Jehovah's Witnesses

[Aidan's Mummy]

Genuine question,

where did God come from?

Lol good question, well the bible says that he has existed forever, which is hard for us to comprehend but we do have an understanding of what forever means - the bible says that he has put the desire to live forever into our hearts, i mean none of us want to die right?

Ps. 90:2 says “Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.”

Is that reasonable? Our minds cannot fully comprehend it. But that is not a sound reason for rejecting it. Consider examples: (1)*Time. No one can point to a certain moment as the beginning of time. And it is a fact that, even though our lives end, time does not. We do not reject the idea of time because there are aspects of it that we do not fully comprehend. Rather, we regulate our lives by it. (2)*Space. Astronomers find no beginning or end to space. The farther they probe into the universe, the more there is. They do not reject what the evidence shows; many refer to space as being infinite. The same principle applies to the existence of God.
Other examples: (1)*Astronomers tell us that the heat of the sun at its core is 27,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (15,000,000°*C.). Do we reject that idea because we cannot fully comprehend such intense heat? (2)*They tell us that the size of our Milky Way is so great that a beam of light traveling at over 186,000 miles per second (300,000 km/sec) would require 100,000 years to cross it. Do our minds really comprehend such a distance? Yet we accept it because scientific evidence supports it.
Which is more reasonable—that the universe is the product of a living, intelligent Creator? or that it must have arisen simply by chance from a nonliving source without intelligent direction? Some persons adopt the latter viewpoint because to believe otherwise would mean that they would have to acknowledge the existence of a Creator whose qualities they cannot fully comprehend. But it is well known that scientists do not fully comprehend the functioning of the genes that are within living cells and that determine how these cells will grow. Nor do they fully understand the functioning of the human brain. Yet, who would deny that these exist? Should we really expect to understand everything about a Person who is so great that he could bring into existence the universe, with all its intricate design and stupendous size?

Ah, you're good! Thank you.

I do know that whilst we "know" a lot, we could be barking up the wrong tree and just feeding off our own knowledge, which was made by us in the first place. (I hope this makes sense I'm really rubbish at explaining things to anyone over the age of 3.)

Just like science can't tell us where everything came from I'm a little bit gutted that the bible doesn't either. He must have come from somewhere right? Or wrong? How can he just be? I guess to understand that I need to know what "he" is? Is he a real person? A spirit? A figment of imagination? Does no one really know?

Do JW believe in 2012?

God is a powerful spirit being.... and no we dont beleieve in 2012. No one knows when armageddon will come, the bible just describes signs so we know that it is near.....but its not a bad thing as depicted in movies etc, and its not destruction of the earth, its the removal of wickedness and to usher in Gods new world and government.

And God decides who is wicked and who is pure? Each person in the whole world, one by one?

I will stop asking questions now, although I have a million

I think he will do it one by one not really sure

He will just look at your heart and if he sees a kind loving good person you will stay ( Correct me if I'm wrong sb).

xx

 

[stuffymuffy]

Why do we suffer pain during childbirth. If the new system does come will we still have that pain?

If everyone lives forever will be need doctors,nurses and MW,s etc
xx

Pain in childbirth came after the fall of man, when Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:16 " To the woman he said, I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children."
I'm not sure what you mean by the new system though?
And there will be no pain and suffering when Christ comes back so, no there will be no need for medical professionals

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

They jw's say when god brings peace on earth it will be the new system. And they call this the old system. Thats how they explained it to me

So it says the pain will increase. Does that mean there was some pain already?
xx

 

[madasa]

Genuine question,

where did God come from?

Lol good question, well the bible says that he has existed forever, which is hard for us to comprehend but we do have an understanding of what forever means - the bible says that he has put the desire to live forever into our hearts, i mean none of us want to die right?

Ps. 90:2 says “Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.”

Is that reasonable? Our minds cannot fully comprehend it. But that is not a sound reason for rejecting it. Consider examples: (1)*Time. No one can point to a certain moment as the beginning of time. And it is a fact that, even though our lives end, time does not. We do not reject the idea of time because there are aspects of it that we do not fully comprehend. Rather, we regulate our lives by it. (2)*Space. Astronomers find no beginning or end to space. The farther they probe into the universe, the more there is. They do not reject what the evidence shows; many refer to space as being infinite. The same principle applies to the existence of God.
Other examples: (1)*Astronomers tell us that the heat of the sun at its core is 27,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (15,000,000°*C.). Do we reject that idea because we cannot fully comprehend such intense heat? (2)*They tell us that the size of our Milky Way is so great that a beam of light traveling at over 186,000 miles per second (300,000 km/sec) would require 100,000 years to cross it. Do our minds really comprehend such a distance? Yet we accept it because scientific evidence supports it.
Which is more reasonable—that the universe is the product of a living, intelligent Creator? or that it must have arisen simply by chance from a nonliving source without intelligent direction? Some persons adopt the latter viewpoint because to believe otherwise would mean that they would have to acknowledge the existence of a Creator whose qualities they cannot fully comprehend. But it is well known that scientists do not fully comprehend the functioning of the genes that are within living cells and that determine how these cells will grow. Nor do they fully understand the functioning of the human brain. Yet, who would deny that these exist? Should we really expect to understand everything about a Person who is so great that he could bring into existence the universe, with all its intricate design and stupendous size?

Ah, you're good! Thank you.

I do know that whilst we "know" a lot, we could be barking up the wrong tree and just feeding off our own knowledge, which was made by us in the first place. (I hope this makes sense I'm really rubbish at explaining things to anyone over the age of 3.)

Just like science can't tell us where everything came from I'm a little bit gutted that the bible doesn't either. He must have come from somewhere right? Or wrong? How can he just be? I guess to understand that I need to know what "he" is? Is he a real person? A spirit? A figment of imagination? Does no one really know?

Do JW believe in 2012?

God is a powerful spirit being.... and no we dont beleieve in 2012. No one knows when armageddon will come, the bible just describes signs so we know that it is near.....but its not a bad thing as depicted in movies etc, and its not destruction of the earth, its the removal of wickedness and to usher in Gods new world and government.

And God decides who is wicked and who is pure? Each person in the whole world, one by one?

I will stop asking questions now, although I have a million

Plus all the ones who died having sinned and considered deserving of a last chance saloon... I don't know who is meant to do the judging tho... I can't rmbr

 

[Serene123]

Heather a baby coming out of your vag is never going to be easy!!

I would love a JW to come to my door now. I'm really interested!

 

[ShanandBoc]

Some people seem to be giving ShanandBoc a bit of a hard time; She has been asked dozens of questions, all of which she has answered fully, and politely. I for one am finding it very interesting, despite not being religious.

Can I ask, regarding Adam and Eve; does their existance mean that JW's dont believe we evolved from ape's, but only Adam and Eve? And if so, was there a world before humans were around? Dinosoars etc? Why was there such a long time before humans were on the planet?

Sorry if Im being stupid

Since Christian and JW's believe the same about creation I believe I can answer is, but I apologize if it's not right with JW's teachings. Man was created in God's image, we were never Apes and JW's do not believe in the theory of evolution, in fact by the end of Darwin's life he renounced the theory as well
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created him."
There was a world before humans were created:
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty..."
Humans were created on the last day so there was a 7 day gap between the creation of the earth and all of it's entirety and when humans were created.

Thanks for that. So what about dinosoars/cavemen, things like that. Is it believed that they existed? I have a feeling I am being stupid lol

Jws don't believe dinosaurs existed. (ds would ne gutted, lol!). They also font believe the earth ismilliond of years old. I don't know why they don't believe in dinosaurs... The bible doesn't state what kinds of animal god created (giraffe, dog, lion, lizard, fish). Why cdnt modern beasts have evolved from the ones he created?

Lol....Of course they existed, there are the fossills to prove they did. Obviously humans and dinosaurs didnt co exist but theory has it they were created to keep vegetation at the time down etc.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

They say that all loved ones that have passed will be ressurrected(sp?)

Will that mean everyone or does it depend on how they were in life?
xx

 

[madasa]

I don't get it - every religion in the world thinks their religion is the right one and everyone else is being idolatrous - if you question this they ALL say they have faith that their religion is the correct one. How does anyone know what is right? x

I recall a Sunday meeting when I was about 11 or so that dealt with thus exact question. If only I hadn't been so bored and actually listened I could have given you an on depth answer to this question . One of my main beefs with them is that little kids are dragged to these meetings and are just bored witless by them. Otoh I used to enjoy the bible studies at their homes. They were so much mire cozy and relaxed... I actually listened occasionally and it was interesting even if I didn't agree with it.

I'm living proof btw that they don't indoctrinate people. Their teachings are accurate, IMO, according to what the bible says. But I came to a point where I realised that I didn't AGREE with much of what the bible said.

Lol True, But little kids are bored by alot of things, they just dont have the attention span of an adult. I know i used to get bored by school alot unless it was PE or playtime haha, but nonetheless mum made me go as she knew it would benefit me in the long run. Same reasoning for parents taking their children to meetings, or church for that matter. It amazing what you do actually take in, the amount i learnt without even realising is crazy, because i heard and studied it so much, ive retained much more than i thought now that im an adult

Eventually its up to the kids to make their own choices, hence i stopped going to meetings when i was about 13 as hanging out with my friends, drinking, smoking going to parties etc at the time seemed so much more interesting, guess thats part of growning up, you soon learn.

At least these kids are getting raised with good morals and standards to live by, their parents are trying to set an example, but in the end, everyone has to make their own choice. And here i am back studying with Jehovahs witnesses again, sometimes you have to learn the hard way!!

Yes school is boring but at least kids do stuff! Meetings were not kid friendly when I went... Other than answer up to one or two simple questions, there was nothing for kids to do. For two and a half hours. It's a long time for a little bottom to sit still!

 

[ShanandBoc]

God is a powerful spirit being.... and no we dont beleieve in 2012. No one knows when armageddon will come, the bible just describes signs so we know that it is near.....but its not a bad thing as depicted in movies etc, and its not destruction of the earth, its the removal of wickedness and to usher in Gods new world and government.

Can I ask; what kind of signs? x

Sure i have actually explained this in another post but its so hard to keep up i know lol

In revelation the bible speaks of a time that Satan was cast down to the earth and was misleading the entire inhabited earth. This was the beginning of the last days spoken of in Matthew 24. It desribes not only world events….great earthquakes, great wars, pestilences, the good news would be preached on a global scale and also the attitudes and the traits and morals of the majority of humankind would take a dive. This is described at 2 timothy chapter 3 where it says that critical times hard to deal with would be here, men would be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self – assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient, disloyal, unthankful,having no natural affection, slanderes, without slef control, fierce, without love of goodnessheadsrtong, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God.

The first great war was world war 1, humankinds first ever world war in 1914. This marked the beginning of the last days. Three times as many people have died in wars in the 20th century as in all wars from the first century AD to 1899. The last century has been a period of almost unbroken war with armed conflicts going on somewhere in the world.

 

[Aidan's Mummy]

Heather a baby coming out of your vag is never going to be easy!!

I would love a JW to come to my door now. I'm really interested!

I can hope can't I.

I just had a thought would we be allowed pain releif.

If your interested hun maybe ask for a bible study. They come to you and it's so informal it's like having a chat with a friend
xx

 

[stuffymuffy]

Genuine question,

where did God come from?

Lol good question, well the bible says that he has existed forever, which is hard for us to comprehend but we do have an understanding of what forever means - the bible says that he has put the desire to live forever into our hearts, i mean none of us want to die right?

Ps. 90:2 says “Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.”

Is that reasonable? Our minds cannot fully comprehend it. But that is not a sound reason for rejecting it. Consider examples: (1)*Time. No one can point to a certain moment as the beginning of time. And it is a fact that, even though our lives end, time does not. We do not reject the idea of time because there are aspects of it that we do not fully comprehend. Rather, we regulate our lives by it. (2)*Space. Astronomers find no beginning or end to space. The farther they probe into the universe, the more there is. They do not reject what the evidence shows; many refer to space as being infinite. The same principle applies to the existence of God.
Other examples: (1)*Astronomers tell us that the heat of the sun at its core is 27,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit (15,000,000°*C.). Do we reject that idea because we cannot fully comprehend such intense heat? (2)*They tell us that the size of our Milky Way is so great that a beam of light traveling at over 186,000 miles per second (300,000 km/sec) would require 100,000 years to cross it. Do our minds really comprehend such a distance? Yet we accept it because scientific evidence supports it.
Which is more reasonable—that the universe is the product of a living, intelligent Creator? or that it must have arisen simply by chance from a nonliving source without intelligent direction? Some persons adopt the latter viewpoint because to believe otherwise would mean that they would have to acknowledge the existence of a Creator whose qualities they cannot fully comprehend. But it is well known that scientists do not fully comprehend the functioning of the genes that are within living cells and that determine how these cells will grow. Nor do they fully understand the functioning of the human brain. Yet, who would deny that these exist? Should we really expect to understand everything about a Person who is so great that he could bring into existence the universe, with all its intricate design and stupendous size?

Ah, you're good! Thank you.

I do know that whilst we "know" a lot, we could be barking up the wrong tree and just feeding off our own knowledge, which was made by us in the first place. (I hope this makes sense I'm really rubbish at explaining things to anyone over the age of 3.)

Just like science can't tell us where everything came from I'm a little bit gutted that the bible doesn't either. He must have come from somewhere right? Or wrong? How can he just be? I guess to understand that I need to know what "he" is? Is he a real person? A spirit? A figment of imagination? Does no one really know?

Do JW believe in 2012?

God is a powerful spirit being.... and no we dont beleieve in 2012. No one knows when armageddon will come, the bible just describes signs so we know that it is near.....but its not a bad thing as depicted in movies etc, and its not destruction of the earth, its the removal of wickedness and to usher in Gods new world and government.

And God decides who is wicked and who is pure? Each person in the whole world, one by one?

I will stop asking questions now, although I have a million

Yes every person who ever lived will be judged, the book of Revelation (which describes the end times) says in 20:12
"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was open, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books."
Hope that helped a little

 

[madasa]

I don't get it - every religion in the world thinks their religion is the right one and everyone else is being idolatrous - if you question this they ALL say they have faith that their religion is the correct one. How does anyone know what is right? x

surely if you wholeheartedly believe in your religion and follow it because you believe what it states is gods will, come judgement day he wont penalize you if you were following the "wrong" religion? he would embrace you for living your life as you believed he wanted you too live it? well, thats i would like to think anyway

Even if that person believed that it was gods will that he strap explosives to himself and blow up ad many non believers ad possible?

Such a tolerant and forgiving god would not have condemned us all to suffering and death because if the sin of two people.... Ok I'm speculating, but am I the only person who thinks that's illogical in the extreme?

no not those people because god doesnt condone violence etc etc so those people obviously are the exception to the rule? when you get into it theres obviously an arguement to every reason you can give to why its true.

no but it all came down to the temptation? adam and eve had a choice not to give in to the temptation but they couldnt. and he warned them not to but they did anyway.

but im not sure if this is entirely right, my knowledge of the bible is fairly basic so correct me if im wrong but doesnt the world have to become such a terrible place to live in again before Jesus can come again? and then when judgement day happens people will be judged on the things they have done in there life, and will be given the choice to follow and accept god and be given eternal life?

i spent alot of time studying scriptures with mormon missionairies so im sorry if that is actually from the book of mormon and not the bible lol. its all very confusing.

God doesn't condone violence when people are doing it no. When he does it it's perfectly alright. Obviously not one for teaching by setting a good example, but you know I do try to be tolerant of other parenting methods...

 

[ShanandBoc]

They jw's say when god brings peace on earth it will be the new system. And they call this the old system. Thats how they explained it to me

So it says the pain will increase. Does that mean there was some pain already?
xx

I guess so but nowhere near as bad, and its the most natural pain you could experience, its not because anything bad is happening or your sick or anything like that, and there would be no complications either x

 

[ShanandBoc]

Some people seem to be giving ShanandBoc a bit of a hard time; She has been asked dozens of questions, all of which she has answered fully, and politely. I for one am finding it very interesting, despite not being religious.

Can I ask, regarding Adam and Eve; does their existance mean that JW's dont believe we evolved from ape's, but only Adam and Eve? And if so, was there a world before humans were around? Dinosoars etc? Why was there such a long time before humans were on the planet?

Sorry if Im being stupid

Sorry this is from a few pages back, im trying my hardest to answer peoples questions lol.......Yes we dont believe in evolution, as its not just humans then that had to have evolved, but the universe, the planet everything.

Why do we not still evolve from the apes? We are on a whole different level even to the most intelligent of animal life.

There was the earth, but the bible says it was formless and waste ( similar to many other planets i suppose) so yeh dinosaurs obviously existed....to keep vegetation down that was there at the time, but not co exisitng with other animals or humans. It was unfit for that.

Who knows why humans werent created till then, but i guess the fact that when we were created, we were created to live forever, a day to God is as a thousand years to us then his concept of time is very different to ours.

 

[ShanandBoc]

Some people seem to be giving ShanandBoc a bit of a hard time; She has been asked dozens of questions, all of which she has answered fully, and politely. I for one am finding it very interesting, despite not being religious.

Can I ask, regarding Adam and Eve; does their existance mean that JW's dont believe we evolved from ape's, but only Adam and Eve? And if so, was there a world before humans were around? Dinosoars etc? Why was there such a long time before humans were on the planet?

Sorry if Im being stupid

Since Christian and JW's believe the same about creation I believe I can answer is, but I apologize if it's not right with JW's teachings. Man was created in God's image, we were never Apes and JW's do not believe in the theory of evolution, in fact by the end of Darwin's life he renounced the theory as well
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created him."
There was a world before humans were created:
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty..."
Humans were created on the last day so there was a 7 day gap between the creation of the earth and all of it's entirety and when humans were created.

Spot on, thank you x

And also 7 days doesnt necessarily mean 7 x 24 hour days either, as someone refering to day can be a period of time etc...like when grandpa says 'back in my day' lol

 

[madasa]

I don't get it - every religion in the world thinks their religion is the right one and everyone else is being idolatrous - if you question this they ALL say they have faith that their religion is the correct one. How does anyone know what is right? x

surely if you wholeheartedly believe in your religion and follow it because you believe what it states is gods will, come judgement day he wont penalize you if you were following the "wrong" religion? he would embrace you for living your life as you believed he wanted you too live it? well, thats i would like to think anyway

Even if that person believed that it was gods will that he strap explosives to himself and blow up ad many non believers ad possible?


Such a tolerant and forgiving god would not have condemned us all to suffering and death because if the sin of two people.... Ok I'm speculating, but am I the only person who thinks that's illogical in the extreme?

once again it depends on whats in the persons heart. If thats all they knew and they thought they were doing the right thing, then they havent come to a knowledge about the truth about God. But then again, this person could just be pure evil ( and im sure some of them are) so only God knows for sure.

The suffering and death wont last forever tho, he will more than make it up to us in paradise......we will be able to enjoy the real life then.

Adam and Eves blatant disobideince even tho they had everything they wanted and more raised some serious questions.... would and can humans remain faithful even when tempted, even under trial? It challenged Gods right to rule, and this couldnt be resolved just by wiping out Adam and eve and starting again, remember thousdands of angels would have been watching, as well as the instigator, Satan. How would that have made God look, like he thought they were right?

By following the bible and Gods laws closely now, as imperfect humans with many trials and temptations, millions are proving satan a liar

Time was needed to prove once and for all, the outcome if humans were left to rule themselves. He has allowed time for us to reach our full potentials in alot of ways. But have we really progressed, does human rule fail? Are we capable of looking after the earth without his guidance? The answer is very clear. x

If his right to rule was challenged, does he rule now?

If humans evolved to a point where they could govern themselves, would Armageddon not come? Where would god stand then? From your explanation, it sounds to me like he needs us to fail to prove his supremacy. I had not considered it that way before.

Curious: what are you doing right now? Dining with sinners and tax collectors? Or making bad associations which spoil useful habits?

well no right now he doesnt rule, the bible says that the God of this system is Satan.

In revelation the bible speaks of a time that Satan was cast down to the earth and was misleading the entire inhabited earth. This was the beginning of the last days spoken of in Matthew 24. It desribes not only world events….great earthquakes, great wars, pestilences, the good news would be preached on a global scale and also the attitudes and the traits and morals of the majority of humankind would take a dive. This is described at 2 timothy chapter 3 where it says that critical times hard to deal with would be here, men would be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self – assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient, disloyal, unthankful,having no natural affection, slanderes, without slef control, fierce, without love of goodnessheadsrtong, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of Gods.

The first great war was world war 1, humankinds first ever world war in 1914. This marked the beginning of the last days. Three times as many people have died in wars in the 20th century as in all wars from the first century AD to 1899. The last century has been a period of almost unbroken war with armed conflicts going on somewhere in the world.

The bible teaches us that this is because of Satans rule and influence over the earth after he was cast from heaven Read Revelation 12:9 – “ And the great dragon was cast out, , that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which decieveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth and his angels (demons) were cast out with him”

And Revelation 12:12 – “ therefore rejoice ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhibitors of the earth and sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath a short period of time” (The last days)

1 John 5: 19 – “ And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness”

1 Peter 5:8 – “ Be sober, be vigilant, because your advesary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour”

2 Cor 4:4 – “ In whom the god of this world (speaking of Satan) hath blinded the minds of them that believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

John 12:31 – “ Now is the judgement of this world, now shall the prince (ruler) of this world be cast out”

Didnt quite understand the curious part at the end of your post.....? If you mean by speaking to people on here that im going against the fact that bad associations spoil useful habits?

Its a warning that excessive association with those who practice bad things can rub off on you, thats human nature, not that you cant speak to people who dont believe etc. I have friends that arent witnesses and family of course.....i dont get involved with them partying, drinking etc but to cut them off because of my beliefs wouldnt be setting a good example would it?

Thank you!! Your post gas clarified a couple of things that niggled me fir tears! Lol! The only bit bugging me now is: for Satan to "win" and prove that man doesn't need Gods rule, why would he gave a temper tantrum and stir up a tonne of trouble which only proves the opposite?

 

[stuffymuffy]

Some people seem to be giving ShanandBoc a bit of a hard time; She has been asked dozens of questions, all of which she has answered fully, and politely. I for one am finding it very interesting, despite not being religious.

Can I ask, regarding Adam and Eve; does their existance mean that JW's dont believe we evolved from ape's, but only Adam and Eve? And if so, was there a world before humans were around? Dinosoars etc? Why was there such a long time before humans were on the planet?

Sorry if Im being stupid

Since Christian and JW's believe the same about creation I believe I can answer is, but I apologize if it's not right with JW's teachings. Man was created in God's image, we were never Apes and JW's do not believe in the theory of evolution, in fact by the end of Darwin's life he renounced the theory as well
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created him."
There was a world before humans were created:
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty..."
Humans were created on the last day so there was a 7 day gap between the creation of the earth and all of it's entirety and when humans were created.

Spot on, thank you x

And also 7 days doesnt necessarily mean 7 x 24 hour days either, as someone refering to day can be a period of time etc...like when grandpa says 'back in my day' lol

Yes exactly, thanks for clarifying

 

[madasa]

Why do we suffer pain during childbirth. If the new system does come will we still have that pain?

If everyone lives forever will be need doctors,nurses and MW,s etc
xx

Pain in childbirth came after the fall of man, when Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:16 " To the woman he said, I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children."
I'm not sure what you mean by the new system though?
And there will be no pain and suffering when Christ comes back so, no there will be no need for medical professionals

This depends on the translation actually. Some reckon it reads "in SOREOW you will bring forth children...". Some women report low pain it even pain free births, and tribal women/women in developing countries seem to have less pain. Childbirth Without Fear by Grant Dickley-Read covers this

Back to topic!

 

[ShanandBoc]

I don't get it - every religion in the world thinks their religion is the right one and everyone else is being idolatrous - if you question this they ALL say they have faith that their religion is the correct one. How does anyone know what is right? x

surely if you wholeheartedly believe in your religion and follow it because you believe what it states is gods will, come judgement day he wont penalize you if you were following the "wrong" religion? he would embrace you for living your life as you believed he wanted you too live it? well, thats i would like to think anyway

Even if that person believed that it was gods will that he strap explosives to himself and blow up ad many non believers ad possible?


Such a tolerant and forgiving god would not have condemned us all to suffering and death because if the sin of two people.... Ok I'm speculating, but am I the only person who thinks that's illogical in the extreme?

once again it depends on whats in the persons heart. If thats all they knew and they thought they were doing the right thing, then they havent come to a knowledge about the truth about God. But then again, this person could just be pure evil ( and im sure some of them are) so only God knows for sure.

The suffering and death wont last forever tho, he will more than make it up to us in paradise......we will be able to enjoy the real life then.

Adam and Eves blatant disobideince even tho they had everything they wanted and more raised some serious questions.... would and can humans remain faithful even when tempted, even under trial? It challenged Gods right to rule, and this couldnt be resolved just by wiping out Adam and eve and starting again, remember thousdands of angels would have been watching, as well as the instigator, Satan. How would that have made God look, like he thought they were right?

By following the bible and Gods laws closely now, as imperfect humans with many trials and temptations, millions are proving satan a liar

Time was needed to prove once and for all, the outcome if humans were left to rule themselves. He has allowed time for us to reach our full potentials in alot of ways. But have we really progressed, does human rule fail? Are we capable of looking after the earth without his guidance? The answer is very clear. x

If his right to rule was challenged, does he rule now?

If humans evolved to a point where they could govern themselves, would Armageddon not come? Where would god stand then? From your explanation, it sounds to me like he needs us to fail to prove his supremacy. I had not considered it that way before.

Curious: what are you doing right now? Dining with sinners and tax collectors? Or making bad associations which spoil useful habits?

well no right now he doesnt rule, the bible says that the God of this system is Satan.

In revelation the bible speaks of a time that Satan was cast down to the earth and was misleading the entire inhabited earth. This was the beginning of the last days spoken of in Matthew 24. It desribes not only world events….great earthquakes, great wars, pestilences, the good news would be preached on a global scale and also the attitudes and the traits and morals of the majority of humankind would take a dive. This is described at 2 timothy chapter 3 where it says that critical times hard to deal with would be here, men would be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self – assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient, disloyal, unthankful,having no natural affection, slanderes, without slef control, fierce, without love of goodnessheadsrtong, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of Gods.

The first great war was world war 1, humankinds first ever world war in 1914. This marked the beginning of the last days. Three times as many people have died in wars in the 20th century as in all wars from the first century AD to 1899. The last century has been a period of almost unbroken war with armed conflicts going on somewhere in the world.

The bible teaches us that this is because of Satans rule and influence over the earth after he was cast from heaven Read Revelation 12:9 – “ And the great dragon was cast out, , that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which decieveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth and his angels (demons) were cast out with him”

And Revelation 12:12 – “ therefore rejoice ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhibitors of the earth and sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath a short period of time” (The last days)

1 John 5: 19 – “ And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness”

1 Peter 5:8 – “ Be sober, be vigilant, because your advesary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour”

2 Cor 4:4 – “ In whom the god of this world (speaking of Satan) hath blinded the minds of them that believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

John 12:31 – “ Now is the judgement of this world, now shall the prince (ruler) of this world be cast out”

Didnt quite understand the curious part at the end of your post.....? If you mean by speaking to people on here that im going against the fact that bad associations spoil useful habits?

Its a warning that excessive association with those who practice bad things can rub off on you, thats human nature, not that you cant speak to people who dont believe etc. I have friends that arent witnesses and family of course.....i dont get involved with them partying, drinking etc but to cut them off because of my beliefs wouldnt be setting a good example would it?

Thank you!! Your post gas clarified a couple of things that niggled me fir tears! Lol! The only bit bugging me now is: for Satan to "win" and prove that man doesn't need Gods rule, why would he gave a temper tantrum and stir up a tonne of trouble which only proves the opposite?

Well he has succeeded in leading many astray from the bible and God hasnt he, his influence is everywhere around us. In the end God will win, not Satan. Remeber Satan was one of his angles that rebelled as were demons so God is much more powerful.

Satan has ultimately proved the opposite yes, that seperated from God, humans are in misery.

 

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Why do we suffer pain during childbirth. If the new system does come will we still have that pain?

If everyone lives forever will be need doctors,nurses and MW,s etc
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Pain in childbirth came after the fall of man, when Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 3:16 " To the woman he said, I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children."
I'm not sure what you mean by the new system though?
And there will be no pain and suffering when Christ comes back so, no there will be no need for medical professionals

This depends on the translation actually. Some reckon it reads "in SOREOW you will bring forth children...". Some women report low pain it even pain free births, and tribal women/women in developing countries seem to have less pain. Childbirth Without Fear by Grant Dickley-Read covers this

Back to topic!

The quote I listed was from an NIV Bible, but I know that the other translations are similar if not identical. What do you mean by "in soreow you will bring forth children? I'm just curious
And I'll have to look up that book thanks, it sounds interesting.


EDIT: I looked up the book and read an exerpt, it is simply discussing ways of having a relaxed, less painful childbirth. It doesn't discuss the Bibilical aspect of how child birth became painful. But I'll still be getting it, seems like an interesting read