Had to share as I find this very upsetting..

[Breezy]

When people are older and more mobile it is so much worse to get it done pain and recovery wise. And believe me, my husband is not childish at all. He is the smartest man I know and a huge realist. Female circ is not anything compared to male circ. As far as I know there are NO benefits to that while I believe in every benefit of male circ. The cleanliness, the reduced risk of infections, reduced risk of passing infection or pid to a woman partner, and im not ashamed to say that it also looks better and neater.

I made this decision for my child so he didn't need to go through the pain and soreness to get it done as an adult. Just like I made the decision for him to get his vaccines so he wont have to get diseases and like I will make every decision for him until he is 18.

 

[moomin_troll]

actualy ive seen the op for trimming the labia and its very much the same as circed.

so u can compare it to actualy how ud feel right now if ur mother wanted u to have it done.
yes u saw ur sons reaction but u or no one else knows exactly what he felt so u cant say its easier for him now. its not ur body, its his!

i find it weird that u care as to his penis looking neater!

 

[Breezy]

actualy ive seen the op for trimming the labia and its very much the same as circed.

so u can compare it to actualy how ud feel right now if ur mother wanted u to have it done.
yes u saw ur sons reaction but u or no one else knows exactly what he felt so u cant say its easier for him now. its not ur body, its his!

i find it weird that u care as to his penis looking neater!

If that was a decision my mother made for me at that age and there was a reason for her to make it and it was a normal thing that the rest of my family had done I would have no issue with that. Just as she made the decision to have my little brother circd. Obviously that is not something that is commonly practiced so yes would be quite strange if she out of the blue decided to have it done but like I said if it was normal then by all means. She is my mother.

And yes it looks neater it looks cleaner. It is easier to take care of. Every one that I have come across (I do day care) is much cleaner and doesn't smell as the un circd do. My husband is the one that made the decision as it is as he has the penis. Though it wasn't even a real decision that had to be made. I said are we getting him circd and he said yes of course there is no question.

There is nothing anyone can say that will make me feel bad for doing it. He is better off with it circd- its the norm here and I had no interest going against the grain.

 

[moomin_troll]

im asking if ur mum made that choice now, while u actualy have a voice so u can have a say in whats happening to ur body not while u were a baby.

and my son isnt circed and certainly doesnt smell down there so to me the whole cleaner argument doesnt sit well. and again i do find it strange that u care his penis looks neater! long as my boy is healthy i dont care what it looks like as im not the one whos going to spend the next x amount of yrs looking at it when he will be

 

[Breezy]

If that is what my mom thought was best for me then I would have no issue with that. But if that was the done thing then she would have done it when I was younger to not subject me to the pain as an adult. Why would I let him go til he is older and then have to go through that pain to get a circ done?

And while you may not feel it is cleaner, I do. Cleaner and neater. No need to worry about to retract the foreskin or not to or anything having to do with that. And whether or not you agree, it is my decision and I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that we made the right one for our child. And he will be thankful we did just as my husband and every one of my cousins and brothers were glad the decision was made for them.

 

[moomin_troll]

If that is what my mom thought was best for me then I would have no issue with that. But if that was the done thing then she would have done it when I was younger to not subject me to the pain as an adult. Why would I let him go til he is older and then have to go through that pain to get a circ done?

And while you may not feel it is cleaner, I do. Cleaner and neater. No need to worry about to retract the foreskin or not to or anything having to do with that. And whether or not you agree, it is my decision and I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that we made the right one for our child. And he will be thankful we did just as my husband and every one of my cousins and brothers were glad the decision was made for them.

i cant imagine any adult being fine with their mother making that kind of decision for them.

again uve mentioned neater....ok if u feel its cleaner ok but end of the day its a sexual organ and i dont see why ud feel it was important to look neat!

 

[hpjagged]

Well...... then the UK men must be infested with diseases and bacteria and what not.
Cleaner just doesn't cut it with me.

 

[Natasha2605]

Just watched that video.

I was already against circumcision in all cases apart from health reasons and that just 100000% backed up my views.

Disgusting. Cruel. That poor poor baby!

 

[annawrigley]

Why do you care if your son's penis is neat?! Weird...
And of course you are happy about doing it as a baby, because he has no voice, he can't tell you that it hurts and you will never know the amount of pain he went through because "he cried more at other things" maybe so but thats not necessarily an indication of the intensity of pain. If you'd done it when he was say, 5, and he screamed and cried and said Mummy that hurts why are you doing this to me and then every time he pissed and it stung him he cried about how sore it was, you still wouldn't feel bad? Why is it ok just because he is an innocent baby that cant voice those feelings? Doing it just "cos everyone else does" is a bit mindless tbh. And the cleanliness thing is just ridiculous cos as hpjagged said its not like the majority of men from the UK are wandering round infection ridden and smelling

 

[moomin_troll]

from birth my mum has said to me she could always tell when i was in alot of pain because i would go quiet and would be really nice...still to this day if i am in real pain like childbirth i am really nice and go in myself.

so from personal experience when in great pain u dont always scream and cry

 

[nov_mum]

I'm sorry but the cleanliness, less risk of infection argument is flawed to the point of ridiculousness. Penile cancer is incredibly rare and is only fractionally higher (probably not even of statistical importance) in uncirc'ed babies. It's like saying my child may have a very very rare cancer from immunisations so I won't get it done despite all of the benefits. Cleanliness is also a silly argument. You teach you kids to wash behind their ears and between their toes rather than cut them off. Girls need to be clean in their labia etc too but we don't argue that we should cut their labia off.

The STD/STI argument is stupid too. A small increased risk of contracting STI's when not using a condom...Lets revisit the issue here and that major issue is WITHOUT the condom. Circumcision is touted as being a necessary intervention as parents can't be bothered or don't want to teach their kids hygiene and safe sex??? hmmmmm, not a great argument.


The pain argument is terrible also. It is complete and utter nonsense that it hurts less. Ask any neurologist or anyone involved in child health and they will tell you that babies nervous systems are hypersensitive when they are born. Babies can be easily over stimulated just being held by a number of people. The truth is that they are unable to communicate it like an adult man so it is assumed that they have less pain. I personally find it difficult to justify hurting your infant unless the procedure is in their best interests. Checking their hips is horrible for them but it could save them problems later. Having immunisations could save them from severe sickness or death and taking a blood test to rule out conditions at birth can ensure that any disease is treated. The circumcision argument, cutting them so they can be neater, not need to be told to wash their penis, make it safer for them to have unprotected sex and because everyone else has done it??? I'm lost still with the potential benefits!

If you are wanting to cut your child then at the moment that is your choice. Please just don't justify it with poor arguments. Face it, if you want it done you are making the decision and it's your choice, not your baby's. For me, the 'everybody else is doing it' argument doesn't wash either. People owned slaves in many parts of the world but just because your neighbours and family did, doesn't make it right. It makes it popular in your location.

 

[cerrie311]

If that is what my mom thought was best for me then I would have no issue with that. But if that was the done thing then she would have done it when I was younger to not subject me to the pain as an adult. Why would I let him go til he is older and then have to go through that pain to get a circ done?

And while you may not feel it is cleaner, I do. Cleaner and neater. No need to worry about to retract the foreskin or not to or anything having to do with that. And whether or not you agree, it is my decision and I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that we made the right one for our child. And he will be thankful we did just as my husband and every one of my cousins and brothers were glad the decision was made for them.

My son is does not have a circ, he does not smell! You are not supposed to ever even try to retract the foreskin, the foreskin and the surface of the glans are one continuous structure..... It will separate naturally on its own when the baby is older.

 

[Breezy]

How would you all like it if someone bullied you and gained up on you for a decision you made for you child? Not every good I would imagine. You may not agree but I don't agree with you. I never said anything about your kids or uk men being disease ridden. These are my opinions and experiences. And while all of you can gang up on me about how much of a shit mom I am I know there are at least 60 people in my side of the family alone that agree 100 percent with me.

 

[ttc_lolly]

I don't believe in circumcision, but back off a bit ladies especially you moomin troll - it's not very nice to repeatedly call someone weird, and the way you keep insinuating her being something I don't even want to say, about her child's genitals that's just sick and very sick of you to think like that!

 

[moomin_troll]

I don't believe in circumcision, but back off a bit ladies especially you moomin troll - it's not very nice to repeatedly call someone weird, and the way you keep insinuating her being something I don't even want to say, about her child's genitals that's just sick and very sick of you to think like that!

and what exactly am i thinking?
i find it strange that in her reasons shes pointed out how it looks neater, and im not the only one.

u can think what u like but i am not insinuating shes anything!

 

[summer rain]

I can't blame breezy for getting defensive; there IS authentic, bonafide research from respected institutions that circ is cleaner than non-circ including playing a valuable role in cutting down on infections (not all of which are caused by sleeping around); whether people choose to believe that research is up to them.

A lot of the things said here about parents who circumcise their boys (as opposed to circ itself which you are welcome to disagree with), have been pretty horrible. A previous poster said when in pain her mum said she used to go 'quiet' and 'nice', and thus you cannot tell when a baby is in pain, well if your mum knew that was how you behaved when you were in pain and it was different than you'd expect, then most parents also know how their children behave when they are in pain. My youngest had his circumcision performed at 5 weeks because he was ill with jaundice before and had to regularly visit the hospital so we did not want to expose him to an infection risk; I knew how he behaved when in pain because he had had a minimum of 30 blood tests before that age (I lost count after that) where I was present. It was extremely painful for him to have all that blood drawn from different places in his hands and feet. When he had his circumcision done by a specialist urologist surgeon, not a GP or a religious leader; he was given a local anaesthetic that was allowed over an hour to work properly and the very small amount of cutting done was with a laser because we had the plastibell method done. After the surgery he didn't cry at all,nor did he cry or even wince during it and later that day he slept a bit longer as you would after a baby does after they have had their jabs but later on that night and from then on he was completely normal. I have seen those videos before and they don't present the way that my son's had their circumcisions performed; it is wrong for a baby to be taken far away from its parents and strapped down-for any procedure unless it is some type of medical emergency, but one video does not show an accurate picture of how most circumcisions are carried out.

 

[tiger]

i dont think it weird that she wants it to look neater at all? my son isnt circ'd but i dont think its weird. shes not wanting it to look neater for herself (thats sick), shes wanting it to look neater for her son , and easier to clean for her son when hes 2/3/4/5. we all know little boys arent the cleanest. and im sure they go through that stage where they want to do everything themselves. and i think it could be for a future partner aswell.
my husband is circ'd, ive seen both, and i MUCH prefer circ'd men. i think it looks neater.
hugs breezy, sorry ur getting jumped on

 

[summer rain]

i dont think it weird that she wants it to look neater at all? my son isnt circ'd but i dont think its weird. shes not wanting it to look neater for herself (thats sick), shes wanting it to look neater for her son , and easier to clean for her son when hes 2/3/4/5. we all know little boys arent the cleanest. and im sure they go through that stage where they want to do everything themselves. and i think it could be for a future partner aswell.
my husband is circ'd, ive seen both, and i MUCH prefer circ'd men. i think it looks neater.
hugs breezy, sorry ur getting jumped on

Thank you!

 

[ttc_lolly]

and what exactly am i thinking?
i find it strange that in her reasons shes pointed out how it looks neater, and im not the only one.

u can think what u like but i am not insinuating shes anything!

it doesn't bear thinking about if that is what u were thinking or insinuating, but i'm just letting you know as a spectator on the thread, that's what it certainly seemed like what you were saying!!

just ease off a bit - i know this is something that people can get very passionate about, just lay off the excessive ''weird'' name calling a bit?

 

[JASMAK]

How would you all like it if someone bullied you and gained up on you for a decision you made for you child? Not every good I would imagine. You may not agree but I don't agree with you. I never said anything about your kids or uk men being disease ridden. These are my opinions and experiences. And while all of you can gang up on me about how much of a shit mom I am I know there are at least 60 people in my side of the family alone that agree 100 percent with me.

I just think that when you say that people smell if they are not circumcized, then perhaps you DIDN'T get the facts to make your decision. My son is not circ'd and he is clean. My hubby is, and he is too...but, I think it depends more on how a person cleans themselves rather than how it looks. And yes, you don't retract the foreskin when they are little. I have never had to 'clean' my son's penis. He is 8 and he knows to clean it, but when he was little, he did...and he has had NO issues. I don't think anyone here is 'bullying' you, but you do sound like perhaps you didn't have all the facts. At any rate, it's your choice (for now). I really don't think you are a shit mom for doing it. I don't even ask mom's if there son is circ'd or not! Who asks that, right? LOL! I think that if everyone is encouraging you too, then it's easy to make that decision. I know, because that's how it was for me...but the doctors talked me out of it, and I am glad they did.