Kate McCann releasing a book...

[Jem_x3]

Surely if she died by accident they'd tell someone? Surely she must of died before they went to dinner, so they would of been there. Which doesn't tie in with the theory they didn't tell anyone because they were afraid of the backlash of leaving her alone? If she happened to fall and hurt herself or whatever surely they'd call someone for help or they'd let someone know. Just because they're doctors doesn't automatically mean they would of lost their jobs or respect sadly kids have accidents and it would make much more sense to try and get her some medical help instead of just dump her like she didn't mean anything to them. And then to clean the apartment and stage an abduction. Excuse me for being so morbid but it's just something I cannot get my head around

 

[Samemka]

It doesnt help that they answer with 'no comment' and they refuse to do things and come up with really crap excuses.. Maybe people wouldnt suspect it is them if they werent so reluctant to help.

Totally agree.

Here are the questions for anyone who hasn't seen them

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...uestions-Kate-McCann-wouldnt-answer--did.html

I would love to see her pinned down & forced to answer why the hell she didn't answer any questions, but I think I know the answer myself. Suppose that sounds harsh but there's no way she's ever going to answer that question. Until about question 39 the questions aren't even loaded. Those questions are trying to establish what happened & her refusal to answer them speaks volumes.

 

[Tasha]

I dont think they killed her. I dont think they have it in them as ppl. and if they want to raise funds. why not sell ur lovely big home, that we all helped pay for!!! when the money was supposed to be goin to search for Maddie and they used it for mortgage payments when they werent working,. well id love a big house like theres. so downsize to a modest house.

I dont think anyone thinks they murdered her

it was suggested they killed her with seditives. but i dnt think this is d case

Accidentaly though.

 

[LoraLoo]

I dont think they killed her. I dont think they have it in them as ppl. and if they want to raise funds. why not sell ur lovely big home, that we all helped pay for!!! when the money was supposed to be goin to search for Maddie and they used it for mortgage payments when they werent working,. well id love a big house like theres. so downsize to a modest house.

I dont think anyone thinks they murdered her

On that Pat Brown, Criminal profiler link she mentions the possiblity quite a bit.

I dont think any of us on here do though? xx We should build our own Crime Team Not that any of it is a laughing matter But I think we have put more together on this thread than the Police ever have

 

[LoraLoo]

Surely if she died by accident they'd tell someone? Surely she must of died before they went to dinner, so they would of been there. Which doesn't tie in with the theory they didn't tell anyone because they were afraid of the backlash of leaving her alone? If she happened to fall and hurt herself or whatever surely they'd call someone for help or they'd let someone know. Just because they're doctors doesn't automatically mean they would of lost their jobs or respect sadly kids have accidents and it would make much more sense to try and get her some medical help instead of just dump her like she didn't mean anything to them. And then to clean the apartment and stage an abduction. Excuse me for being so morbid but it's just something I cannot get my head around

Its hard to get your head round, but funny that the 'blood' dog found blood in the same place as the 'coprse' dog did? If she was sedated and drowsy she may have fallen and banged her head eg. The parents wouldnt want it coming out that they had drugged her in a postmortme. Not saying thats what happened, just saying anything is possible really x

 

[Tasha]

I only read up to page 55 but I find it very very hard to believe that they could have found her accidently dead... and then been calculated enough to move her, clean the apartment etc.... thank god Ive never lost my son but if something happened and I did find him no way would I be in the right frame of mind to do anything like that.

I know they had their 2 other children (maybe I don't understand coz my other baby isnt here yet I guess), their careers etc... but they're still the poor girls parents at the end of the day :shurgs:

I dunno I find it very hard to believe they had anything to do with it BUT I don't have any sympathy for them by the same count... I only have sympathy for Maddie.

But then they arent like you Linzi, you wouldnt (I imagine) be more interested in going out for dinner with your friends that looking after you LO's. One of the links says that is narissitic behaviour

 

[Tasha]

I dont think any of us on here do though? xx We should build our own Crime Team Not that any of it is a laughing matter But I think we have put more together on this thread than the Police ever have

LOL. I think we should too. Seriously though, I actually think the police are well aware of this all, but the media in the UK refuses to report it all. I bet the media in Portugal was much more open with this stuff

 

[Linzi]

I only read up to page 55 but I find it very very hard to believe that they could have found her accidently dead... and then been calculated enough to move her, clean the apartment etc.... thank god Ive never lost my son but if something happened and I did find him no way would I be in the right frame of mind to do anything like that.

I know they had their 2 other children (maybe I don't understand coz my other baby isnt here yet I guess), their careers etc... but they're still the poor girls parents at the end of the day :shurgs:

I dunno I find it very hard to believe they had anything to do with it BUT I don't have any sympathy for them by the same count... I only have sympathy for Maddie.

But then they arent like you Linzi, you wouldnt (I imagine) be more interested in going out for dinner with your friends that looking after you LO's. One of the links says that is narissitic behaviour

I know. I would never leave him like that no way. Id never leave ANY child, regardless of weather its my own or not.

Just the thought of someone finding their child dead and then going about something like that makes me sick... I just can't imagine why.. how.. I dunno it just makes no sense. When you're a parent you have that bond don't you... you've made the baby, carried it, gave birth... you'd do anything to protect it...

I just can't understand or get my head around it. Id like to think that no one is capeable of that with their own child but I dont know. Maybe thats obscuring my view of it, I dont want to believe that someone would be capeable if you know what I mean...

 

[Tasha]

I only read up to page 55 but I find it very very hard to believe that they could have found her accidently dead... and then been calculated enough to move her, clean the apartment etc.... thank god Ive never lost my son but if something happened and I did find him no way would I be in the right frame of mind to do anything like that.

I know they had their 2 other children (maybe I don't understand coz my other baby isnt here yet I guess), their careers etc... but they're still the poor girls parents at the end of the day :shurgs:

I dunno I find it very hard to believe they had anything to do with it BUT I don't have any sympathy for them by the same count... I only have sympathy for Maddie.

But then they arent like you Linzi, you wouldnt (I imagine) be more interested in going out for dinner with your friends that looking after you LO's. One of the links says that is narissitic behaviour

I know. I would never leave him like that no way. Id never leave ANY child, regardless of weather its my own or not.

Just the thought of someone finding their child dead and then going about something like that makes me sick... I just can't imagine why.. how.. I dunno it just makes no sense. When you're a parent you have that bond don't you... you've made the baby, carried it, gave birth... you'd do anything to protect it...

I just can't understand or get my head around it. Id like to think that no one is capeable of that with their own child but I dont know. Maybe thats obscuring my view of it, I dont want to believe that someone would be capeable if you know what I mean...

Yes, I know what you mean. It is too sick for you to even contemplate as a possiblity.

 

[Samemka]

Surely if she died by accident they'd tell someone? Surely she must of died before they went to dinner, so they would of been there. Which doesn't tie in with the theory they didn't tell anyone because they were afraid of the backlash of leaving her alone? If she happened to fall and hurt herself or whatever surely they'd call someone for help or they'd let someone know. Just because they're doctors doesn't automatically mean they would of lost their jobs or respect sadly kids have accidents and it would make much more sense to try and get her some medical help instead of just dump her like she didn't mean anything to them. And then to clean the apartment and stage an abduction. Excuse me for being so morbid but it's just something I cannot get my head around

I don't think there would have been a backlash because everyone in their party had done the same thing.

I find the whole timing things very difficult to get my head around too. But something just doesn't sit right about the whole situation. If there had been an accident & she'd have died, I'm convinced they would have been charged.....what with, I don't know.

I know where you are coming from, I've said the exact same things....whilst I don't believe she was abducted because there's so much that doesn't tie up, I can't believe they managed to hide it all, move her body etc etc etc even in say a couple of hours, without any of their friends picking up something wasn't right. If I found my daughter dead I wouldn't think to cover it up (But then, I wouldn't refuse to answer 30 odd questions which could help to find her either, unless I had something to hide.) As somene has suggested though, maybe there's a lot more sinister things going on here which meant they had no option.

 

[Linzi]

what if one of their party did it? or found her & covered it up?

 

[AppleBlossom]

It is a sick thing to imagine. But look at Baby P for example. The horrendous things done to him that his own mother knew about but didn't stop. Some people are just sicknin the head and until they're found out, they can go on living like nothing is wrong and nobody suspects they are capable of such a thing

 

[Jem_x3]

Surely if she died by accident they'd tell someone? Surely she must of died before they went to dinner, so they would of been there. Which doesn't tie in with the theory they didn't tell anyone because they were afraid of the backlash of leaving her alone? If she happened to fall and hurt herself or whatever surely they'd call someone for help or they'd let someone know. Just because they're doctors doesn't automatically mean they would of lost their jobs or respect sadly kids have accidents and it would make much more sense to try and get her some medical help instead of just dump her like she didn't mean anything to them. And then to clean the apartment and stage an abduction. Excuse me for being so morbid but it's just something I cannot get my head around

I don't think there would have been a backlash because everyone in their party had done the same thing.

I find the whole timing things very difficult to get my head around too. But something just doesn't sit right about the whole situation. If there had been an accident & she'd have died, I'm convinced they would have been charged.....what with, I don't know.

I know where you are coming from, I've said the exact same things....whilst I don't believe she was abducted because there's so much that doesn't tie up, I can't believe they managed to hide it all, move her body etc etc etc even in say a couple of hours, without any of their friends picking up something wasn't right. If I found my daughter dead I wouldn't think to cover it up (But then, I wouldn't refuse to answer 30 odd questions which could help to find her either, unless I had something to hide.) As somene has suggested though, maybe there's a lot more sinister things going on here which meant they had no option.

Absolutely This thread has definitely opened my eyes. So much doesn't add up at all.. the theory she died by accident doesn't add up, the abduction doesn't add her, the fact all her friends could of known doesn't add up. So what the hell is the truth? It's utterly baffling. I wish we had answers. That little girl deserves so much more than this. She deserves to be rested at peace and have justice if that's what the situation calls for. I cannot for the life of me work out what's true and what's not and I can't begin to think of what must of happened. CONFUSED

 

[Every Rose]

I only read up to page 55 but I find it very very hard to believe that they could have found her accidently dead... and then been calculated enough to move her, clean the apartment etc.... thank god Ive never lost my son but if something happened and I did find him no way would I be in the right frame of mind to do anything like that.

I know they had their 2 other children (maybe I don't understand coz my other baby isnt here yet I guess), their careers etc... but they're still the poor girls parents at the end of the day :shurgs:

I dunno I find it very hard to believe they had anything to do with it BUT I don't have any sympathy for them by the same count... I only have sympathy for Maddie.

This is something I agree with. When we lost our son the hospital wouldn't let us see his body because they said it would upset us. They took him away. But when we went on to lose our daughter we were allowed to hold her until she died and keep her with us afterwards. In the end DH said it was time to let them take her but I wanted to keep her with me forever. I let her go because I knew where she would be until we were allowed to bury her with her brother and I was able to visit her. But all the same, I was very upset when she was taken away, very distressed that I couldn't keep her with me.

I don't think I could have allowed anyone to take her and hide her and then pull myself together enough to put on an act for friends and other holiday makers and waiters and hotel staff and then the police and then the media and keep that going. To bury her in a foreign country in a grave I couldn't visit or throw her into the sea.

I couldn't have done that for anything, certainly not to save my career even if I had had other children to consider at the time. Not in any amount of time. If they had hours or minutes or all night and all day to hide her and put on the front necessary to try and pull of a fake kidnapping I doubt could have made a success of it when all I wanted as a mother was to hold my child's body for just a little longer before I said goodbye. I don't know if they could do it either.

 

[Jem_x3]

what if one of their party did it? or found her & covered it up?

I thought of this for a while but then I read about the family that saw Gerry Mccan walking along holding a little girl of Maddie's description. They even described the pyjamas she was wearing and the trousers Gerry was wearing. And the fact his holdall was missing. But again I can't understand the timing, what happened where and when and argh. It's so bizarre. And it's creepy aswell.. how can a little girl who was so beautiful and so precious just disappear? No solid evidence, no nothing?

 

[AppleBlossom]

^^ exactly. People don't just disappear.

 

[LoraLoo]

I only read up to page 55 but I find it very very hard to believe that they could have found her accidently dead... and then been calculated enough to move her, clean the apartment etc.... thank god Ive never lost my son but if something happened and I did find him no way would I be in the right frame of mind to do anything like that.

I know they had their 2 other children (maybe I don't understand coz my other baby isnt here yet I guess), their careers etc... but they're still the poor girls parents at the end of the day :shurgs:

I dunno I find it very hard to believe they had anything to do with it BUT I don't have any sympathy for them by the same count... I only have sympathy for Maddie.

This is something I agree with. When we lost our son the hospital wouldn't let us see his body because they said it would upset us. They took him away. But when we went on to lose our daughter we were allowed to hold her until she died and keep her with us afterwards. In the end DH said it was time to let them take her but I wanted to keep her with me forever. I let her go because I knew where she would be until we were allowed to bury her with her brother and I was able to visit her. But all the same, I was very upset when she was taken away, very distressed that I couldn't keep her with me.

I don't think I could have allowed anyone to take her and hide her and then pull myself together enough to put on an act for friends and other holiday makers and waiters and hotel staff and then the police and then the media and keep that going. To bury her in a foreign country in a grave I couldn't visit or throw her into the sea.

I couldn't have done that for anything, certainly not to save my career even if I had had other children to consider at the time. Not in any amount of time. If they had hours or minutes or all night and all day to hide her and put on the front necessary to try and pull of a fake kidnapping I doubt could have made a success of it when all I wanted as a mother was to hold my child's body for just a little longer before I said goodbye. I don't know if they could do it either.

But then we wouldnt leave our babys on their own all night, we arent like Kate and Gerry. And i know i feel guilt over Eves death, yet these two dont feel guilt over Maddie. I woudnt class them as 'average' people like me and you, iykwim. I do agree with you though, when we had to leave Eve, I begged the lady in the Mortuary to look after her, when she walked away with her, my heart broke even more Its so hard to understand, but people do kill their own children (accidently or not, and they do dispose of their bodys) Maybe they just werent thinking straight, panicked, were in shock. Maybe they regret it no, but its too late?

 

[LoraLoo]

what if one of their party did it? or found her & covered it up?

I think its a possibility. There was concerns over one member of the party. What if he offered to check on the children? What if he did something horrible to her, but she woke up and saw him? And he couldnt risk it getting out? Again, i think its highly unlikely. But possible. x

 

[AppleBlossom]

The thing is, if she was abducted for whatever reason be it trafficking or just someone who wanted a child, her case was high profile all over the world. If someone had taken her they could never walk the streets with her, take her out anywhere, because if someone saw her they would recognise her. Therefore, had she been abducted, I don't believe she is still alive. From whatever angle I look at it, I do think she is dead. Which, in hindsight, might be the best case scenario given what she may have endured otherwise

 

[Jem_x3]

Maybe they paid someone to take her? It was suggested they wanted to give her to someone else in England. That could explain the "they've taken her" saga. But wouldn't explain the reaction of the sniffer dogs