five year old missing!!

[Samemka]

I'm not telling anyone what they can and can't discuss. And I think the way its being dealt with here - i.e not plastering it over the internet but keeping private thoughts shared between each other through PM is very respectful and that's why I like this forum as people (generally) are careful not to upset others, whether they are regular members or not.

My question was a genuine one and I'm looking to understand, not to judge. I, personally, can't see what it achieves and I wondered why it's something people want to do. I don't speculate, I never have. It would never occur to me to pass a judgement on someone until the law has taken its course. Or even consider their involvement, if the police, who are in the thick of it, haven't deemed fit to do so. This isn't to say I'm right and others are wrong (as this sooo often is not the case!) I'm always just curious of how other people act and react, especially when this reaction is so different from my own. It always leads me to question how I do things and what my failings are, rather than looking at others and assuming they are wrong.

I meant no offence and will shut my gob and just watch!

I can't speak for everyone but personally, 'cases' like this.....I was going to say fascinate me, but that makes it sound weird.....I just find when I start reading about cases where children have gone missing, like April & Madeleine McCann, I get SO involved. I can't help it, I can't just hear about it & 'move on'. Maybe it's a desire to know what happened, how someone can 'get away' with it - or even, if both these cases, WHO is to blame & deep down, trying to understand if/how they will get brought to justice.

I think because of this, it's almost inevitable that you end up speculating. I'm not wanting to 'solve' anything or say 'HEY! This is what I think, it must be right', but when you spend so long trying to find things out, it just happens. I don't think it 'helps' me or anything - some of the thoughts I've had about this case are really horrible. I've had dreams about it & when the search was on the news channels, I had it on constantly.

I am the same with Madeleine McCann. Some people laugh & say 'Oh you & your conspiracy theories!' like I'm some wacko, but the way I see it is, until someone is proven to be guilty, all you are believing by going along with the families/polices version of events is still just a 'theory'. This case is 'harder' as for the moment, we don't know anything, so in order to discuss it, you have to speculate. With Maddie, there is so much info online released that IMO you can make your own informed opinion of what may have happened. To some, yes it is a 'conspiracy theory' because it doesn't fit with the official line, but I don't think questioning things is a bad thing.

I don't 'enjoy' discussing such a terrible subject but it is one which 'interests' me, IYKWIM.

 

[lhancock90]

I think we all get so involved because we wonder what we would want if it was our children.

 

[mumoffive]

I'm not telling anyone what they can and can't discuss. And I think the way its being dealt with here - i.e not plastering it over the internet but keeping private thoughts shared between each other through PM is very respectful and that's why I like this forum as people (generally) are careful not to upset others, whether they are regular members or not.

My question was a genuine one and I'm looking to understand, not to judge. I, personally, can't see what it achieves and I wondered why it's something people want to do. I don't speculate, I never have. It would never occur to me to pass a judgement on someone until the law has taken its course. Or even consider their involvement, if the police, who are in the thick of it, haven't deemed fit to do so. This isn't to say I'm right and others are wrong (as this sooo often is not the case!) I'm always just curious of how other people act and react, especially when this reaction is so different from my own. It always leads me to question how I do things and what my failings are, rather than looking at others and assuming they are wrong.

I meant no offence and will shut my gob and just watch!

I can't speak for everyone but personally, 'cases' like this.....I was going to say fascinate me, but that makes it sound weird.....I just find when I start reading about cases where children have gone missing, like April & Madeleine McCann, I get SO involved. I can't help it, I can't just hear about it & 'move on'. Maybe it's a desire to know what happened, how someone can 'get away' with it - or even, if both these cases, WHO is to blame & deep down, trying to understand if/how they will get brought to justice.

I think because of this, it's almost inevitable that you end up speculating. I'm not wanting to 'solve' anything or say 'HEY! This is what I think, it must be right', but when you spend so long trying to find things out, it just happens. I don't think it 'helps' me or anything - some of the thoughts I've had about this case are really horrible. I've had dreams about it & when the search was on the news channels, I had it on constantly.

I am the same with Madeleine McCann. Some people laugh & say 'Oh you & your conspiracy theories!' like I'm some wacko, but the way I see it is, until someone is proven to be guilty, all you are believing by going along with the families/polices version of events is still just a 'theory'. This case is 'harder' as for the moment, we don't know anything, so in order to discuss it, you have to speculate. With Maddie, there is so much info online released that IMO you can make your own informed opinion of what may have happened. To some, yes it is a 'conspiracy theory' because it doesn't fit with the official line, but I don't think questioning things is a bad thing.

I don't 'enjoy' discussing such a terrible subject but it is one which 'interests' me, IYKWIM.

I am like this...but my dh just doesnt get it at all. Saying that though i do feel for me personally that until fresh stuff is released that its a bit like picking over the bones of what happened. It does annoy me that with the press, it seems to be going along the lines of Tia Sharpe..where all of a sudden we have no longer heard anymore. I suppose that thread died out cause it got 'talked' out and nothing much was left to say. I suppose this thread will do the same unless new things come to light.

 

[Redhead84]

I think we all get so involved because we wonder what we would want if it was our children.

I think it's simpler than this - it's a strange trait of human nature.

We are all voyeurs to a certain extent - be it looking at a car accident as we drive past, being nosey at the neighbours new car or discussing the more awful aspects of life.


The most disturbing part, legally and professionally speaking here, of this whole case so far for me is the seeming trend towards criminalising free speech - but only if that speech happens to be on the wrong side of general public opinion. A kid gets 12 weeks in prison for saying something nasty, yet all those putting up Facebook pages calling for a suspect to hang before a trial has taken place, carry on!

Lawyer hat off again.

 

[Foogirl]

I think it's simpler than this - it's a strange trait of human nature.

We are all voyeurs to a certain extent - be it looking at a car accident as we drive past, being nosey at the neighbours new car or discussing the more awful aspects of life.


The most disturbing part, legally and professionally speaking here, of this whole case so far for me is the seeming trend towards criminalising free speech - but only if that speech happens to be on the wrong side of general public opinion. A kid gets 12 weeks in prison for saying something nasty, yet all those putting up Facebook pages calling for a suspect to hang before a trial has taken place, carry on!

Lawyer hat off again.

See, this is what bothers me and is the reason I asked the original question. I keep being told things are "human nature" then wondering why the heck I never seem to do those things. I must be a freak of human nature.

I do very much agree with your comments about free speech though. It's one thing to be disgusted and to speak out against people making those comments on twitter or facebook, but quite another to insist they should be prosecuted. I said the same about the tweets that idiot made to the young diver bloke (forget his name...) There were many tweets in response, directed to the original tweeter, which were wholly offensive and equally as "threatening" I didn't see any of those people being questioned by the police. It's as if, because they have done something abhorrent, then doing the same back to them is totally ok - which is a very bizarre way for the police to act.

 

[Tasha]

Redhead I have avoided fb pages for the most part due to that, but every now and again I get something in my newsfeed where someone has 'liked' a post on some goverment related facebook page, mostly they are calling for a public hanging (apparently this is what he deserves, despite not being convicted yet), bring back the death penalty, we want electric chairs and so on. Some have even said now that this paedophile has been charged lets hang him or something similar. So not only are they planning his death (ironic) but they have decided he is paedophile

Foogirl, that is similar to the fifty people that turned up at his house after the jokes/sexually explict comments about April. I have not heard that any of them got arrested, but to me that is far worse than messages on the internet. The fact people taking the law into their own hands has been (seemingly) ignored, is scary and sends out the wrong message to others. How long before someone ends up in hospital because of a mob after comments on a social networking site?

 

[lhancock90]

I think we all get so involved because we wonder what we would want if it was our children.

I think it's simpler than this - it's a strange trait of human nature.

We are all voyeurs to a certain extent - be it looking at a car accident as we drive past, being nosey at the neighbours new car or discussing the more awful aspects of life.


The most disturbing part, legally and professionally speaking here, of this whole case so far for me is the seeming trend towards criminalising free speech - but only if that speech happens to be on the wrong side of general public opinion. A kid gets 12 weeks in prison for saying something nasty, yet all those putting up Facebook pages calling for a suspect to hang before a trial has taken place, carry on!

Lawyer hat off again.

I agree.
The law on this is ridiculous, the man who made jokes about April jailed, one who made jokes about dead soldiers was given a suspended sentence. Wheres the continuity?

 

[Redhead84]

I am so glad that this forum is populated by the more sensible and thoughful in society - I would be confident that, if any of us were on a jury, we could be trusted to convict or acquit on the facts presented in court alone, but I sadly do not share that opinion for those booing outside court or writing these Facebook messages.

Continuity is often a difficult one, and one that the law maybe fails with at times.

Recently, a man who knocked down a pedestrian with his car, killing him, and refused to call 999 as "it would use up credit on my mobile phone" got a 1 year ban and 300 hours community service. My OH, made a mistake and lost control of his car on a bend, a biker was sadly badly injured when he collided with the car - my OH got a 3 year ban and a 12 month prison sentence... The lack of consistency sometimes wants to make me weep but it'll take bigger minds than mine to sort it all out.

 

[Pink1981]

Welsh cowgirl and Tasha can you pm me too please

 

[Pink1981]

Welsh cowgirl and Tasha can you pm me too please

Sorry welshcowgirl, only just seen that you are keeping your thoughts to yourself xxxx

 

[Ozzieshunni]

I'm slightly uncomfortable that people are PMing information about this case. If it's being PM'd it can still compromise the investigation.

 

[Tasha]

I'm slightly uncomfortable that people are PMing information about this case. If it's being PM'd it can still compromise the investigation.

How? (Genuine question not arsey comment )

I would of thought that to compromise the investigation, I would of had to be privy to some unannounced evidence and sharing my thoughts on it. Rather than I have just been reading and watching a lot, put together my thoughts, probably made 12 from 2+2 and shared it with people.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

I'm slightly uncomfortable that people are PMing information about this case. If it's being PM'd it can still compromise the investigation.

How? (Genuine question not arsey comment )

I would of thought that to compromise the investigation, I would of had to be privy to some unannounced evidence and sharing my thoughts on it. Rather than I have just been reading and watching a lot, put together my thoughts, probably made 12 from 2+2 and shared it with people.

Well, according to welsh, she does have information about the case specifically.

 

[lhancock90]

I'm slightly uncomfortable that people are PMing information about this case. If it's being PM'd it can still compromise the investigation.

How? (Genuine question not arsey comment )

I would of thought that to compromise the investigation, I would of had to be privy to some unannounced evidence and sharing my thoughts on it. Rather than I have just been reading and watching a lot, put together my thoughts, probably made 12 from 2+2 and shared it with people.

Well, according to welsh, she does have information about the case specifically.

Welsh has said she won't be PM-ing anybody.
x

 

[Tasha]

Yes, Welshcowgirl didnt pm anyone, and said she wont be doing so.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

That's good.

 

[welshcowgirl]

Hang on!!! I didnt say i knew anything at all. I was mearly going to pm my thoughts like tasha did. Yes i know a couple of things. But nothing major.

I simply decided to keep my thoughts to myself as i maybe way off and didnt want to upset anyone.

 

[welshcowgirl]

And ozzihuni, if people want to pm
Each other its up to them.

This thread has been a great help to many people, me included over the past week, people have been affected deeply by this case, and if it makes anybody feel better discussing the possibilities, what harm is it doing to anybody.

 

[Ozzieshunni]

I misread. Nevermind.

 

[Donna35]

No Welsh said previously that she knew a couple of things arising from her brother being involved in the search - that was a couple days ago though. The stuff she was going to pm about, as I read it, is just the same as Tasha, her own opinion of the case and ideas of what happened. But NOT proper information xx