Hospital vs home birth?

[PeanutBean]

I just don't even know how to respond to your rationale Pixie.

 

[indy and lara]

Is this ridiculous bickering going to go on and on and on? Using terms like 'giving your baby heroin' are designed to do nothing but fan the flames Moomin. You may be getting at Pixie but you are slating the choice of every woman who has had an epidural, for WHATEVER reason. There is no need.

 

[queenlavera]

Honestly are there really going to be a comparison between Heroin and an epidural. You can't be serious!

 

[moomin_troll]

my comment is stating a ingrediant in some pain relief (if a woman chooses to have this medication given then it wont be a shock to whats in it)where as the member i was quoating was wishing someone harm....i find her post alot more offensive then mine.

 

[Nibblenic]

Okay I haven read past the first few pages since its been recently moved into debates but heres my two pence.

I think if youve had a uncomplicated low risk pregnancy in the UK you are far better off in terms of care having a home birth.

I personally had a very complicated high risk birth. Which eventually ended in a catA1 secion as she was stuck and no heart beat.

However we knew things were starting to go wrong 3 hours+ befre she arrived. I would ave been back in hospital at the point where she needed clips on her head which I believe was roughly 3-4pm she was born at 7pm

Now if i have another babyI will be opting for a planned c-section because I believe the chances of another child getting itself into the same situation are very high.

Every labour is different you may have had one bad then youl ave one good or the opposite way around. I also think/presume that here in the UK we are closer to the hospitals. Im pretty rurual and I could get to two labour wards in 30mins or less on blue lights.

 

[polo_princess]

How about a little less petty bickering and a little more debating since this is in the debate section

You have this section for a little more freedom to "debate", so please dont abuse it, it's not ok to be offensive anywhere on the forum, here is of no exception.

 

[SyllyPoohBear]

Sorry to all who were hurt. I am not going to take responsibility for you feelings however because those are your own. You choose to be upset. The truth is epidurals aren't good for your baby. If you choose to have one fine. It doesn't change the facts. The point in ranting in my unending feelings about this is that I am hurt. I am hurt that in a moment of great triumph women give up. YOU ARE POWERFUL EVERY ONE OF YOU! This is the ONE thing that NO OTHER PERSON CAN EXPERIENCE but us! We were MEANT to go through it. And in that we were meant to feel every pain. WE are MEANT to connect with our bodies in a way we never have before. I could feel my daughter pushing her way down in effort to meet us. And she came out with not a cry but a contentment. That I could NEVER forget. She knew she was loved from every decision we had chosen. That is why I am so passionate because I desire EVERY women have that feeling of power and contentment. That EVERY women feel the overwhelming hormones that take over when you give birth naturally. Birth is BEAUTIFUL not traumatic and dangerous. I'm sorry I took a horrible BLUNT approach to this. But the passion of my belief and the truth make it hard for me not to be. I hope we can call a truce. Know one has to agree with what I say. Because know matter what we will all have different opinions. Please just choose to be educated.

Ps. I'd also like to say I was not pin pointing ANYONE merely stating.

 

[Blah11]

sylly - you're coming across as quite condescending and militant tbh. i do agree with the majority of what you're trying to say but I don't agree with how you're saying it :\

 

[Pixie2320]

Sorry to all who were hurt. I am not going to take responsibility for you feelings however because those are your own. You choose to be upset. The truth is epidurals aren't good for your baby. If you choose to have one fine. It doesn't change the facts. The point in ranting in my unending feelings about this is that I am hurt. I am hurt that in a moment of great triumph women give up. YOU ARE POWERFUL EVERY ONE OF YOU! This is the ONE thing that NO OTHER PERSON CAN EXPERIENCE but us! We were MEANT to go through it. And in that we were meant to feel every pain. WE are MEANT to connect with our bodies in a way we never have before. I could feel my daughter pushing her way down in effort to meet us. And she came out with not a cry but a contentment. That I could NEVER forget. She knew she was loved from every decision we had chosen. That is why I am so passionate because I desire EVERY women have that feeling of power and contentment. That EVERY women feel the overwhelming hormones that take over when you give birth naturally. Birth is BEAUTIFUL not traumatic and dangerous. I'm sorry I took a horrible BLUNT approach to this. But the passion of my belief and the truth make it hard for me not to be. I hope we can call a truce. Know one has to agree with what I say. Because know matter what we will all have different opinions. Please just choose to be educated.

Ps. I'd also like to say I was not pin pointing ANYONE merely stating.

Birth is BEAUTIFUL not traumatic and dangerous.

Really? So there must be something wrong with those of us who's birth experience WAS traumatic and dangerous then?

The women who almost died, who's child almost died or did die.That sounds truly beautiful and not in the least traumatic. (this is sarcasm just incase anyone needs that pointed out)

The argument that we "should" be able to give birth without problem and without pain relief holds about as much water as a holy bucket for lots of women. Just because women have been giving birth since the beginning of time does NOT mean that the standard of care from then should be applied now.

Surely since medical intervention and pain killers are so harmful the incident of babies and their mothers dying in child birth has gone through the roof in the last 100 years or so..

No? Oh. that's right...far fewer women and their babies die in child birth now.. Huh... I wonder how that works out, since we're all doing terrible harm to ourselves and child by opting for pain relief.

 

[Blah11]

^ The majority of births arent traumatic or dangerous though. I'm sure she's talking in general terms, theres always exceptions to the rule.

I don't think pain relief has anything to do with maternal and neonatal death rates declining though. I think its advances in drugs (not pain related), diagnostic and surgery techniques and sanitation.

 

[chuck]

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[silver_penny]

Then again, pain relief does not necessarily equal fewer maternal and neonatal deaths....

 

[Pixie2320]

Women who needed a c-section used to be cut open without anything more than opium or something even less helpful, I would say that kind of pain is probably more than enough to put most women into shock increasing their chances of dying during the process

 

[wishingonastar]

Sorry to all who were hurt. I am not going to take responsibility for you feelings however because those are your own. You choose to be upset. The truth is epidurals aren't good for your baby. If you choose to have one fine. It doesn't change the facts. The point in ranting in my unending feelings about this is that I am hurt. I am hurt that in a moment of great triumph women give up. YOU ARE POWERFUL EVERY ONE OF YOU! This is the ONE thing that NO OTHER PERSON CAN EXPERIENCE but us! We were MEANT to go through it. And in that we were meant to feel every pain. WE are MEANT to connect with our bodies in a way we never have before. I could feel my daughter pushing her way down in effort to meet us. And she came out with not a cry but a contentment. That I could NEVER forget. She knew she was loved from every decision we had chosen. That is why I am so passionate because I desire EVERY women have that feeling of power and contentment. That EVERY women feel the overwhelming hormones that take over when you give birth naturally. Birth is BEAUTIFUL not traumatic and dangerous. I'm sorry I took a horrible BLUNT approach to this. But the passion of my belief and the truth make it hard for me not to be. I hope we can call a truce. Know one has to agree with what I say. Because know matter what we will all have different opinions. Please just choose to be educated.

Ps. I'd also like to say I was not pin pointing ANYONE merely stating.

sorry but again i think you need to broaden your understanding and recognise diversity

saying we women were born to do this and should embrace it...yes, but you still mean au natural and we're wusses if we have pain relief

to say birth is beautiful and not dangerous or traumatic IMO is naive...birth is a very dangerous procedure even in this day and age for a number of reasons (not for everyone, but for many)

saying about you could feel your daughter pushing her way into the world...this highlights why you need to broaden your knowledge before making sweeping statements that ultimately insult the diversity of people's birth experience considering i NEVER felt the urge to push with emily despite not having drugs so technically i should have felt everything...i felt the pain, believe me i felt the pain, but i NEVER had a pushing urge and never felt her moving out my body, the only way i knew it was over and she was born was the pain stopped!

the above about the difference in pushing, to me, shows how different people's births are and cannot be put under one umbrella as you seem to!

 

[Blah11]

Women who needed a c-section used to be cut open without anything more than opium or something even less helpful, I would say that kind of pain is probably more than enough to put most women into shock increasing their chances of dying during the process

Obviously anaesthetic in a spinal or epidural for surgery reasons are different :\

 

[silver_penny]

Women who needed a c-section used to be cut open without anything more than opium or something even less helpful, I would say that kind of pain is probably more than enough to put most women into shock increasing their chances of dying during the process

Interesting... So only those who have c-sections get epi's, eh?

My point was that just because we have access to pain relief does not cause less deaths. There are other things, such as better diet, knowledge of disease and infection, cleanliness, etc. that have decreased the deaths of babies and mothers during birth.

 

[Pixie2320]

Women who needed a c-section used to be cut open without anything more than opium or something even less helpful, I would say that kind of pain is probably more than enough to put most women into shock increasing their chances of dying during the process

Interesting... So only those who have c-sections get epi's, eh?

My point was that just because we have access to pain relief does not cause less deaths. There are other things, such as better diet, knowledge of disease and infection, cleanliness, etc. that have decreased the deaths of babies and mothers during birth.

Yes, because that's precisely what I said.

Just pointed out one instance where pain meds alone would make a difference in life or death. I tend to like those more thank blanket statements like " Birth is beautiful, not traumatic or dangerous"

 

[moomin_troll]

Women who needed a c-section used to be cut open without anything more than opium or something even less helpful, I would say that kind of pain is probably more than enough to put most women into shock increasing their chances of dying during the process

Interesting... So only those who have c-sections get epi's, eh?

My point was that just because we have access to pain relief does not cause less deaths. There are other things, such as better diet, knowledge of disease and infection, cleanliness, etc. that have decreased the deaths of babies and mothers during birth.

i was going to say exactly this myself but ive just given up now

 

[silver_penny]

Pain meds have also caused deaths during births. Can go both ways, hun.

 

[diz]

i NEVER felt the urge to push with emily despite not having drugs so technically i should have felt everything...i felt the pain, believe me i felt the pain, but i NEVER had a pushing urge and never felt her moving out my body, the only way i knew it was over and she was born was the pain stopped!

Funny you should say this because I never felt the urge to push either. It was only when the midwife told me that I needed to start pushing the baby out that that is what I tried to do. I was probably 10cm for an hour before I actually started pushing.