Thanks for the article. Definitely interesting and something to consider. What I can never understand is why some people who have an unhealthy lifestyle, whether that be with just junk food or to an extreme, drug users,manage to conceive and have a child but some people have to go to the lengths of a detox diet in order to do so. A lovely article which gives me hope that I, and all of us, can get our own little ones one day.
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Hello ladies,
sorry I was not present, but I was following your stories...
we had a nice vacation for 2 weeks, we went to Switzeland, Austria and
Lichtenstein. I had a bad scare, I slipped and fell on the rock, fortunatlly my baby and I are OK>
DBZ, Thanks for an article.
We have done a sperm dna 2 weeks before our BFP. I am glad we did. It may mean our baby is growing extra healthy.
No matter how old is my hubby, his number is good. The reference range is <15. His number is 5.
He doesn't exercise and drinks every day.
I imagined that his spermies are the worst in the world, so I stuffed him with antioxidant vitamins, and powerful foods like ginger, cayene pepper, lemon, garlic, nuts, broccoli. He likes that extra attention. He told me, "when you get BFP, you'll stop giving me vitmins." I said, "no we need a healthy daddy."
If we had a bad sperm dna results, It will be a reason for him to quit alcohol, instead IVF we could of done IMSI, they use higher power microscope to select a better quality sperm.
I was so angry with my dr. when she said there is no treatment for a bad sperm. Few weeks later in the men room in the clinic I found a sample of pills for men called PROFERTILE.
myshel and flou,
we don't live together with my in-laws, we have our space, but we live in the same house, so noise, emotions are always here. Good luck for your house hunt!
I am sending you tons of baby dust,
I know that this thread will have a BFP news soon!
sorry I was not present, but I was following your stories...
we had a nice vacation for 2 weeks, we went to Switzeland, Austria and
Lichtenstein. I had a bad scare, I slipped and fell on the rock, fortunatlly my baby and I are OK>
DBZ, Thanks for an article.
We have done a sperm dna 2 weeks before our BFP. I am glad we did. It may mean our baby is growing extra healthy.
No matter how old is my hubby, his number is good. The reference range is <15. His number is 5.
He doesn't exercise and drinks every day.
I imagined that his spermies are the worst in the world, so I stuffed him with antioxidant vitamins, and powerful foods like ginger, cayene pepper, lemon, garlic, nuts, broccoli. He likes that extra attention. He told me, "when you get BFP, you'll stop giving me vitmins." I said, "no we need a healthy daddy."
If we had a bad sperm dna results, It will be a reason for him to quit alcohol, instead IVF we could of done IMSI, they use higher power microscope to select a better quality sperm.
I was so angry with my dr. when she said there is no treatment for a bad sperm. Few weeks later in the men room in the clinic I found a sample of pills for men called PROFERTILE.
myshel and flou,
we don't live together with my in-laws, we have our space, but we live in the same house, so noise, emotions are always here. Good luck for your house hunt!
I am sending you tons of baby dust,
I know that this thread will have a BFP news soon!
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Dovkav, I have checked PROFERTIL cos I am always on the lookout for anything to improve sperm and there seem to be two versions (i) clomid (sometimes is called profertil), and (ii) supps for men. https://profertil.eu/proproduct/why-you-should-take-profertil/
We tried clomid like hormones for DH but although his testosterone went up his SA stays the same, low on everything except for motility
He has also been on vitamins but not PROFERTIL. I checked the description: "The results of numerous studies suggest that taking L-carnitine, L-arginine, zinc and selenium can improve sperm count and motility. L-carnitine and L-arginine have a positive effect on sperm motility, while zinc improves sperm count and motility by stimulating testosterone production. The combination with selenium leads to a significant increase in sperm motility, and increases the percentage of normal-shaped sperm. Selenium and glutathione are needed for the production of an enzyme that represents 50% of the mitochondrial capsule material in the mid-piece of the spermatozoon and is responsible for sperm motility.2) Antioxidants vitamin E, glutathione and coenzyme Q10 also have a positive influence on the treatment of male infertility. Free radicals are rendered harmless, which in turn helps protect the cells and organ systems of the body. As spermatozoa are sensitive to oxidative stress, antioxidants such as vitamin E, glutathione and selenium can be used to protect them while they are maturing into sperm cells." Cant see what the dosage is but the list is pretty standard. this should be taken together with a standard multi vit cos it does not seem to have everything you need.
after struggling with poor sperm for years and having tried just about everything, I have to agree with your doc (however much I hate doing it) that there seem to be very little we can do to improve sperm. if a man has poor life style and that's the only reason for his poor SA then it's easy to fix with vitamins but if poor SA is a genuine problem then you are just stuck. feel rather hopeless
We tried clomid like hormones for DH but although his testosterone went up his SA stays the same, low on everything except for motility
He has also been on vitamins but not PROFERTIL. I checked the description: "The results of numerous studies suggest that taking L-carnitine, L-arginine, zinc and selenium can improve sperm count and motility. L-carnitine and L-arginine have a positive effect on sperm motility, while zinc improves sperm count and motility by stimulating testosterone production. The combination with selenium leads to a significant increase in sperm motility, and increases the percentage of normal-shaped sperm. Selenium and glutathione are needed for the production of an enzyme that represents 50% of the mitochondrial capsule material in the mid-piece of the spermatozoon and is responsible for sperm motility.2) Antioxidants vitamin E, glutathione and coenzyme Q10 also have a positive influence on the treatment of male infertility. Free radicals are rendered harmless, which in turn helps protect the cells and organ systems of the body. As spermatozoa are sensitive to oxidative stress, antioxidants such as vitamin E, glutathione and selenium can be used to protect them while they are maturing into sperm cells." Cant see what the dosage is but the list is pretty standard. this should be taken together with a standard multi vit cos it does not seem to have everything you need.
after struggling with poor sperm for years and having tried just about everything, I have to agree with your doc (however much I hate doing it) that there seem to be very little we can do to improve sperm. if a man has poor life style and that's the only reason for his poor SA then it's easy to fix with vitamins but if poor SA is a genuine problem then you are just stuck. feel rather hopeless
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Hi Briss.
Thank you for sharing that is great information. For me I know when I hear sperm problems I automatically think, "oh, that would be an easy fix." But I know it probably isn't and that is my perception because I am the one with the issue and No amount of vitamins are helping me. Like what I would do for the Soy cycles with acupuncture and yoga to work!
I can now say after three years, that stuff does not work when there is inherently something wrong that needs medical attention. Don't get me wrong I am still trying everything until that referral but with the understanding it probably won't happen.
Dov, glad you are doing well, scary falling but good to see you two are healthy.
Living with family always has challenges.
Still waiting to heat about the house we pit an offer in yesterday hopefully they will get back to us soon!
Thank you for sharing that is great information. For me I know when I hear sperm problems I automatically think, "oh, that would be an easy fix." But I know it probably isn't and that is my perception because I am the one with the issue and No amount of vitamins are helping me. Like what I would do for the Soy cycles with acupuncture and yoga to work!
I can now say after three years, that stuff does not work when there is inherently something wrong that needs medical attention. Don't get me wrong I am still trying everything until that referral but with the understanding it probably won't happen.
Dov, glad you are doing well, scary falling but good to see you two are healthy.
Living with family always has challenges.
Still waiting to heat about the house we pit an offer in yesterday hopefully they will get back to us soon!
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Myshelsong - your icon made me crack up.
I've also sort of resigned myself to the fact that this probably isn't going to happen until I see the fertility doctors. At least I won't feel like I'm getting the run-around, because I am *paying* this clinic to get me pregnant.
Good to hear from you dovkav! And Briss, I'm sorry you are feeling hopeless. I really hope that you get your miracle soon.
I don't remember who on this forum brought up the fact that it was strange that my OB/GYN didn't do an HSG before putting me on Clomid, but that person was right. She should have. She told me she "just assumed" at least one of my tubes was open, since I got pregnant once. I've not had ANY imaging done, even when I had my mc. For all I know, it could have been a tubal pregnancy, or left some scarring (I did bleed for nearly a month and a half). I should have pushed harder for imaging, but the more I think about it, the more it makes me angry that no one bothered to do an ultrasound/HSG/anything. If your ankle hurts, they'll do an x-ray. Why is a uterus any different when you're having problems ttc?
I've also sort of resigned myself to the fact that this probably isn't going to happen until I see the fertility doctors. At least I won't feel like I'm getting the run-around, because I am *paying* this clinic to get me pregnant.
Good to hear from you dovkav! And Briss, I'm sorry you are feeling hopeless. I really hope that you get your miracle soon.
I don't remember who on this forum brought up the fact that it was strange that my OB/GYN didn't do an HSG before putting me on Clomid, but that person was right. She should have. She told me she "just assumed" at least one of my tubes was open, since I got pregnant once. I've not had ANY imaging done, even when I had my mc. For all I know, it could have been a tubal pregnancy, or left some scarring (I did bleed for nearly a month and a half). I should have pushed harder for imaging, but the more I think about it, the more it makes me angry that no one bothered to do an ultrasound/HSG/anything. If your ankle hurts, they'll do an x-ray. Why is a uterus any different when you're having problems ttc?
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It is strange that they didn't do any internal or external ultrasounds prior to being put on any drugs. For me I had loads of bloodwork plus internal and external then the tubal flushing then A lap to see if there were any issues. Because everything came back normal my doctor wouldn't put me on Clomid instead referred me to a fertility specialist for the next step.
As for me great news ladies, I cannot put this on Facebook as we haven't told family yet but we have accepted an offer on a home! Possession date is August 15 which although it's far away is so exciting it is my dream home and hopefully we will have babies with it soon enough.
As for me great news ladies, I cannot put this on Facebook as we haven't told family yet but we have accepted an offer on a home! Possession date is August 15 which although it's far away is so exciting it is my dream home and hopefully we will have babies with it soon enough.
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Thanks Flou.
Ugh so I am 9dpo and already symptom spotting. Bought dinner home and everything tasted weird, I started to cry while driving to get gas, and my boobs are tender. Pretty sure it is because I am house siting with three dogs a cat and only internet on my phone so I am bored. Nothing else to do but think I am pregnant. Wish I could get through one month without feeling hopeful. Does anyone else get like that? Maybe if I didn't wish so hard every month I wouldn't be so disappointed every month.
Ugh so I am 9dpo and already symptom spotting. Bought dinner home and everything tasted weird, I started to cry while driving to get gas, and my boobs are tender. Pretty sure it is because I am house siting with three dogs a cat and only internet on my phone so I am bored. Nothing else to do but think I am pregnant. Wish I could get through one month without feeling hopeful. Does anyone else get like that? Maybe if I didn't wish so hard every month I wouldn't be so disappointed every month.
Hi Ladies 
May I join you? I already see a couple of familiar names who have kindly replied to me on a thread I started
I'd like to share my story if I may...
OH (28) and (29) first began NTNP in 2008 which slowly developed into more actively TTC and came to a head in 2011 after seeing my Dr and getting a quick referral to the fertility clinic where we had a number of tests. OH's sperm is "superb" and I was found to be ovulating on my own with no obvious problems. The only thing that showed up was during my HSG it was shown that I have a slight bicornuate uterus but was told this wouldn't effect my chances of conceiving.
I was soon put on Clomid which was one of the worst things in my life - I was a big hormonal mess and it didn't help that I was having work problems at the time so was massively stressed and crying everyday in work. To top it off, I didn't even get a sniff of a BFP.
Then it all went quiet...I was told I was on the waiting list for IUI and I waited and waited
and then in December last year, nearly 2 and half years later, I got the call. Unfortunately the IUI was to be done at a clinic over an hour away because my local clinic was still working through its backlog of patients (hence the long wait). Nevertheless, back and forth we went for scans, injecting every day leading up to ovulation and generally becoming a hermit because I didn't want to go out and drink anymore and risk messing up the procedure in any way.
After 2 failed attempts and a cancelled cycle from over-responding to the drugs, we had our last IUI in May which had a happy and sad ending in that I finally got pregnant and it ended up being a chemical pregnancy.
So here we are now...no more IUIs left and waiting for my next AF to start (fingers crossed it doesn't!) so that I can have bloods and be put on the waiting list for IVF.
To the ladies who are in the process of moving/buying a new house, I am also in the same boat. Our new house should be ready by end of next month so I'm hoping that will give me plenty to take my mind off TTC!
May I join you? I already see a couple of familiar names who have kindly replied to me on a thread I started
I'd like to share my story if I may...
OH (28) and (29) first began NTNP in 2008 which slowly developed into more actively TTC and came to a head in 2011 after seeing my Dr and getting a quick referral to the fertility clinic where we had a number of tests. OH's sperm is "superb" and I was found to be ovulating on my own with no obvious problems. The only thing that showed up was during my HSG it was shown that I have a slight bicornuate uterus but was told this wouldn't effect my chances of conceiving.
I was soon put on Clomid which was one of the worst things in my life - I was a big hormonal mess and it didn't help that I was having work problems at the time so was massively stressed and crying everyday in work. To top it off, I didn't even get a sniff of a BFP.
Then it all went quiet...I was told I was on the waiting list for IUI and I waited and waited
and then in December last year, nearly 2 and half years later, I got the call. Unfortunately the IUI was to be done at a clinic over an hour away because my local clinic was still working through its backlog of patients (hence the long wait). Nevertheless, back and forth we went for scans, injecting every day leading up to ovulation and generally becoming a hermit because I didn't want to go out and drink anymore and risk messing up the procedure in any way.After 2 failed attempts and a cancelled cycle from over-responding to the drugs, we had our last IUI in May which had a happy and sad ending in that I finally got pregnant and it ended up being a chemical pregnancy.
So here we are now...no more IUIs left and waiting for my next AF to start (fingers crossed it doesn't!) so that I can have bloods and be put on the waiting list for IVF.
To the ladies who are in the process of moving/buying a new house, I am also in the same boat. Our new house should be ready by end of next month so I'm hoping that will give me plenty to take my mind off TTC!
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YES I wish I'd stop getting hopeful, too. Even when I know I have a better chance of being hit by lightning, I still get hopeful. "OMG my boobs are hurting," "oh man I feel nauseous," "why does everything smell so strong?"
I've had every symptom under the sun, too. One month, I woke up and got sick. I was so excited, I thought it might be morning sickness. The next day, AF came. THAT was a slap in the face, and I was furious at myself for getting my hopes up.
I know exactly how you feel. Some months I really don't have many symptoms and I hope, but know that I'm not. Other months I have all the symptoms and I think I could be, even teases me with AF a couple of days late. The both times i got a bfp I had symptoms and thought I could be but it wasn't really any different from the months i thought i was and wasn't. The last few months it hasn't been getting to me as much but I think that's because I've been a bit more relaxed. After 3 years ttc I just don't expect it anymore and having been through two losses just because I get a bfp i don't feel as if that means i will have a baby. I hope we all get our sticky beans soon!
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Hi welshgem, glad you found your way here. Sorry your journey had been so stressful, hopefully it will be over soon.
So started spotting tonight and was crazy bitchy all day. Which means af will be here in the morning. So annoyed at myself! Going to try not to cry when she arrives. That will be my victory for the month.
So started spotting tonight and was crazy bitchy all day. Which means af will be here in the morning. So annoyed at myself! Going to try not to cry when she arrives. That will be my victory for the month.
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Sorry if AF has arrived myshel 
But your not out until she arrives in full flow. When i had my second bfp I had spotting the day AF was due. Completely devastated however as the days went on the spotting got lighter and lighter and then bfp. I hope this happens for you!
But your not out until she arrives in full flow. When i had my second bfp I had spotting the day AF was due. Completely devastated however as the days went on the spotting got lighter and lighter and then bfp. I hope this happens for you!
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She is here but I am not going to cry, I am going to rage!!
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Thanks ladies, it is what it is I am over it now. Had a great day with family today swimming laughing played a game of euchre.
Onto the next month. How is everyone doing. It is Canada day weekend this weekend and we are out to see my husband family. Should be fun but super crazy busy.
Onto the next month. How is everyone doing. It is Canada day weekend this weekend and we are out to see my husband family. Should be fun but super crazy busy.
Glad to hear you're being positive Myshelsong. I get the same; I wallow in my own misery for a day or two then just have to 'look forward' to the next cycle.
I'm 9dpo today and my temp has seen a 2 day drop. I'm preparing myself for AF now, although hoping she's a few days away yet as I don't want to be dealing with a short LP amongst other things.
The good news I suppose is that once AF starts, I have been told to get all my bloods re-run in preparation for IVF. Let's hope the waiting list is not as long as the one I was on for iui!
I'm 9dpo today and my temp has seen a 2 day drop. I'm preparing myself for AF now, although hoping she's a few days away yet as I don't want to be dealing with a short LP amongst other things.
The good news I suppose is that once AF starts, I have been told to get all my bloods re-run in preparation for IVF. Let's hope the waiting list is not as long as the one I was on for iui!
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