Jehovah's Witnesses

[Tasha]

Being told by one to have an abortion? Yet it is one of the most seriosu sins a witness can commit, its viewed as murder? Thier literature and the bible states this!

I guess with anything you dont know much about gossip and quick judgement takes place, but you might be pleasently surprised if you actually listened to the truths from the bible that they teach. Thats all they are about.

I think some facts here needed to be pointed out, and no offence to anyone

Just because they should not recommend abortion doesnt mean it doesnt happen, my MIL is a JW and my first two children she kept on and on at me to have abortions (especially with the first one), she was nasty and I did ask my OH how that worked cos like you say it is a massive sin and he didn't get either.

When Honey died, she was a living nightmare, she preached at me every time I saw her, gave me loads of leaflets and just would not leave me alone, her thoughts and beliefs just upset me when she was going into details that I didn't need to think about days after my daughter had died.

As for the knocking we use to get lots, both Jehovah's witnesses and Christian's, but my borough brought in a no cold calling policy now so they are not allowed.

 

[madasa]

You'd actually be surprised how many people DO read there bible AND go to a proper bible based teaching church.

Oh I know many DO. I've just been mildly surprised in the past by how many DON'T.

Madasa, it's not about being bad, if by bad you mean SINNER,
then we "all fall short" and we are all sinners, from the pope down.

What is the issue is that. is not the following of a religion which IS mans interpretation. BUT having a personal relationship with God. THAT is all that matters.

That is assuming that a) God exists (of which there is no solid proof to date) and b) that he wants a personal relationship with me. Assuming A is true, I'd rather keep my head down and go unnoticed, frankly.

When you realise, that you can't NOT sin but your price has been paid, THAT then is a different story.

WOOT! Why have I concerned myself with "being a good person" when the consequence for my actions has already been dealt? In fact, given that the world's only perfect man suffered and died most awfully to pay that price for me, I want the poor chap to get his money's worth. Sin City, here I come...

Seriously, since god is meant to have created us, you'd think he'd have a better understanding of human nature... Take the tree of knowledge of good and bad for example. Why not stick it somewhere safe and out of reach. Why put it right there in the garden and say "don't touch!" Most of us are parents here. We (imperfect, non-omniscient beings though we are) KNOW that leaving something out and saying to our little ones "DON'T TOUCH THAT" is pretty much guaranteeing that it is probably going to be touched. And speaking of which.... didn't JC preach that putting temptation in the way of others is in itself a sin?

 

[kiwimama]

Being told by one to have an abortion? Yet it is one of the most seriosu sins a witness can commit, its viewed as murder? Thier literature and the bible states this!

I guess with anything you dont know much about gossip and quick judgement takes place, but you might be pleasently surprised if you actually listened to the truths from the bible that they teach. Thats all they are about.

I think some facts here needed to be pointed out, and no offence to anyone

Just because they should not recommend abortion doesnt mean it doesnt happen, my MIL is a JW and my first two children she kept on and on at me to have abortions (especially with the first one), she was nasty and I did ask my OH how that worked cos like you say it is a massive sin and he didn't get either.

When Honey died, she was a living nightmare, she preached at me every time I saw her, gave me loads of leaflets and just would not leave me alone, her thoughts and beliefs just upset me when she was going into details that I didn't need to think about days after my daughter had died.

As for the knocking we use to get lots, both Jehovah's witnesses and Christian's, but my borough brought in a no cold calling policy now so they are not allowed.

That's a good policy! The worst thing I hate about people coming to my door is they ring to doorbell and wake LO up if she is sleeping.

 

[ticktock]

You are of course entitled to your own opinion and I'm not about to start an arguement here but please don't say jws are a cult, brainwashed etc

I'm a jw and a perfectly normal functioning non indoctrinated person of society. I make my own reasoned decisions and think for myself.

People wouldn't go around slating Muslims for instance as it could offend other Musims and be considered politically incorrect so I think the same should go for any beliefs etc

As someone said before, theres always some weirdos in any religion but don't tar everyone with the same brush.

As I said not here to 'preach' to anyone or start an arguement or tell anyone off just felt teensy bit uncomfortable with what you said. Anyway thats it, hope I haven't upset anyone

 

[Kitty23]

I've got no problems with anyone practising their own religions but it is offence to me when people try to come to my home and try to convert me. I just tell them I'm jewish and it tends to scare them off lol xxx

 

[Tiff]

Hello Ladies! As per forum policy talking about the aspect of abortion needs to stop.

While BabyandBump tries to remain pro-choice on most subjects, out of respect for majority of our members that are either trying to conceive, or pregnant, we ask that you do not discuss topics on abortion and terminations.

Thank you! Aside from that particular topic, feel free to keep discussing.

 

[JASMAK]

That's a good policy! The worst thing I hate about people coming to my door is they ring to doorbell and wake LO up if she is sleeping.

Totally...that goes for anyone...religious or not...ok, except the girl guide cookies! :0)

 

[ShanandBoc]

Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. This alone makes it non-Christian. To support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness theology), has even altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings

Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:

Taking verses out of their immediate context.
Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context.
Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
Changing the meanings of words.
Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
Adding to the Word of God.

Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?

Firstly the bible is gods word, so studying it and applying its laws are important, without doing so you cant have gods approval or an acceptable relationship with God, they are his standards, not mans.

And of course we are all sinners, we are imperfect, which is why Jesus gave his life, to buy back what Adam lost, as a ransom. How can you say that we deny the physical ressurection of christ? Dont know where you got that from but much of what you have stated is incorrect in regards to what JW's teach and believe.

Their teaching and beliefs are entirely bible based, the watchtower is a study aid, being purely bible based, on bible topics and continuously quoting the bible in pretty much every paragraph.

I would like to know exactly where the bible has been altered? I have a king james version of the bible as well as a new world translation in modern english ( the version we use) and they say the same thing. I can prove that in black and white, i have absolutely no doubt about that. All versions of the bible have verses that use different words here and there that mean the same thing.

To understand bible texts, you need to read surrounding verses, and also cross check where the same subject is mentioned elsewhere in the bible. We study the bible in its entirety. Not selecting certain verses and deciding what they mean, or altering it, thats false. Refusing to read in their entirety? Have never come accross this either in 30 years.

The bible encourages to not forsake the gathering of yourselves together, we have weekly meetings yes, one of those per week for the second half involves studing of the watchtower, where we constantly refer to the bible. Constantly indoctrined with anti christain teachings? When meetings and studies are purely bible based is false. Also i dont know where you get the idea from that they do our thinking for us, thats ridiculous. We are encouraged to seek out the truth, study and prove it to ourselves. Freewill is a god given human right and i have never practiced anything but. Your comments clearly indicate your lack of knowledge about JW's

And with any witness condoning anything that goes against bible laws, the fault is with the individual themselves, not the religion. Individual wrong actions are not the reflection on JW's as a whole. These individuals are doing the wrong thing.

 

[tasha41]

I love when they come to my door!

If it's a bad time for me, I politely let them know that.

But the ones that came to my house, they must have a specific area, I always got a lovely family, a man, his wife and their baby, coming by. I'm sad they don't come around anymore TBH. It's nice to have friendly people come by when you're home not doing much else. They know I am Roman Catholic but they don't push me to join their religion.. they give me their little booklet and we just talk, we both believe in God, that there is one God, that he created the universe, Earth, and everything on Earth... we just folllow slightly different directions! The main message of most religions is to love one another and help thy neighbour which is beautiful IMO... so I can't see why it's so difficult for people to get along! Even if you don't believe in God, what's wrong with that message? Love others, help others, be a good person... even if there was no heaven or 'reward' when you die for being a good person, you reap the rewards every single day... and why does a good deed need a reward anyway? It's the right thing to do

 

[ShanandBoc]

I've got no problems with anyone practising their own religions but it is offence to me when people try to come to my home and try to convert me. I just tell them I'm jewish and it tends to scare them off lol xxx

Yet, if people claim to be real followers of christ and the bible, then they would go preaching from door to door as this is what Jesus instructed us to do. To inform people about Gods coming kingdom?

The bible also says that we would be hated on account of his name.

That being said, if people ask not be called on then we are told to respect their freewill and mark them as a 'do not call' and are not suppossed to be called on again.

No one should be forced to do anything, and there is no point in being a JW unless it was of their own free will, otherwise their worship is in vain.

 

[ShanandBoc]

I love when they come to my door!

If it's a bad time for me, I politely let them know that.

But the ones that come to my house, they must have a specific area, I always get a lovely family, a man, his wife and their baby, coming by. They know I am Roman Catholic but they don't push me to join their religion.. they give me their little booklet and we just talk, we both believe in God, that there is one God, that he created the universe, Earth, and everything on Earth... we just folllow slightly different directions! The main message of most religions is to love one another and help thy neighbour which is beautiful IMO... so I can't see why it's so difficult for people to get along! Even if you don't believe in God, what's wrong with that message? Love others, help others, be a good person... even if there was no heaven or 'reward' when you die for being a good person, you reap the rewards every single day... and why does a good deed need a reward anyway? It's the right thing to do

I agree, its unacceptable to be be rude to anyone because of their religion, you are to love your neighbour as yourself, so JW's are only trying to help people and practice this very commandment

 

[ShanandBoc]

On the subject of 144,000 - this is a specific number

Revelation then goes on to speak of a great crowd which no man was able to number that come through the great tribulation ( armageddon)

So the fact that such a specific number was mentioned, and not just thousands or a great crowd, indicates that this is a literal number.

These ones will be part of a government (Gods Kingdom) that will rule over a paradise earth from heaven, along with Jesus and Jehovah God.

 

[suzanne108]

That's a good policy! The worst thing I hate about people coming to my door is they ring to doorbell and wake LO up if she is sleeping.

Totally...that goes for anyone...religious or not...ok, except the girl guide cookies! :0)

Yes these 2 lovely JWs woke my LO up which annoyed me. But 10 minutes earlier my sexy postman woke her up delivering a toy I'd bought for her.....wasn't quite s annoyed with him!

Seriously though....its because the postman had good reason for knocking and permission almost with his parcel.

 

[ShanandBoc]

It quote a fact that the bible states, that ..Jesus is the way the truth and the light, and no one comes to the father except through him, whom ever believes in jesus though he where dead SHALL NEVER DIE.

its actually though he lives, shall never die.

That is Gods original purpose, that humans were to live forever, on the perfect earth he created for us. and those who are practicing true worship and are abiding by Gods laws and standards to the best of their ability as imperfect humans at the time of armageddon will be part of the first generation that nver have to die, these are the 'great crowd' that come through the great tribulation.... then the ressurection of both the righteous and unrighteous will take place.

Remember Ecclesiasties states( sorry cant recall the exact chapter and verse as im at work atm) that "the living are concious that they will die, as for the dead they are concious of nothing at all", so once we die, until armageddon, when God restores us to perfection and the earth to paradise, this is the state of dead.

 

[Tessa]

they saw me through the window though so couldn't ignore them!

Regardless if someone saw me through the window or not...
I reserve the right to NOT open my door! There is no law that says I must.

If I don't know or reconginze you, then I wont open the door.
And even then, your real lucky if I do!! lol

 

[taperjeangirl]

i send my OH to the door if they knock, he seems to find alot of enjoyment questioning them about their religion, and giving them good valid reasons as to why its a load of rubbish!
He always talks to Mormons in the street too, for the same enjoyment!

No offence to anyone, I just dont believe in god

 

[Blah11]

I don't like people cold calling or knocking on my door tbh. If I wanted to get into religion I'd do it myself, same goes for changing TV/Broadband subscription, gas/electricity and local MP campaigns.
I don't believe in God anyway and nothing anyone will say will convince me.

 

[Blah11]

omg the Romani Gypsies are THE worse. Once when I was preg with amelie i was walking to the bus stop in town and one of them came right up to me and shoved a piece of heather wrapped up in tin foil and said I had touched it so it's bound to me and I need to pay for it or my baby would be doomed Not very nice.

 

[taperjeangirl]

oh i hate them too I didnt buy something off them in town one day and they said someone I love would die a long death

ARSEHOLES!!

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

i send my OH to the door if they knock, he seems to find alot of enjoyment questioning them about their religion, and giving them good valid reasons as to why its a load of rubbish!
He always talks to Mormons in the street too, for the same enjoyment!

No offence to anyone, I just dont believe in god

Its the same here really. I dont mind but I have told them not to call and they still do. Always at inconvenient times too.