IVF Article number Bleh - Egg Collection

[chocci]

hun.. 2 people i know on these boards got s between 10DPO and 13DPO. Wannabemum and Akchter

Good luck hun

FX!!!


xxx

I'm 9dpo now and dying of cramps. Plus, there wasn't even so much of a questionable line on that test. Not even a shadow. These cramps actually woke me up. if I didn't know better I'd say that the would be here in the next couple of days, they're that bad. Boobs, fine. Head, fine. Everything, fine.

Grr.

Hun honestly i believe the cramps are progestrone related, your taking prog sups arent you? See on a normal cycle i rarely get period pains, the most i ever get is a few hrs before due on and i get a bit of aching EXACTLY the same feeling i got for a full 5 days with the progestrone!!! I mentioned to the nurse and also did some reading and she said yes the prog can do that! I absolutely guarantee that they are prog related progestrone seems to be the bain of most IVF cycles and i thought the injections would be the worst!! I also think 9dpo is very early too most people dont seem to get the true positive until at least day 12.....remeber a lot of people getting pos may still have HCG in system if they doing treatments at day 9 ? X

 

[chocci]

Oh and i will be testing my theory of the progestrone for everyone through FET if i get the same symptoms then then it will defo be prog related! I am actually interested to find out since a lot of people complain about the cramping too, with pos and neg results!

 

[CurlySue]

These are worse than normal period pains. I've been taking progesterone all along and it's only been minor. Oh and I've been having EWCM. I get this a week or so before period. Starts around now and increases. Apparently it's because estrogen is becoming dominant over progesterone.

A friend just recommended a different centre for my second NHS cycle. He's a doctor and knows certain people and has recommended a centre in Nottingham. It's private, but you can request for your NHS cycle to be carried out there. Since I have absolutely no faith in the hospital we are at I am seriously looking into it. Not sure how long their waiting list is, though...

I'm not pregnant. I know I'm not pregnant. Convincing myself I might be is counter-productive.

 

[Brambletess]

EWCM is not in any way reliable. I always get it too and still did with my BFP as well. Your cramps could be later implantation too and if they are you would of course be getting BFNs. Thats said though you know yourself and preparing for a BFN will probably lessen the fall if that is the outcome. A BFP will be good no matter what but a BFN can be made easier by being prepared. I understand that. I personally think from reading through your thread it is still totally up in the air and am hoping things will work out for you.

Moving hopsitals sounds like the right thing for you. You have not had faith in them and it was difficult from the start. A fresh start would be good and hopefully there is no major waiting list. Its good to have a way forward to focus on.

 

[chocci]

EWCM is not in any way reliable. I always get it too and still did with my BFP as well. Your cramps could be later implantation too and if they are you would of course be getting BFNs. Thats said though you know yourself and preparing for a BFN will probably lessen the fall if that is the outcome. A BFP will be good no matter what but a BFN can be made easier by being prepared. I understand that. I personally think from reading through your thread it is still totally up in the air and am hoping things will work out for you.

Moving hopsitals sounds like the right thing for you. You have not had faith in them and it was difficult from the start. A fresh start would be good and hopefully there is no major waiting list. Its good to have a way forward to focus on.

I agree entirely

 

[toby2]

just back from work and popping by to see how you are(((((()))))))

 

[toby2]

caught up on the thread and i think hospital thing sounds like a good step forward
x

 

[Greta]

Hi there, I just wanted to say good luck. I expect there are few things as pressurised as IVF, but you sound down and maybe doing something to clear your head, like a walk in the sunshine may help you feel a bit better? It is still early days.. Greta. x

 

[Pippin]

Hon, I had horrendous cramps for two days just around bfp time, worse than any period (almost stabbing at times). I still have hope for you. My friend that had IVF had the cramps too for a couple of days. Keeping my fingers crossed toffee crisps are just getting comfy. xxx

 

[maz]

I'm just going to repeat what everyone else has said hun. Progesterone can really make you think AF is on her way. I had it first time and got my (shortlived) . I got it second time and got my . Fingers crossed it's the build up of progesterone, not only from the pessaries but also from your little embies starting to nestle in ... and you know that 9DPO is quite early to be getting a reliable result - so try and hang in there. I'm not saying get your hopes up, but do try and hang in there.

If good wishes and prayers could get you your , you'd have it by now hun. But then again, so would the rest of us ...

 

[CurlySue]

Ah thanks, girls. I just wish I could believe it. I just close my eyes and try to visualise something positive and nothing happens. I try to imagine the toffee crisps in there but I just feel empty, like they are not there and never were. I know that progesterone can give you symptoms, etc. It's a mindfuck in that sense.

How did you afford to go private, Maz? Was it savings, good job or loan? I'm seriously going to have to start thinking about this. With no embryos on ice (shitty hospital, ai, would not even give them a chance) and only one go left it's something I'd like to plan for...

 

[Lilly123]

hang in there hun.. when is your official blood test??

xxx

 

[CurlySue]

hang in there hun.. when is your official blood test??

xxx

There is no blood test. Our shitty hospital says "Take a clearblue"...

Have never known a crappier hospital.

 

[chocci]

Yep my hospital is as bad really, where i am i only get one chance at ICSI granted i get all the frozen cycles for this ICSI cycle that just failed BUT if i had none on ice i would be having to pay up now to start again....plus back to the end of the queue apparently on a waiting list 6 months long!

 

[MrsJD]

hang in there hun.. when is your official blood test??

xxx

There is no blood test. Our shitty hospital says "Take a clearblue"...

Have never known a crappier hospital.

That's unbelievable!

So when are you meant to test?

X

 

[toby2]

am thinking if you need to go through this again def change hospitals!!They do sound shittyxxx
so wish there was something ,anything , any of us could do to help you through this-ho is you oh with it all?is he at home at the weekend?being on your own through stuff like this is no bloody fun at all

 

[CurlySue]

Official Test Day is Wednesday. My period is due before then. Period due Monday/Tuesday. Getting all the usual signs. Do a clearblue, for God's sake. I don't understand this country really. How are they even to know WHY it went wrong if they don't properly test? In other countries there is ongoing progesterone/estrogen testing, even HCG testing as far as I know. They have those BETA test things done. It might indicate a hormonal imbalance that requires addressing in order for the next cycle to work. Ours do nothing of the sort. They put you on Clomid and don't even test you to see if it's worked, just send you away and say "See you in four or five months time." I was on Clomid absolutely pointlessly for four months because there was nobody to inform that it was not working.

As for frosties, well, they were my back up hope. I don't even HAVE any frosties. Mine were not worthy of the space. This, despite the fact that I have known of people to have 5 cell embryos transferred on Day 3 and had healthy babies. My 5 day embryos (had at least a few of them) were discarded (they were a little slow, the embryologist said) whilst other people's one day embryos are stored. Stupid two-faced hospital. So, if this fails it's a whole cycle all over again. Last free attempt. Would have to hope for it to be better than this time, that at least we would get SOME to freeze, which at least gives a back up option.

I could not recommend this hospital less. That's why I am seriously considering my friend's recommendation of going elsewhere. Pioneering, he said. I like the sound of that. They also have a 49/1% success rate per embryo transfer compared to our hospital's shite 34%.

I know I am useless, girls, and I do appreciate people being nice, etc. I suppose this is just my way. It does mean alot though that you care enough to try. I'm just not feeling good at all. But ooh, there is Iker Casillas on TV and he's gorgeous. Random distraction!!!

Toby, OH is here. We are watching Spain play USA. One of the toffee crisps' namesakes is playing, at least. My mum isn't very good at 'being around' to be honest because she has an absolute infatuation with my sister. The whole world revolves around her. She doesn't say the right things, tries sometimes but only on her terms.

It's just really hard. I knew it would be hard, didn't think it would be THIS hard. I just wish it was over, now. I think I am at peace with it, now. What will be will be.

 

[MrsF]

just dropped in to thinking of you hun x x x i have no idea what to say to you hun as i'm a month or so behind you in the ivf road, i just wanted to let you know i'm rooting for you and your toffee crisps x x x x

i hope it doesn't come to this, but i'm at that nottingham clinic you mentioned earlier. am more than happy to pm you all the stuff you need. but i truely hope you don't need it and that i never have to meet you there (in the nicest possible way bud, lol!) x x x i'll drop by friday to catch up x x x

 

[maz]

How did you afford to go private, Maz? Was it savings, good job or loan?

Hubby had some savings set aside for a Range Rover. It was going to be his present to himself when we got pregnant. He decided the money would be better spent trying to get pregnant and the car could come at a later date. We are both in good jobs as well, so we are saving for another cycle. Plus, we have a part time business as well. Unfortunately it is in property, which ain't so good, but we've decided to make it a long term investment instead of a 'buy it, do it up, and sell it' house.

IVF isn't cheap, but needs must. And if our NHS cycle doesn't work, then I'd definitely go private again. I just wish our NHS would farm out some of their patients to the private clinic - I'd definitely offer to go there for treatment... Hmmm - wonder if I can ask for treatment to be done there instead ...

 

[CurlySue]

How did you afford to go private, Maz? Was it savings, good job or loan?

Hubby had some savings set aside for a Range Rover. It was going to be his present to himself when we got pregnant. He decided the money would be better spent trying to get pregnant and the car could come at a later date. We are both in good jobs as well, so we are saving for another cycle. Plus, we have a part time business as well. Unfortunately it is in property, which ain't so good, but we've decided to make it a long term investment instead of a 'buy it, do it up, and sell it' house.

IVF isn't cheap, but needs must. And if our NHS cycle doesn't work, then I'd definitely go private again. I just wish our NHS would farm out some of their patients to the private clinic - I'd definitely offer to go there for treatment... Hmmm - wonder if I can ask for treatment to be done there instead ...

Do you have to stay in the country? How does the NHS work there? Could you opt to go elsewhere? The clinic my doctor friend has recommended has a few centres. They are private but you can opt for NHS treatment to be carried out there. I'm seriously tempted, depending on waiting lists.

My job is shite. i was going to concentrate on 'the career' after I had the baby but...well, you know. And J's job truly is dependent upon the economy. He has a good salary but his bonuses are commission based and if nobody is buying, no commission to be had, etc.

Ugh.