Kate McCann releasing a book...

[odd_socks]

IF they did harm her, should the other kids be getting some kind of protection?

 

[Samemka]

The McCann's were, and still are, heavily protected by the government over here. If the McCann's don't want to co-operate and re-open the investigation then they have full backing not to by a lot of people in high places. Plus they have employed a number of top lawyers who of course, would defend their right not to

They seem to know EXACTLY what to say too. I'd never thought about their repeated 'there is no evidence to suggest Madeline has come to any harm' comments but that's basically their way out of being charged for anything. Without evidence suggesting she had come to hard they could not be charged. It's basically legal speak & don't they know it.

What pisses me off is because theres no solid evidence they get away scot free. I say scot free because I don't believe she was snatched. If she was, then yes, they'd have the endless torment of not knowing where she is....but with torment I'd imagine would come horrendous guilt & they don't show a scrap of that. I think they know what happened to her so there's no uncertainty or guilt resulting from that. I've looked at a hell of a lot of stuff relating to this over the past day & instead of guilt I'd say they come across as being more defiant. They don't think they did anything wrong. If you can't hold your hands up when your child has been supposidely abducted & ADMIT you were wrong then come on.....you're just trying to shift the blame onto someone else (an abductor).

 

[Samemka]

IF they did harm her, should the other kids be getting some kind of protection?

No, because there's no proof she has been harmed.

 

[AppleBlossom]

Sam, if you watch any of their interviews with scrutiny, you'll notice that they take turns in speaking but in a way that sounds almost scripted.

 

[EmziixBo0o]

on a link somebody posted of sky evidance, that email.. why didnt nobody look into that + turn up? with some under cover officers?

 

[LoraLoo]

Every Rose the sedation thing is only one theory. Maybe Maddie had a reation to the sedatives and the twins didnt? Maybe Maddie was playing up that night and the twins werent? Theres all sorts of possibilities really.

I think maybe people are directing their anger towards Kate because, as Mothers, we can put ourselves in her situation. But I dont think any of us would leave our children like they did

I dont think she is alive, not with the Sniffer dogs detecting a body had been in there

 

[Every Rose]

Every Rose the sedation thing is only one theory. Maybe Maddie had a reation to the sedatives and the twins didnt? Maybe Maddie was playing up that night and the twins werent? Theres all sorts of possibilities really.

I think maybe people are directing their anger towards Kate because, as Mothers, we can put ourselves in her situation. But I dont think any of us would leave our children like they did

I dont think she is alive, not with the Sniffer dogs detecting a body had been in there

That's true.

It's odd because I don't know a lot about the case. At the time it happened we had only recently lost our first LO and I was in that bubble you go into where you are almost oblivious to anything else that's going on in the world.

I remember I must have been in an angry stage because I was furious when I heard it on the news. I was thinking "How can people like them have three children when they don't look after them and I can't have mine when I would never have left him like that?" But then I shut down to the details and haven't really read anything about them since.

I don't feel that anger towards them now. I agree a lot of the information I have read here makes me more suspicious of them now but I just don't know what to think about them. Kala said they may be cold people and that is the impression I have of them too. Other than that, I just hope that one day someone will find the key that unlocks the mystery because if she really was taken then they need their answers and their closure and if they are guilty of harming her they need to face the consequences.

 

[Samemka]

I don't really know what to think about all this.

I feel very sorry for Madeleine and I can't honestly say I think she is alive right now.

I do feel sympathy for the McCanns as a family. But I understand why people are objecting to their decision being called a mistake when it was a planned and apparently repeated action to leave the children alone.

I will never understand why any of the parents in their group decided it would be okay to leave the children alone, even if they did check on them throughout the night. And that is something that I feel is overlooked. It wasn't just Kate who left children. She and Gerry chose to leave their three children, not just Kate, but there were other parents in the group who made the same choice and whose children didn't disappear and who aren't hated or the object of calls to have them prosecuted. Someone said that when the twins grow up Kate and Gerry might get their comeuppence but there are other children growing up who could easily have been taken in Madeleine's place whose parents might 'deserve' the same 'comeuppence' but aren't experiencing this because they were the lucky ones who got away with a bad decision (to put it at its kindest).

Yet people tend to vilify Kate above anybody else. If was assume Madeleine was taken by a stranger and the McCanns have no more knowledge than the rest of us then I fully understand why Kate would write this book. She is the figure of most people's hate and she is Madeleine's mother. I'd write any amount of books to try and raise money to get my child back. I can understand why she has done this. Many people are aware of Madeleine but time is passing, the search can't continue without money and some people are starting to forget. Kate will have known that reigniting interest in the case might help Madeleine but she would also have known that it would reignite this debate about their possible guilt, the theories, the accusations and the hate. I wouldn't want that attention if I had something to hide but if I was innocent and desperate for news of my child I would take it all without question.

I was under the impression that they could easily see their apartments and that those apartments were just over a small courtyard (thanks Kala for providing the link to show just how far away they were and how much was really between them.)

But even if they could easily see and reach them I don't think it was a good idea. After all, if you are having a meal with friends you are not going to be staring at your apartment all the time, you will be looking away, chatting, talking to waiters, looking at your plate, going to the toilet and a hundred other things to take your eyes and your mind off watching the apartment.

Plus, even if you were staring right at the apartment, you would have no idea what was going on inside with three very small children.

It's not a decision I could ever see myself making, not once, not twice, not ever.

I also didn't realise that they had left the children alone the night before and that has shocked me.

But now I know that I am a bit confused about the overdose theory. If they had realised that two of the three children had been distressed and frightened and they intended to medicate them, wouldn't they medicate them all? And if that was the case, and they mistakenly both gave Madeleine a dose of something, wouldn't they also have given the twins a repeat dose as well? And the twins were smaller and so surely more likely to overdose and die.

Also if someone took Madeleine there are lots of reasons why they might chose her above the twins or not take all three of them. Unfortunately it's the fact that they chose her that makes me think she isn't alive any more.

It would be easier to take one child than two or three children for a start

There is a small chance someone saw Madeleine and wanted her to raise as their own, she looked like a lovely and charming little girl. But it would be far easier to take one of the twins if you were longing for a child to pass off as your own (or as recently adopted) than to take a child just short of four years of age, who would remember her 'other' family and her name etc for much longer. So I think if that were the reason then it would be one of the twins that had been taken.

But if it was someone who wanted to harm or abuse her, perhaps taking her to order, then I think she was the most likely to be taken. The twins were so young and I know that some sick people do abuse children that young I wonder if some would find them too young and Madeleine was the 'right' age, sick as that makes me feel, not too young but not too old. It's sick and I feel ill at the thought that someone would think a child of almost four was the 'right' age but I think it might explain why it was her and not all of them or one of the others.

I do think though that one day we will find out the truth of the matter.

Good post

If Kate is doing this to reignite interest, then IMO she should have spent the time spent writing a book & answered the 30 odd questions she refused to answer! In one breath she says she is doing everything she can to search for her daughter, and then in the other she refuses to answer questions. Those questions might not have been pleasant but if your child had been taken, I'd answer any number of unpleasant questions if there was even the smallest chance it could help.

When I came onto this thread I was fully sympathetic of the McCanns, the 'dislike/hate' towards them sickened me & I didn't doubt she had been abducted. Now I can only imagine what it's like to be in their position if she WAS abducted but there's a fine line between inconsistancies because you're dazed, stressed, panicked etc - and they are a mile over it. Kate said she'd never physically searched for Madeline yet in her book she says she looked in undergrowth? You don't get confused about that sort of stuff, unless it's part of something you are trying to create.....surely?

I remember when there was the first mention of sedatives & it was reported that the twins never woke up when people came to the apartment. I don't know what the truth in that is, but if it was true, it's probably because they were sedated. Kate apparantly, in her own words, screamed Maddie's name, searched round the apartment, yet those 2 year olds didn't wake? Unless I've got a majorly light sleeper in Emma, I find that slightly strange to put it mildly! I also wonder if sedatives were used, whether Maddie was given more because she had woken the previous night. I don't know - I don't know what I think about the sedatives idea but for me, it would explain the need to remove the body. If she was found to have died of an overdose I imagine they'd be tried for manslaughter at the very lightest & lose everything. The fact two Drs said they NEVER gave their children calpol is weird to me. It's like they protest too much..."oh we've never even give calpol so of course we wouldn't use sedatives"...god knows. It's just one theory but the whole 'this isn't right' about the situation overrides it all.

I don't know how old I thought the twins were but I only found out earlier tonight they were 2. So they left two 2 year olds and a 3 year old in a room with unlocked doors, in a room they couldn't see, their daughter is supposidely taken and yet they question whether what they did was wrong? It's not right.

 

[Samemka]

They'll never be tried. They have every right to refuse lie detector tests, reconstructions, not commenting during interogation. They have used some of the money from Maddie's raised funds to hire top lawyers. There is lack of real evidence. There are inconsistencies but they play their part in front of the cameras well enough for the majority to believe they are just grief stricken parents looking to find some answers. Personally, if my child had gone missing I would never allow the case to be closed, that is tantamount to giving up. Something the McCann's can do easily because they know what happened that night and they know Madeleine isn't coming back

I agree. Kate has said she's had days when she wants to give up so they can 'all be together' - how does she know for sure she is dead? Maybe it's not a strange thing to say though, maybe more is being read into it than necessary....I've never been in that situation so I can't judge. To be fair I think a lot of things can be read into their comments because there are a lot of discrepancies that exist, but most of them come from stuff they have done/not done, or said, in the first place...

 

[Laura2919]

Personally I dont really like Gerry. I think he is a plank and thinks cos he is a Dr he cant be told anything, he seems to refuse to really accept that they done a stupid thing by not locking the door and leaving them by themselves for the night and the previous nights they did it also. But I cant help but still feel some sympathy for them.

I have read some things on here that dont add up though, I think no they couldnt do it and then someone posts something that makes me think, well that makes them look guilty.

 

[odd_socks]

IF they did harm her, should the other kids be getting some kind of protection?

No, because there's no proof she has been harmed.

thanks for that i wasnt sure

 

[Samemka]

I know what you mean Laura. I've just sat & looked through pictures of Madeline & it makes me so desperately sad......if she did die accidentally I just can't get my head around them being able to go & hide the body. Whether she died as a result of them leaving her or not.....it'd surely be a living hell knowing you'd hidden your childs body. I really don't know. I suppose I'm thinking about this logically & as we all know there are people in this world who murder & do unspeakable things. God knows.....there's no best case scenario here is there? Part of me 'hopes' she died in her sleep or had an accident & died instantly (banged her head or something) but then the thought of her own parents covering it up is horrible....as is someone taking her

 

[Laura2919]

It doesnt help that they answer with 'no comment' and they refuse to do things and come up with really crap excuses.. Maybe people wouldnt suspect it is them if they werent so reluctant to help.

 

[babybaillie]

I dont think they killed her. I dont think they have it in them as ppl. and if they want to raise funds. why not sell ur lovely big home, that we all helped pay for!!! when the money was supposed to be goin to search for Maddie and they used it for mortgage payments when they werent working,. well id love a big house like theres. so downsize to a modest house.

 

[LoraLoo]

It doesnt help that they answer with 'no comment' and they refuse to do things and come up with really crap excuses.. Maybe people wouldnt suspect it is them if they werent so reluctant to help.

I agree with this.

 

[Tasha]

It doesnt help that they answer with 'no comment' and they refuse to do things and come up with really crap excuses.. Maybe people wouldnt suspect it is them if they werent so reluctant to help.

That is exactly it, I think it makes them look guilty because people think if it were my child I would answer any question because no matter how hard or irrelevant it seems to me, it might give the police a clue when I hadnt realise. I guess people just think I would sell my soul if it meant finding my baby.

 

[LoraLoo]

I dont think they killed her. I dont think they have it in them as ppl. and if they want to raise funds. why not sell ur lovely big home, that we all helped pay for!!! when the money was supposed to be goin to search for Maddie and they used it for mortgage payments when they werent working,. well id love a big house like theres. so downsize to a modest house.

I dont think anyone thinks they murdered her

 

[Linzi]

I only read up to page 55 but I find it very very hard to believe that they could have found her accidently dead... and then been calculated enough to move her, clean the apartment etc.... thank god Ive never lost my son but if something happened and I did find him no way would I be in the right frame of mind to do anything like that.

I know they had their 2 other children (maybe I don't understand coz my other baby isnt here yet I guess), their careers etc... but they're still the poor girls parents at the end of the day :shurgs:

I dunno I find it very hard to believe they had anything to do with it BUT I don't have any sympathy for them by the same count... I only have sympathy for Maddie.

 

[Tasha]

I dont think they killed her. I dont think they have it in them as ppl. and if they want to raise funds. why not sell ur lovely big home, that we all helped pay for!!! when the money was supposed to be goin to search for Maddie and they used it for mortgage payments when they werent working,. well id love a big house like theres. so downsize to a modest house.

I dont think anyone thinks they murdered her

On that Pat Brown, Criminal profiler link she mentions the possiblity quite a bit.

 

[babybaillie]

I dont think they killed her. I dont think they have it in them as ppl. and if they want to raise funds. why not sell ur lovely big home, that we all helped pay for!!! when the money was supposed to be goin to search for Maddie and they used it for mortgage payments when they werent working,. well id love a big house like theres. so downsize to a modest house.

I dont think anyone thinks they murdered her

it was suggested they killed her with seditives. but i dnt think this is d case