyumn seekers to be "held in secure units" Sorry is this Nazi Germany? Stalins Russia?

Scrapping the human rights act. The one which protects us from turning into a country with unimagineable power to hurt, torture, deport citizens. You might want your extreme terror suspects sent away but i'd quite like them here, where we know what they are doing.

Arm four submarines with nuclear power and put a 40% spending increase into defense. Why does UKIP think we need so much defense? What exactly are they planning?

Smoking rooms in pubs. Of course. Lets franchise out the NHS and then create bigger health problems by creating environments for people to destroy their lungs in? You know, like the NHS hasn't spent billions on trying to cut smoking down.

"Basic cash benefit" instead of JSA which won't be means tested. So you won't receive the basic you need to live on you'll receive what they decide and we can watch those below the breadline fall to basic poverty.

 

[pinkpolkadot]

New evidence is coming out that the most dramatic effects that have constantly link to global warming, e.g. sea level rises can actually be attributed to other causes, such coastal mega-cities sinking into the ground due to ground water extraction, here are the articles explaining the concept:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27202192
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ausing-megacities-SINK-beneath-sea-level.html
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...iate-problem-than-rising-sea-levels-study.htm

This is a separate problem, the articles acknowledge the issue of the land sinking is in addition to the sea level rising, it doesn't mean we can simply ignore the rising sea level.

Meanwhile the Arctic ice sheet is growing:

https://guardianlv.com/2013/09/arctic-ice-cap-growing-at-tremendous-rate/

This is debatable and possibly meaningless in relation to the point... https://www.alaskadispatch.com/arti...spapers-having-row-over-climate-change-arctic

Meanwhile the policies related to climate change are sending our manufacturing jobs overseas:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-26988853.

Does this mean we should abandon any attempts to right things? Should we also throw out other policies like minimum wage, standards of working conditions etc... because it makes it more expensive to manufacture in the UK?

 

[emyandpotato]

I refuse to vote for a party who sent police around when there policys were criticised. Free speech? Not with UKIP! And again last night profiles on Facebook with large amounts of followers were threatened with legal action by UKIP for using an image created by a blogger tearing into UKIP policys.

Why would i vote for a party who want to cut two million jobs on the mere hope that cutting spending to 1997 level might replace them.

Aslyumn seekers to be "held in secure units" Sorry is this Nazi Germany? Stalins Russia?

Scrapping the human rights act. The one which protects us from turning into a country with unimagineable power to hurt, torture, deport citizens. You might want your extreme terror suspects sent away but i'd quite like them here, where we know what they are doing.

Arm four submarines with nuclear power and put a 40% spending increase into defense. Why does UKIP think we need so much defense? What exactly are they planning?

Smoking rooms in pubs. Of course. Lets franchise out the NHS and then create bigger health problems by creating environments for people to destroy their lungs in? You know, like the NHS hasn't spent billions on trying to cut smoking down.

"Basic cash benefit" instead of JSA which won't be means tested. So you won't receive the basic you need to live on you'll receive what they decide and we can watch those below the breadline fall to basic poverty.

This

Hitler got in to power with quite similar policies (though his economic policies were probably better, actually ). The thought of them winning is sickening and I don't get why people can't see the huge dangers of it. The very idea of scrapping the human rights act should make everyone avoid them at all costs, they're insane!

 

[hayz_baby]

QuOTE=emyandpotato;32633231]

I refuse to vote for a party who sent police around when there policys were criticised. Free speech? Not with UKIP! And again last night profiles on Facebook with large amounts of followers were threatened with legal action by UKIP for using an image created by a blogger tearing into UKIP policys.

Why would i vote for a party who want to cut two million jobs on the mere hope that cutting spending to 1997 level might replace them.

Aslyumn seekers to be "held in secure units" Sorry is this Nazi Germany? Stalins Russia?

Scrapping the human rights act. The one which protects us from turning into a country with unimagineable power to hurt, torture, deport citizens. You might want your extreme terror suspects sent away but i'd quite like them here, where we know what they are doing.

Arm four submarines with nuclear power and put a 40% spending increase into defense. Why does UKIP think we need so much defense? What exactly are they planning?

Smoking rooms in pubs. Of course. Lets franchise out the NHS and then create bigger health problems by creating environments for people to destroy their lungs in? You know, like the NHS hasn't spent billions on trying to cut smoking down.

"Basic cash benefit" instead of JSA which won't be means tested. So you won't receive the basic you need to live on you'll receive what they decide and we can watch those below the breadline fall to basic poverty.

This

Hitler got in to power with quite similar policies (though his economic policies were probably better, actually ). The thought of them winning is sickening and I don't get why people can't see the huge dangers of it. The very idea of scrapping the human rights act should make everyone avoid them at all costs, they're insane![/QUOTE]

Plus the idea of voting for a party thats members has said such things like "we can blame flooding on Gay marriage"

Let's remember ukip are against gay marriage too...

 

[child7777]

I refuse to vote for a party who sent police around when there policys were criticised. Free speech? Not with UKIP! And again last night profiles on Facebook with large amounts of followers were threatened with legal action by UKIP for using an image created by a blogger tearing into UKIP policys.

Why would i vote for a party who want to cut two million jobs on the mere hope that cutting spending to 1997 level might replace them.

Aslyumn seekers to be "held in secure units" Sorry is this Nazi Germany? Stalins Russia?

Scrapping the human rights act. The one which protects us from turning into a country with unimagineable power to hurt, torture, deport citizens. You might want your extreme terror suspects sent away but i'd quite like them here, where we know what they are doing.

Arm four submarines with nuclear power and put a 40% spending increase into defense. Why does UKIP think we need so much defense? What exactly are they planning?

Smoking rooms in pubs. Of course. Lets franchise out the NHS and then create bigger health problems by creating environments for people to destroy their lungs in? You know, like the NHS hasn't spent billions on trying to cut smoking down.

"Basic cash benefit" instead of JSA which won't be means tested. So you won't receive the basic you need to live on you'll receive what they decide and we can watch those below the breadline fall to basic poverty.

Don't like some of their policies, well one of their policies is to:

• Give the public power to require binding local and national referenda on major issues. So you can have referendum on those items you disagree with and get them overturned!

Whereas with the mainstream parties have no such right enshrined and are entirely consistent in lying to you to get elected and then following the doctrines of multinational organisations such as the Bilderberg meeting! So a vote for the mainstream parties is actually a vote for the policies of Bilderberg, which is of course kept secret from you the public!
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-t...group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808
https://translate.google.com/transl...e/bilderberg/2010/media-schade-beperken.shtml
https://www.amazon.com/The-True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/B004Z9ALRO

Or how about the free speech of the mainstream parties:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120
Of course it is highly reprehensible what happened in this case, and is to be rightly condemned.
But Cameron and the mainstream press is strangely silent about the treatment of anti Kiev protesters in the South and East of Ukraine, whilst denying them help in arranging their election at the same time as condemning it as "illegal". Where is the free speech of the citizens of East Ukraine? Please watch the video at the bottom of the post!

Nuclear powered submarines are the BEST investment that could be made that deters foreign aggressors and should be welcomed and I am confident he will be less interventionist than the current parties, but again if he proposed an "Iraq war" then the public could petition for a referendum to block the unnecessary military action!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q

 

[bumpy_j]

Withdrawal from "trade" agreements that cede sovereignty to multi national governmental entities and corporations, such as the European Union and agreements that allow corporations to sue sovereign states over legislation they pass with the consent of the people. I'm for free trade, but not for Monsanto being able to sue the UK government if they pass GMO labelling laws...

Green Party are also fighting TTIP: https://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014...the-power-of-our-democratic-decision-making”/

I have taken a look at the website called vote for policies and the clear winner is the green party, by people who bothered to read through policies.

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/

So yes if everyone bothered to read through party policies the Green party would win the elections. But what about our voting system, we have a first past the post system of voting, this means that you have to faith that your party is likely to win before casting your vote, but if you are worried about voting for a bad party then you will vote for a party based on what poses the best chance of beating the party you don't like rather than have an opportunity to vote according to preference.

So whose fault is it that we have such a negative political system that concentrates on the bad of the other party rather than the candidates having to focus on what they have to offer? Well the question is did you vote for the alternative vote when there was a referendum on the issue? If you didn't vote for the alternative vote then you have to look in the mirror for the reason why UK Politics is in the state it is in today! In the interests of disclosure I didn't vote before, because I didn't believe votes could change anything, but I sure as hell wish I had voted for the alternative vote now! Here is the you tube video that explains it is shown at the bottom of the post:

So now we have given the political establishment the initiative, what can we do. Well our best chance now is to push for the right to call a referendum on any issue should a reasonable petition threshold be exceeded, and repatriate powers from the EU so they cannot overrule the will of the people.

Once we have got the right to a referendum we should use it to force the government to respect our rights to a fair political process:
The right to petition to recall for any reason our local representative or police commissioner.
The right to protest outside parliament.
To introduce direct democracy on a 2 yearly basis for the people to have their say on government budgets.
To introduce a land value tax to replace the current council tax system, and to use it to replace income tax, and punish big banks and property magnates that speculate on unused land (and unused property at a rate dependant on the unimproved value of the land), particularly where there is good access to the existing utility infrastructure, but farmlands away from utility infrastructure would experience land rents that are reasonable to the productive ability of unimproved land. Unfortunately none of the major parties offers such radical tax reform and the only way to get it is to have the power to petition for a referendum, thus bypassing the interests of the property speculators that are heavily invested in keeping the status quo.

I will be for UKIP as they are IMO the best party that has a reasonable chance of success, but if people had voted for the alternative vote, then it may have been a slightly different story!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

You know, I'm going to have to admit that I didn't even know (or have forgotten) that there was a referendum on the voting system, and I was very pro alternative vote after the Lib/Con coalition. No idea why I didn't get any information about it, although I was in-between homes at the time and had a newborn so probably to do with being pre-occupied. For what it's worth, I would have certainly voted 'yes' if I was eligible to do so. I wonder why it was so unpopular, possibly in fear of given far-right parties more chance of success? I'm not sure.

Although I can't vote in this election (I have no idea why since I have EU citizenship - granted it's not British, but still), I would still vote Green simply due to hoping that they can gain a couple of seats, and there still will a small amount of Green representation. Some would say it's a protest vote, but personally I struggle with the idea of voting for a party with the intention of not letting another into power. I feel that we'll never get out of the Conservative/Labour mudslinging match when that is the broad mindset of the voting majority.

 

[pinkpolkadot]

I have to join in and say that I can't help but think of the Nazi party making the Jews a scapegoat for their country's problems when I think about the main focus of UKIPs campaign

 

[bumpy_j]

As for the climate change stuff, there is so much controvery over whether climate change even exists or if it does what is causing it. Closing of coal power stations means nuclear and we all know how dangeous that can be look at Japan and Chernobyl.

No one party is giving a clear sign for my vote but i will vote as to not means those that fought for women to vote wasted their time.

Scientists are now 99% sure global warming isn't natural, it's not as controversial as it was: https://www.ibtimes.com/there-99-ch...-researcher-using-historical-data-not-1570996

https://www.mtu.edu/news/stories/20...ree-humans-causing-global-climate-change.html

New evidence is coming out that the most dramatic effects that have constantly link to global warming, e.g. sea level rises can actually be attributed to other causes, such coastal mega-cities sinking into the ground due to ground water extraction, here are the articles explaining the concept:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27202192
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...ausing-megacities-SINK-beneath-sea-level.html
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...iate-problem-than-rising-sea-levels-study.htm

Meanwhile the Arctic ice sheet is growing:

https://guardianlv.com/2013/09/arctic-ice-cap-growing-at-tremendous-rate/

Meanwhile the policies related to climate change are sending our manufacturing jobs overseas:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-26988853

Whilst we are losing our manufacturing industry China's economy is exploding and is generating a lot more pollution than if the manufacturing jobs had been kept in the UK! So the policies simply are not working and are not addressing the most pressing issues relating to the sinking mega cities! Here are articles showing the record increase in coal use in China:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/nov/20/coal-plants-world-resources-institute
https://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/01/07/china-coal-idUKL3N0K90H720140107

Of course if you really wanted to cut carbon emissions and not expose the UK to Fukushima style disaster either, then you would invest in Thorium nuclear technology, which is much safer than conventional nuclear power and is already being started to be used in China:
https://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finan...-thorium-nuclear-power-and-good-luck-to-them/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/19/china-uranium-nuclear-plants-smog-thorium

With Thorium, is the waste disposal really that much less than conventional? It's the waste that alarms me moreso than the danger of disaster.

And in regards to the ice sheet, this troubling piece of new emerged yesterday: https://news.uci.edu/press-releases...oss-appears-unstoppable-uci-nasa-study-finds/

 

[bumpy_j]

Also I find the 'life meaning life' sentencing policy incredible unwise. Prison violence will shoot through the roof if every offender serving life knows that they'll never be released; there would be zero incentive for good behaviour.

 

[lhancock90]

QuOTE=emyandpotato;32633231]

I refuse to vote for a party who sent police around when there policys were criticised. Free speech? Not with UKIP! And again last night profiles on Facebook with large amounts of followers were threatened with legal action by UKIP for using an image created by a blogger tearing into UKIP policys.

Why would i vote for a party who want to cut two million jobs on the mere hope that cutting spending to 1997 level might replace them.

Aslyumn seekers to be "held in secure units" Sorry is this Nazi Germany? Stalins Russia?

Scrapping the human rights act. The one which protects us from turning into a country with unimagineable power to hurt, torture, deport citizens. You might want your extreme terror suspects sent away but i'd quite like them here, where we know what they are doing.

Arm four submarines with nuclear power and put a 40% spending increase into defense. Why does UKIP think we need so much defense? What exactly are they planning?

Smoking rooms in pubs. Of course. Lets franchise out the NHS and then create bigger health problems by creating environments for people to destroy their lungs in? You know, like the NHS hasn't spent billions on trying to cut smoking down.

"Basic cash benefit" instead of JSA which won't be means tested. So you won't receive the basic you need to live on you'll receive what they decide and we can watch those below the breadline fall to basic poverty.

This

Hitler got in to power with quite similar policies (though his economic policies were probably better, actually ). The thought of them winning is sickening and I don't get why people can't see the huge dangers of it. The very idea of scrapping the human rights act should make everyone avoid them at all costs, they're insane!

Plus the idea of voting for a party thats members has said such things like "we can blame flooding on Gay marriage"

Let's remember ukip are against gay marriage too...[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Don't forget how anti women they are aswell.

People thought Hitler and his party were the answer to what they felt were problems caused by lax governments, they were angry that they'd been made to accept war guilt and wanted to see their economy rise and Hitler swept it and at the first opportunity removed every single civil right they had. They might not be there yet but UKIP are absolutely on the same road.

 

[hayz_baby]

I haven't read (please correct me if I'm mistaken) something to put in place for our human rights if we do leave the EU. Some from what I understand they want us to leave the EU and the human rights bill that comes with it but not put anything in place to still protect us. Like America have the bill of rights.

I know its not perfect, I know there is some truth in the drained resources as net immigration is high but I don't believe leaving the EU is the answer.. I would like to see an answer from the main parties

 

[lhancock90]

I also think its important to say that, as far as the political system goes with debates and what not, UKIP are barely turning up.

 

[randomrach]

Is this correct?

https://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

UKIP only have 14%. Their views on women are awful, they'll probably scrap equal rights aswell.

 

[emyandpotato]

Is this correct?

https://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

UKIP only have 14%. Their views on women are awful, they'll probably scrap equal rights aswell.

I hope so! I can't find the source that said they were like 30%+ but 15% is much better.