Do you think UKIP will win the election?

[emyandpotato]

This says a much higher figure as do other articles but the sources are all suggesting different things so I guess it's just a case of wait and see. https://news.sky.com/story/1259558/ukip-set-for-comfortable-win-in-euro-elections

 

[Noodlebear]

They could have some of the best policies going but a party that is full of homophobic, sexist pigs will not be getting my vote. Demetri Marchessini said that husbands could not rape their wives. What a load of crap - rape is rape. Roger Helner made a disgusting homophobic remark and defended it by saying people just have different tastes, like they do with tea. Next he'll be saying it's ok for us all to be racist because we all eat different sorts of bread! Not forgetting that he also likened being homosexual to having a mental illness a few years back. This man still has his job becaaauuuuuseeee?

It's like they've crawled out from under a rock and the last time they saw the way the world worked was about 100 years ago.

Financially we'll all lose. If you claim benefits they'll be cut, if you work you'll pay more tax. Paid maternity leave - what paid maternity leave? You can say goodbye to that we're those measly women they don't seem to think much off, remember? I wouldn't be surprised if we weren't allowed to vote at the next election.

Voting for UKIP on the basis that other parties have broken promises is quite frankly stupid. Politicians can't please everyone so I have no doubt in my mind that at some point every single party will say or do something that I don't like. But to consider voting for a party that thinks so little of our human rights is insane. Their stance on benefits was so unpopular they removed it from their website, you think that means those things wouldn't still be implemented if they get into power? They're totally deceitful and anyone thinking of voting for them in protest needs to seriously wake up and look at what they're voting for. It's that sort of ignorance that will run us into the ground. I'll probably get arrested or some shit for posting this.

https://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q718/Tish1992/Bl1kLsYCUAAbW9A_zps295ebf1e.jpg

 

[child7777]

I think the record of broken promises by the main three parties is legendary, in particularly how the liberal democrats have sold out on their every promise to get into power with the conservatives, here's some interesting articles for anyone thinking of voting for the liberal democrats to consider:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/harriet-harman/10-broken-lib-dem-promise_b_3925441.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/nov/12/lib-dems-tuition-fees-clegg

So all in all the Liberal Democrats simply aren't a credible party to vote for. So how about the Conservatives and Labour party?

Well the Conservatives have a prior for breaking a Europe related promise, when he broke his promise for a vote on the Lisbon treaty:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/03/david-cameron-lisbon-treaty-betrayal
Also Cameron has taken decisive action to bury his previous promises down the memory hole:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...oken-promises-from-party-website-8937435.html

Also during his time in office, whilst preaching to the world about how the UK supports human rights and how governments who aren't in support of human rights need to suffer regime change, the arms trade coninues to do a brisk business in selling arms to countries that have no respect of human rights. Cameron has done nothing to impose export restrictions on lucrative arms trade to regimes that has no respect for the rights of their citizens, here are the links that discuss the arms trade under Cameron's watch:
https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-...eign-office-prefers-saudi-arms-deals-to-human
https://news.sky.com/story/1116687/britains-chemical-sales-to-syria-revealed
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/22/david-cameron-quizzed-arms-sales-sri-lanka
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/05/david-cameron-gulf-arms-trade_n_2075598.html
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/david-cronin/britain-admits-selling-12-billion-weapons-israel
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...fire-for-selling-arms-to-bahrain-2218423.html

Meanwhile food bank use is rising at its fastest rate under Cameron (So all those dodgy arms deals are not a net benefit to the common man in the UK):
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-britain-handed-out-3417601
https://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/food-banks-is-cameron-on-the-money/12486

So Cameron has a really dismal record of selling arms to regimes with appalling human rights abuses and also treating the UK people with contempt, so no I cannot vote for the Conservative party. The just leaves labour what is labour's record?

Well how about the Iraq war? Was this demonstrably in the best interests of the UK? If a straightforward case can be put forward that demonstrates the absolute necessity of Britain's involvement in Iraq and the scientific analysis the overall it saved British lives would Tony Blair not have proudly published the evidence, the deafening silence in producing such evidence shows that the Iraq war was a monumental failure, here are some news stories about this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-not-be-very-kind-to-tony-blair-9339473.html
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...raq-war-inquiry-report-promised-not-delivered
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-ten-years-despite-wars-Afghanistan-Iraq.html
https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...hanistan-casualties-dead-wounded-british-data
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24547256
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/19/iraq

With such a disastrous history of killing our soldiers and killing civilians in Iraq, I would find it unconscionable to vote for them, even without exploring their economic history and the lax regulations that led to the bank bailouts and failure to prosecute the bankers that nearly collapsed our economy...

So having explored the main parties and found it impossible to vote for any of them, what is the best way to send the political establishment an unforgettable message that business as usual cannot carry on? It is to vote for a fourth party and to do so in a united fashion. The policies which are most important when voting are:
Withdrawal from "trade" agreements that cede sovereignty to multi national governmental entities and corporations, such as the European Union and agreements that allow corporations to sue sovereign states over legislation they pass with the consent of the people. I'm for free trade, but not for Monsanto being able to sue the UK government if they pass GMO labelling laws...
UKIP's pledge for a referendum on EU membership is a start in the right direction, as we want our politicians to take orders from we the people not from international organisations.
UKIP also pledge to give the people the power to call a referendum if sufficient petition votes are reached.

These two key policies are what is needed to bring back the legitimate power back to the people. I think the first referendum I personally would sponsor is to introduce the power to recall our mps anytime we like, so then they can no longer promise one thing and do another, now if anyone can suggest another credible party or group of independent MPs that will push through those two critical policies then I am all ears, but until then I will be voting UKIP!

I was reading through the green party manifesto and am convinced that they simply don't have a credible plan for the country and can best be described as "eco fascists", this is because they want to shut down conventional fossil fuel sources of energy and have closed off nuclear power or newer forms of energy. This will have the effect of crashing the economy and sending the remaining manufacturing jobs overseas, then we will have the IMF coming in with a "rescue" package that will impose harsh austerity like Argentina, Greece, Cyprus and the many other countries they have destroyed, whilst not going after the real criminals that caused the problems in the first place. Greens are VERY good intentions, but by destroying the economy they would make us prey for the offshore financial vultures...

https://www.amazon.com/BEHIND-THE-GREEN-MASK-Agenda/dp/0615494544

So if you want this country to have any sort of future you can vote UKIP or form a party that truly represents the interests of the normal people on the street:

Direct Democracy to set government money with spending limits set IN stone. Any exceptional circumstances such as a national emergencies that require extra funding, must be ratified by the people within 3 months or all the policy makers involved in declaring an inappropriate "national emergency will be thrown out of office and disbarred from political office.

A Land Value Tax to replace other forms of taxations, taking special care to ensure big banks and property cartels are not exempt, so people are discouraged from speculation and encouraged to do contribute to the economy.

Control over our borders and control by the people of government policy ensuring it is not abrogated to multi national organisation of all flavours. If people abroad have a good example of libertarian policy, then people can petition and vote for it in direct democracy!

Someone can show a better match than UKIP that isn't completely discredited than I'm all ears!

 

[lhancock90]

I think the record of broken promises by the main three parties is legendary, in particularly how the liberal democrats have sold out on their every promise to get into power with the conservatives, here's some interesting articles for anyone thinking of voting for the liberal democrats to consider:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/harriet-harman/10-broken-lib-dem-promise_b_3925441.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/nov/12/lib-dems-tuition-fees-clegg

So all in all the Liberal Democrats simply aren't a credible party to vote for. So how about the Conservatives and Labour party?

Well the Conservatives have a prior for breaking a Europe related promise, when he broke his promise for a vote on the Lisbon treaty:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/nov/03/david-cameron-lisbon-treaty-betrayal
Also Cameron has taken decisive action to bury his previous promises down the memory hole:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...oken-promises-from-party-website-8937435.html

Also during his time in office, whilst preaching to the world about how the UK supports human rights and how governments who aren't in support of human rights need to suffer regime change, the arms trade coninues to do a brisk business in selling arms to countries that have no respect of human rights. Cameron has done nothing to impose export restrictions on lucrative arms trade to regimes that has no respect for the rights of their citizens, here are the links that discuss the arms trade under Cameron's watch:
https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-...eign-office-prefers-saudi-arms-deals-to-human
https://news.sky.com/story/1116687/britains-chemical-sales-to-syria-revealed
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/22/david-cameron-quizzed-arms-sales-sri-lanka
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/05/david-cameron-gulf-arms-trade_n_2075598.html
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/david-cronin/britain-admits-selling-12-billion-weapons-israel
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...fire-for-selling-arms-to-bahrain-2218423.html

Meanwhile food bank use is rising at its fastest rate under Cameron (So all those dodgy arms deals are not a net benefit to the common man in the UK):
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-britain-handed-out-3417601
https://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/food-banks-is-cameron-on-the-money/12486

So Cameron has a really dismal record of selling arms to regimes with appalling human rights abuses and also treating the UK people with contempt, so no I cannot vote for the Conservative party. The just leaves labour what is labour's record?

Well how about the Iraq war? Was this demonstrably in the best interests of the UK? If a straightforward case can be put forward that demonstrates the absolute necessity of Britain's involvement in Iraq and the scientific analysis the overall it saved British lives would Tony Blair not have proudly published the evidence, the deafening silence in producing such evidence shows that the Iraq war was a monumental failure, here are some news stories about this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-not-be-very-kind-to-tony-blair-9339473.html
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...raq-war-inquiry-report-promised-not-delivered
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-ten-years-despite-wars-Afghanistan-Iraq.html
https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...hanistan-casualties-dead-wounded-british-data
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24547256
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/sep/16/iraq.iraqtimeline
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/19/iraq

With such a disastrous history of killing our soldiers and killing civilians in Iraq, I would find it unconscionable to vote for them, even without exploring their economic history and the lax regulations that led to the bank bailouts and failure to prosecute the bankers that nearly collapsed our economy...

So having explored the main parties and found it impossible to vote for any of them, what is the best way to send the political establishment an unforgettable message that business as usual cannot carry on? It is to vote for a fourth party and to do so in a united fashion. The policies which are most important when voting are:
Withdrawal from "trade" agreements that cede sovereignty to multi national governmental entities and corporations, such as the European Union and agreements that allow corporations to sue sovereign states over legislation they pass with the consent of the people. I'm for free trade, but not for Monsanto being able to sue the UK government if they pass GMO labelling laws...
UKIP's pledge for a referendum on EU membership is a start in the right direction, as we want our politicians to take orders from we the people not from international organisations.
UKIP also pledge to give the people the power to call a referendum if sufficient petition votes are reached.

These two key policies are what is needed to bring back the legitimate power back to the people. I think the first referendum I personally would sponsor is to introduce the power to recall our mps anytime we like, so then they can no longer promise one thing and do another, now if anyone can suggest another credible party or group of independent MPs that will push through those two critical policies then I am all ears, but until then I will be voting UKIP!

I was reading through the green party manifesto and am convinced that they simply don't have a credible plan for the country and can best be described as "eco fascists", this is because they want to shut down conventional fossil fuel sources of energy and have closed off nuclear power or newer forms of energy. This will have the effect of crashing the economy and sending the remaining manufacturing jobs overseas, then we will have the IMF coming in with a "rescue" package that will impose harsh austerity like Argentina, Greece, Cyprus and the many other countries they have destroyed, whilst not going after the real criminals that caused the problems in the first place. Greens are VERY good intentions, but by destroying the economy they would make us prey for the offshore financial vultures...

https://www.amazon.com/BEHIND-THE-GREEN-MASK-Agenda/dp/0615494544

So if you want this country to have any sort of future you can vote UKIP or form a party that truly represents the interests of the normal people on the street:

Direct Democracy to set government money with spending limits set IN stone. Any exceptional circumstances such as a national emergencies that require extra funding, must be ratified by the people within 3 months or all the policy makers involved in declaring an inappropriate "national emergency will be thrown out of office and disbarred from political office.

A Land Value Tax to replace other forms of taxations, taking special care to ensure big banks and property cartels are not exempt, so people are discouraged from speculation and encouraged to do contribute to the economy.

Control over our borders and control by the people of government policy ensuring it is not abrogated to multi national organisation of all flavours. If people abroad have a good example of libertarian policy, then people can petition and vote for it in direct democracy!

Someone can show a better match than UKIP that isn't completely discredited than I'm all ears!

I think UKIP and their policys and politicians will completely destroy any hope of a future we have.

 

[Noodlebear]

I didn't say that they didn't have some good ideas in there somewhere but they also have some HORRENDOUS ones that I don't support in any way and think would be hugely damaging to this country. You seem to be spending more time picking fault with the other parties than looking at how flawed UKIP actually are. I don't think that's a wise thing to do. You won't find many women on here in support of losing some of the rights that previous generations fought so hard for us to have.

 

[Button#]

The problem is that we are too small a country to support manufacture. Other countries such as China have more room for factories whereas we don't. We simply cannot afford to manufacture here.

We are also moving closer to a global economy and it is madness to shut the UK off from that to try and fend for itself.

If we start banning immigrants we also lose the skills they bring.

 

[child7777]

I didn't say that they didn't have some good ideas in there somewhere but they also have some HORRENDOUS ones that I don't support in any way and think would be hugely damaging to this country. You seem to be spending more time picking fault with the other parties than looking at how flawed UKIP actually are. I don't think that's a wise thing to do. You won't find many women on here in support of losing some of the rights that previous generations fought so hard for us to have.

If the misdeeds of the mainstream parties were not of such a serious nature I would not be voting in the current election, without being presented with a great alternative whose every policy I could support.

However the main parties threaten the sovereignty of our country by ceding to the EU and multi national corporate tribunals held in close session and the use of European arrest warrant allows for extradition to other EU countries with criminally slow justice systems and asinine laws for which there is no similar law in the UK.

They threaten the national security of our countries making enemies left right and centre with illegal wars and arming deeply unsavoury regimes
and rebellions even when it is shown the rebellions are linked to terrorist organisations. They introduce bugs in our computer hardware and software that are on open door for foreign intelligence agencies to scoop up all our intellectual property without compensation, and threatens to enable our military secrets to be lost! There is serious questions that GCHQ's overreach is threatening our national security but instead of investigating properly the establishment is in damage limitation mode. Iran and China have both displayed military technology based on stolen designs from our own military and this is just the stuff we know about!

The seek to legislate away all our rights too constantly using the excuse of national security and GCHQ spies on all our MPs. A reasonable person may conclude that GCHQ is behind the smear campaign against UKIP and every other political element that is not pro establishment especially since there are documents on the web detailling how they do it!

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Of course that document does not prove that they are singling out UKIP unfairly, but the terrible records of the mainstream parties are not getting anywhere near the coverage they should be come election time, so who knows?

Hopefully there will be good independent MPs to vote for at the general election, even though the system has been stacked against them! If there is a good independent MP at the general election than I WILL vote for them rather than any that belong to a political party, as independent mps are loyal to their constituents rather than the party and THAT is what I really want from a political representative!

 

[hayz_baby]

If their poster "we are not racist" lady has left I think that in it self speaks volumes

 

[Noodlebear]

I saw that earlier, wasn't at all surprised!

 

[lhancock90]

I didn't say that they didn't have some good ideas in there somewhere but they also have some HORRENDOUS ones that I don't support in any way and think would be hugely damaging to this country. You seem to be spending more time picking fault with the other parties than looking at how flawed UKIP actually are. I don't think that's a wise thing to do. You won't find many women on here in support of losing some of the rights that previous generations fought so hard for us to have.

If the misdeeds of the mainstream parties were not of such a serious nature I would not be voting in the current election, without being presented with a great alternative whose every policy I could support.

However the main parties threaten the sovereignty of our country by ceding to the EU and multi national corporate tribunals held in close session and the use of European arrest warrant allows for extradition to other EU countries with criminally slow justice systems and asinine laws for which there is no similar law in the UK.

They threaten the national security of our countries making enemies left right and centre with illegal wars and arming deeply unsavoury regimes
and rebellions even when it is shown the rebellions are linked to terrorist organisations. They introduce bugs in our computer hardware and software that are on open door for foreign intelligence agencies to scoop up all our intellectual property without compensation, and threatens to enable our military secrets to be lost! There is serious questions that GCHQ's overreach is threatening our national security but instead of investigating properly the establishment is in damage limitation mode. Iran and China have both displayed military technology based on stolen designs from our own military and this is just the stuff we know about!

The seek to legislate away all our rights too constantly using the excuse of national security and GCHQ spies on all our MPs. A reasonable person may conclude that GCHQ is behind the smear campaign against UKIP and every other political element that is not pro establishment especially since there are documents on the web detailling how they do it!

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Of course that document does not prove that they are singling out UKIP unfairly, but the terrible records of the mainstream parties are not getting anywhere near the coverage they should be come election time, so who knows?

Hopefully there will be good independent MPs to vote for at the general election, even though the system has been stacked against them! If there is a good independent MP at the general election than I WILL vote for them rather than any that belong to a political party, as independent mps are loyal to their constituents rather than the party and THAT is what I really want from a political representative!

So GCHQ forced UKIP politicians to make racist, homophobic and sexist remarks did they?

 

[child7777]

I didn't say that they didn't have some good ideas in there somewhere but they also have some HORRENDOUS ones that I don't support in any way and think would be hugely damaging to this country. You seem to be spending more time picking fault with the other parties than looking at how flawed UKIP actually are. I don't think that's a wise thing to do. You won't find many women on here in support of losing some of the rights that previous generations fought so hard for us to have.

If the misdeeds of the mainstream parties were not of such a serious nature I would not be voting in the current election, without being presented with a great alternative whose every policy I could support.

However the main parties threaten the sovereignty of our country by ceding to the EU and multi national corporate tribunals held in close session and the use of European arrest warrant allows for extradition to other EU countries with criminally slow justice systems and asinine laws for which there is no similar law in the UK.

They threaten the national security of our countries making enemies left right and centre with illegal wars and arming deeply unsavoury regimes
and rebellions even when it is shown the rebellions are linked to terrorist organisations. They introduce bugs in our computer hardware and software that are on open door for foreign intelligence agencies to scoop up all our intellectual property without compensation, and threatens to enable our military secrets to be lost! There is serious questions that GCHQ's overreach is threatening our national security but instead of investigating properly the establishment is in damage limitation mode. Iran and China have both displayed military technology based on stolen designs from our own military and this is just the stuff we know about!

The seek to legislate away all our rights too constantly using the excuse of national security and GCHQ spies on all our MPs. A reasonable person may conclude that GCHQ is behind the smear campaign against UKIP and every other political element that is not pro establishment especially since there are documents on the web detailling how they do it!

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Of course that document does not prove that they are singling out UKIP unfairly, but the terrible records of the mainstream parties are not getting anywhere near the coverage they should be come election time, so who knows?

Hopefully there will be good independent MPs to vote for at the general election, even though the system has been stacked against them! If there is a good independent MP at the general election than I WILL vote for them rather than any that belong to a political party, as independent mps are loyal to their constituents rather than the party and THAT is what I really want from a political representative!

So GCHQ forced UKIP politicians to make racist, homophobic and sexist remarks did they?

That's not how it works, GCHQ is the on-line division of the disruption internet chatter of organisations that threaten the establishment status quo, such as UKIP. The M@I5, MI6 and/or the undercover police are the ones that act as agent provocateurs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur). They penetrate the organisation they wish to discredit by acting in a way that most people find offensive thereby killing the challenge to the status quo, and the GCHQ works to cover the behinds of the agent provocateurs by spying on and discrediting anyone who dares to to produce evidence of government wrongdoing. Did you follow the reaction to the Snowden revelations, they're attitude is brazen shoot the messenger guilty reaction rather than making practical changes to defend the legitimate interests of the British people and help the British people to secure their intellectual assets, which is what we the public expect them to do. This allows the known certified criminals and liars in Westminster (who never get prosecuted by asserting immunity) to go on unchallenged in their work of helping out their corporate sponsors who have lined up plum jobs after Westminster in exchange for implementing policies that benefit their corporate sponsors rather than the general public.

The UK government has been caught over and over again using agent provacateurs to discredit protest movements. Also the Ukrainian government that UK government heavily backs to crush the voice of the people in the South and East of the country, has been caught using agent provocateurs trying to discredit the pro autonomy activists.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/Undercover-cop-went-far-says-judge/story-12980854-detail/story.html
https://www.channel4.com/news/policing-undercover-policing-how-far-is-too-far
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01n11x6
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...veillance-exposed-inquiry-undercover-policing
https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-...tice-how-undercover-police-officers-encourage

So in answer to your question there is probable cause to believe UKIP has been penetrated by one or more agent provocateurs sent in by the establishment to stir up racially charged comments, the human side is likely Mi5, MI6 or an undercover police organisation rather than GCHQ, which manages the on-line side of the establishment's aim to stay in power. Most UKIP supporters believe only in in slowing down the immigration to skilled migrants and want nothing to do with race baiting, just the agent provocateurs and those gullible enough to be led astray by them.

 

[child7777]

GCHQ outsources agent provocateur work to MI5, MI6 and undercover police. It's not that GCHQ is forcing people to post racist remarks it's that agent provocateurs from MI5 MI6 or undercover police are infiltrating UKIP, espousing repugnant view to cause people to turn back to supporting the criminal establishment come election time! People can know about government corruption, just not at election time when they bury their wrongdoing by using endless sensationalist articles linking the actions of their agent provocateurs who is associated in public consciousness to the establishment's political enemies!

 

[lhancock90]

Wow.
Okay.

Its interesting to me that you refuse to believe that UKIP is capable of making any mistakes...

 

[Quackquack99]

GCHQ outsources agent provocateur work to MI5, MI6 and undercover police. It's not that GCHQ is forcing people to post racist remarks it's that agent provocateurs from MI5 MI6 or undercover police are infiltrating UKIP, espousing repugnant view to cause people to turn back to supporting the criminal establishment come election time! People can know about government corruption, just not at election time when they bury their wrongdoing by using endless sensationalist articles linking the actions of their agent provocateurs who is associated in public consciousness to the establishment's political enemies!

So UKIP cant take responsibility for their own actions and words? I'm sorry I disagree and think its codswallop.

 

[Button#]

Presumably their policies on getting rid of maternity pay and gay marriage aren't from being stirred up though.

 

[Noodlebear]

GCHQ outsources agent provocateur work to MI5, MI6 and undercover police. It's not that GCHQ is forcing people to post racist remarks it's that agent provocateurs from MI5 MI6 or undercover police are infiltrating UKIP, espousing repugnant view to cause people to turn back to supporting the criminal establishment come election time! People can know about government corruption, just not at election time when they bury their wrongdoing by using endless sensationalist articles linking the actions of their agent provocateurs who is associated in public consciousness to the establishment's political enemies!

calm down James Bond.

 

[pinkpolkadot]

Child777 I don't doubt most of what you say above and in your other post about provocation to justify actions goes on. Those in charge around the world have been getting up to this nonsense for years.

However, UKIP don't need to be spied upon or tricked to discredit them in my eyes, their biggoted views are right there in plain view within their policies, speeches and even on their billboards.

 

[child7777]

Ukip are the only major party that are standing up for British sovereignty. The EU is the plan of the Nazis as they stared defeat in the eye, a plan for an economic 4th reich. This is so important for people to understand, as we are literally losing our country to Nazi corporate interests via their political vehicle the EU! Here is an article about and I urge the commenters on this forum to properly look into it:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ort-shows-Nazis-planned-Fourth-Reich--EU.html

I personally will be voting for UKIP at the election, but there are some smaller parties that are for leaving the EU and I urge all to vote for them if you don't like being hoodwinked by Nazi corporate interests!
https://www.no2eu.com/
https://www.aipmep.org/

 

[Noodlebear]

Ah the good old daily fail.

 

[child7777]

There is an excellent book that goes into great detail about the eu being the brainchild of the Nazis:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00I22790W?pc_redir=1400298006&robot_redir=1