Kate McCann releasing a book...

[PurpleElly]

Hey girls
Not posted on this board very often - just joined a few weeks ago.
I started reading the beginning of the thread, then made my way to the end of the thread.
I'm glad to see there's other girls with a healthy, questioning mind, and some others that look beyond what's presented to them in the press (and read further).
Not sure what other vids have been posted earlier in the thread, but here's a couple of recent ones - particularly answering discrepancies in her book.
I agree with so many of the posts on here, disputing their allegations of abduction - when the official files contradict that claim, and the evidence of the dogs etc suggest Madeleine tragically died in their appartment. I guess even Gerry technically isn't lying when he says there's no 'evidence' she's dead - because the DNA evidence wasn't conclusive enough, or they'd have been charged. DNA samples found at the spots where cadaver odour was identified. On the subject of 'no evidence she's come to harm', that really pisses me off, cos in the event even that the abduction scenario was true, she'd have been harmed by being left alone, then harmed by being abducted then harmed by her abductor - even a 'benign' one - what a fantasy, eh?!!
The more I read recently, especially in the interviews about the book, the more I see it. I believe that obviously, some aspects of the book will be true - their feelings - because basing it on the assumption she has died, then they will been grieving. Their language is ambiguous - they say 'taken' a lot of the time - which besides being their shorthand for being abducted, is also a euphemism for passing away, which means it's easier for them to not lie when talking to the press. Also, their descriptions of what happened - being immobilised for the first few days, and acting in grief (I think it's the Vanity Fair interview, you can find in on the McCann Files website) describes that. To me, that's the difference - if they knew she was dead, they would be grieving and unable to function, whereas if one of my pets was even missing, I become hysterical until I find them (I'm still TTC, no beautiful kids yet).
Oh, I'm not allowed to post web links, as I've not posted often enough, so search on You-tube for discrepancies in Kate McCann's book.
Elly x

 

[AppleBlossom]

Buttonnose, I don't think the McCann's have ever said that people who don't believe them are heartless, it's their "loyal followers" that say things like that

 

[buttonnose82]

Buttonnose, I don't think the McCann's have ever said that people who don't believe them are heartless, it's their "loyal followers" that say things like that

I know hun, I was replying to Char&Bump-x ..... I should have quoted but Little Man was having a mini diva lol

 

[nikkip75]

I believe the McCann's and have never said anyone that doesn't believe them is heartless

I believe them because I go on my gut instinct and also I don't believe they have anything too gain by lying. I understand that there is alot of 'evidence' that points to them being involved but I don't personally feel the 'evidence' is valid enough for me too believe they did it.

sorry can't post more right now as baby crying ..... well try come back though

What buttonnose said (the middle bit but can't highlight because I'm on my phone)

I not sure I actually believe the abductor story so much now though. I actually think that she's just woke up got out of bed and gone wandering out of the apartment and either been picked up by someone or fell down one of those holes from the road works people have mentioned. I will probably be shot down because of this now but that's just my opinion

 

[AppleBlossom]

Don't see why you should be shot down Nikki, you're entitled to your opinion as much as we are

 

[nikkip75]

To be honest AB that's what it feels like. Anyway I'm not coming back on this thread because it's doing my head in!

I'm going to bury my head in the sand and live in my fantasy world

 

[Jem_x3]

Nikki they are both plausible alternatives You won't be shot down for your opinion because we're all entitled. Infact I have respect for everyone that's come into this thread and been able to put their views across in a mature way. Hence why this thread isn't closed and has so many viewers. It's incredibly interesting and lovely to be able to talk about a subject in depth with people who either do or don't share your opinion

 

[LoraLoo]

It's really beginning to bug me that the people who come on and say they believe the McCanns, and that we are heartless etc for not believing them have no reason WHY they believe them. The only thing pointing to abduction is the McCann's words. On the other hand there IS evidence of other theories, yet we're heartless to listen to that evidence.

Perhaps the next person to post who does believe them could explain why?

Coudln't agree more. Its not a problem if people want to air their views, but just to randomly pop in and say 'I believe them, you're all wrong' then not have anything else to add to the thread is a bit pointless really. Id love to see some facts pointing towards an abductor as so far i've not been able to find any. (Im not being sarcastic btw, i actually would like to know if there are any!)

I'm sorry I know this is totally off topic, but every time I see your signature Nut Shake it makes me go all gooey lol, your babys are so beautiful x

 

[AppleBlossom]

Lol fair enough

 

[Quackquack99]

I believe the McCann's and have never said anyone that doesn't believe them is heartless

I believe them because I go on my gut instinct and also I don't believe they have anything too gain by lying. I understand that there is alot of 'evidence' that points to them being involved but I don't personally feel the 'evidence' is valid enough for me too believe they did it.

sorry can't post more right now as baby crying ..... well try come back though

I agree the evidence isn't valid enough or else I think the authority would have looked further into this. But the evidence of abduction just doesn't seem feasible to me anymore. I'm not basing my thoughts on the situation by how Kate and Gerry have reacted because I know when I suffered a bad loss it took me a couple of weeks to cry. I guess that was shock

 

[Nut_Shake]

Ahh thanks LoraLoo. They are a funny little pair xx

 

[Tasha]

nikki I think that is a possiblity, especially if she had fallen and hurt herself (explaining the blood), it would be natural for her to want to go and look for her Mummy and Daddy.

The only thing it doesnt explain is the dog smelling corpse

 

[indy and lara]

I haven't really seen people saying that the McCanns are heartless but this thread is so long that I may have missed them!!! It has nothing to do with heartless or not for me. I have just never been convinced one way or the other that they are guilty but the conspiracy theories really turn me off. I don't go along with the notion of the McCanns being able to pull all these strings. I think that one of the tapas couples would have cracked by now if they had known- the more people know a secret the harder it is to keep it. As I have said before, I am just not a fan of conspiracy theories, regardless of the topic.

I believe that leaving Madeleine alone was irresponsible and inexcusable. Whatever has happened Madeleine is the one who paid the ultimate price. If she was abducted then the McCanns too are suffering hugely for both the loss of their daughter and the guilt that their actions made the abduction possible. If Madeleine died in an accident then they will also be grieving and no doubt feeling guilty for their part in hiding her body.

I have never made my mind up one way or the other about the case but there are some things I am sure about. I don't however believe that the McCanns involved their child in paedophilia/ sexual abuse. I don't think that they cut up her body to dispose of it. If they were involved in Madeleine's death then I do think it was an accident due to sedatives or a fall and bumped head that they subsequently covered up. No, I haven't gone looking for evidence to back up my thoughts- they are a mixture of things I have read and my own instinct.

I think that the McCanns are quite unlikeable people. I think we look at them and think 'What on earth were you doing?' They are intelligent, educated, medical professionals- how on earth did they think it was okay to leave their children unsupervised at night? They also seem to be quite controlled and cold- although they have cried they have not really showed the depth of their emotions, guilt or feelings. I think to a certain extent people are suspicious of this because they don't think this is how bereaved parents act. Their lack of emotion is not an issue for me as I watched my husband act differently from me when we lost Bobo and also as doctors, their medical training will mean that they have learned to mask their emotions/feelings and put on a public 'face'.

People chose to donate money to the McCanns' appeal but for me that doesn't mean that the McCanns should do a lie detector test. I don't think that the result, whichever way it went would be enough to persuade people of their guilt or innocence. They gave because they believed in the cause and wanted to help. Yes they paid off their mortgage but would the McCanns have been able to keep the case as high profile if they had both gone back to work? Probably not. I would imagine that was their reasoning for paying off the mortgage? I don't know but I am sure someone will! It is not a cause that I donated to so I never paid that much attention to what the money was to be used for.

You have asked me to explain why I 'defend' the McCanns and these are my reasons. I actually don't think I do defend them, I just like to try to put a different perspective out there or a different reason why certain events/ reactions happened. I have been posting on this thread from the beginning but I don't feel need the need to post constantly, maybe that is why people feel that people 'pop in' to disagree but I am actually here all the time!

 

[TattiesMum]

I believe the McCann's and have never said anyone that doesn't believe them is heartless

I believe them because I go on my gut instinct and also I don't believe they have anything too gain by lying. I understand that there is alot of 'evidence' that points to them being involved but I don't personally feel the 'evidence' is valid enough for me too believe they did it.

sorry can't post more right now as baby crying ..... well try come back though

What buttonnose said (the middle bit but can't highlight because I'm on my phone)

I not sure I actually believe the abductor story so much now though. I actually think that she's just woke up got out of bed and gone wandering out of the apartment and either been picked up by someone or fell down one of those holes from the road works people have mentioned. I will probably be shot down because of this now but that's just my opinion

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion Hon And what's more it's what I believed when it actually happened... it always made far more sense than an abductor snatching her from her bedroom

What changed my mind was the dogs and the DNA ... I just can't believe that those dogs, which have never been wrong before or since, repeatedly mis-alerted just on this one case

Here are the video links that PurpleElly mentioned ... (one of them is the one I posted earlier) ... their creator is working on more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjORvUj8G3U&feature=player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbpJeioLQHE&feature=player_embedded

 

[Jem_x3]

I'd just like to say plenty of kids are missing in the world and they still have to go back to work and pay their mortgages just like anyone. Their children's cases aren't being as highly publicised either. The McCanns are using the media to their advantage and I think it's unfair on all the other innocent kids out there who have gone missing.

I also don't agree on the sexual abuse theory, but that's what it was. A theory which is what alot of this thread is about. I also think they should be feeling a little bit more than just guilt if they did hide their child's body. And if it is so they need to rot in hell.

Either way I think we can all agree that Madeleine deserves justice, no matter what has happened

 

[Tasha]

Does any think it possible that she fell down the stairs and landed on the flowerbed, Kate found her and carried her up the stairs to better light, and the first place avaliable was behind the sofa, this explains the smell in the flower bed, the blood and smell behind the sofa, and why her clothes smelt too. When she realised that she was dead, she ran to the Tapas bar, and this is where Gerry took over, took Maddie away (explaining the Smith's sighting), and then I dont know what happens but just a thought.

Also, I am not saying I believe this, just curious.

 

[LoraLoo]

'There was no evidence to support our involvement'

 

[PurpleElly]

Does any think it possible that she fell down the stairs and landed on the flowerbed, Kate found her and carried her up the stairs to better light, and the first place avaliable was behind the sofa, this explains the smell in the flower bed, the blood and smell behind the sofa, and why her clothes smelt too. When she realised that she was dead, she ran to the Tapas bar, and this is where Gerry took over, took Maddie away (explaining the Smith's sighting), and then I dont know what happens but just a thought.

Also, I am not saying I believe this, just curious.

It's possible, I suppose - I've always wondered, given Eddie the dog alerted to cadaver odour in the flower bed, I think, how the smell ended up there. Either that or her the body was hidden there temporarily, before the alert was given by Kate?

 

[purpledahlia]

Tasha, yeh it is a possibility i guess! makes sense aswell, I dont believe they left the doors unlocked, but if they had i absoloutely think Maddie could have walked outside herself....

(i think they had to say the doors were unlocked because the window story wasnt working)

Also, im not sure ALL the tapas 7 are in on it, as someone said the more people know a secret the harder it is to keep, so some of them maybe genuinely think shes been 'taken'... but that david payne is bugging me, i think he knows something.

 

[PurpleElly]

exactly.

Its odd they jumped straight to "shes been taken".

I find her running back to the restaurant strange as well. If i went into Rivers room and she wasnt there i would be screaming her name so loud the whole street would here

Yup! Me too! And the twins STILL remained asleep even when people came into the room, are we supposed to believe everyone kept their voices down & stayed calm so as not to wake them? This is what suggests to me they'd been sedated.

i agree