MMR jab and autism - new link

[Savannah11]

Hi girls
I was looking into this and this link was posted within a day ago... A new link between it has been found. Thought this would interest you.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html

 

[MrsPOP]

That article was published in 2006!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No 'new link' has been found. The Daily Fail often fail to date their articles but this isn't new at all.

 

[LoveleeB]

Interesting,but I'd like to know how many children from the control group had the measles virus, if there was one, although the article doesn't mention a control group which. I believe was one of the many, many flaws of dr. Wakefield's study.

 

[pinklightbulb]

They can't prove there is a link but have they proven 100% that there ISN'T one? Nothing is ever 100% for certain is it? Who knows if there is or there isn't, but my OH believes there must be something to it as his first kid had the MMR and a week later was a totally different kid who is now a high-functioning autistic. If he feels that strongly that the vax had something to do with it, I wouldn't be awful enough to get it done to Eamon. He'll get every other vax but not MMR. I just don't see that it's something worth ending my relationship over as if I gave permission for it to get done, that's what would happen as OH feels so so strongly about it The risk of E contracting anything is far less than the risk that OH's trust in me would be broken for good if I ever went behind his back to do it. Some people really do feel that strongly about this subject and there is no talking them out of it no matter what.

 

[LadyRoy]

Please stop with all this. Non-vaccinating kills more kids than vaccinating. It's just scaremongering

 

[special_kala]

Urgh I wish this so called autism link would just go away!

Yes you can't 100% can't say it doesn't have a effect but can you 100% say there are no long term risks to the vaccinations you don't bat a eye at gettinh, or all the chemicals in the bath stuff you use or on wipes.

I'm pro choice on vaccinations when its a researched educated decision but this mmr thing has been discredited for yrars!

 

[SaffronSkye]

Posting a new scientific study might be informing the BnB community, but the fact is there isn't one and nothing written in the daily mail could ever be described as a true scientific fact

 

[pinklightbulb]

I was just pointing out there are people on the other side of the fence who won't be swayed. I didn't say I was one of them. I wouldn't have cared about giving Eamon the MMR if OH wasn't so against it Some people are anti-vax for other reasons, and don't give any at all and will never. And without a 100% guarantee that something won't cause a lifelong change to the child, some people aren't going to budge. Some people have kids who turned out with autism who don't think there is a link, but some do, and if they feel that way isn't that their prerogative? Doesn't everyone want something to blame when something happens to one of their children? That's just my OH's way of feeling that he is protecting this LO from what he feels he didn't to his first.
I don't think he feels he's putting Eamon at risk by not vaxing, rather the opposite. Who am I to tell him that he can't be protective in his own way if that's his feeling on it? To some it isn't scaremongering and they truly feel passionate MMR caused their child to turn out autistic. Would anyone here say it to his face that he's uninformed just for wanting to protect his second child from what he thinks affected his first? I know I don't have the heart to.

 

[moomin_troll]

OMG! this sort of thing really pisses me off.

clearly those who really believe there is a link between the two have no experience with people who are autistic.

and this is a actual fact altho im not going to go search for links, most of us are on the autistic spectrum if tested. austium is genetic, if your going to have it u will have it from birth!

 

[Stargazer77]

The man at the centre of this has been entirely discredited. He was also paid by parents of children with autism to conduct his research.
In recent months there has been an enormous outbreak of mumps and measles. With children dying.

 

[pinklightbulb]

^ My OH's son is autistic but he has no experience with him? That's a bit much I have plenty of experience with him too. I know you're not trying to upset anyone by saying that but I feel it could be worded a little better to explain how you mean that. OH was there right from baby to toddler with his first LO and says the change coincided. It probably did and he was probably always going to be autistic but I still don't think OH will ever change his mind that there's a link because the timing was SO close iykwim.

 

[patch2006uk]

If it's from 2006, here's Ben Goldacre's response:

https://www.badscience.net/2006/06/mmr-is-back/

If you generally want to read some articles about how terriby the media have handled the reporting of the MMR/autism stuff, here's a general link:

https://www.badscience.net/category/mmr/

The misrepresentation of facts and figures is shocking, as well as the fact that barely any of these new 'scientific' studies are ever published and peer reviewed, shows the media jumping on bandwagons and spouting nonsense based on unproven nonsense.

The interesting thing is that there is only the MMR fear in the UK really. The French and Australians and plenty of other countries give it without a second thought, because the media there hasn't scaremongered like it has here. They have other vaccines they think of as 'controversial' that we here give quite happily.

I feel quite strongly that the media have a lot to answer for regarding the reemegence of measles in the UK population, after it had almost reduced completely. There are some graphs on the links I've posted. Dr Wakefield doesn't deserve the Dr in my opinion. He's peddled misinformation and scared people away from vaccinating their children, when the evidence really points to the vaccine being completely safe.

The problem is that autism is diagnosed at around the same age the MMR is given, but correlation does not and never will equal causation.

 

[Stargazer77]

^^^ I can see that pinklightbulb and I'm not sure what I would do in that position.

 

[pinklightbulb]

I'm in Australia Some do believe it here, lots actually. Not trying to be combative or anything honest, just wanted to clear that up.
Stargazer: I've chosen not to allow the MMR to put OH's mind at rest about it. If it truly is genetic as moomin_troll is saying (I believe it is too), and Eamon does happen to have the gene and turns out that way, well he will be disproven but I obviously don't want that to happen. But unless that happens OH won't change his mind and the thought of giving the MMR to Eamon upsets him terribly so I won't give consent for it. I know it sounds like I'm putting Eamon at risk, but I really don't believe I am. There are barely any cases of measles or mumps where I am, and I don't know about rubella but have been researching it to see what damage can be done if E does somehow contract it.

 

[Stargazer77]

I think everybody has to do what they think is best for their child. I also think the department of health could do a much better job of clearing this up.

 

[moomin_troll]

thing is i can understand parents being worried about the link when they feel they have seen the proof. but to me it just seems like something is being blamed for that child having autisum when to me being autistic isnt a bad thing at all. and links and reports like this make out like having autisum is such a terrible thing and parents should be scared of it.

for me the reason there are so little cases of measles and mumps is because people vaccinate in the first place. if this link was a worry to me i maybe would of delayed it but my mum knew my brother was different way before his vaccinations.

what people dont seem to get is that most of us will be on the autistic spectrum vaccinated or not

 

[pinklightbulb]

moomin, for my OH it turned out a bad thing his DS is autistic, he didn't see him enough to bond properly with him and so refused to recognize him as Dad. He was quite happy with me as he saw me all the time (I was friends with his mum and lived there for a while so he got to know me), but when the visits became infrequent it was impossible to explain why to him (his mother started being a @#$! over OH and I going out a few months in, long story) because he simply didn't have the capacity to understand that OH wanted to see him but was being denied (not that he'd have said that, he'd have made a different excuse that was nicer) even at five. Most five year olds would accept that Daddy is busy/is working lots/ la la, but it was too much for his DS, he was non-verbal anyway and we had no idea what he understood anyway.
Ah sorry for all this, I hate these articles, it always brings home what OH is missing out on now with his son His DS's mother used the fact he's autistic to the courts saying it was traumatic to him to see his father as he didn't recognize him as his dad, and they decided it was in the best interests of his DS to side with her So yeah sometimes it can matter that they turn out that way, it did in this case for my OH, is what I'm trying to say Everyone has different experiences with autistic kids though don't they.

 

[moomin_troll]

i will just never agree with someone trying to find a reason/blame something else for a child having autisum no matter if they have had a hard time because of it.

in no way is it ever easy living with someone who is autistic, my brother is 29 and is still a nightmare with it but my mum has never tried to say something was the cause of it other then genetics and hes just supposed to have it

 

[pinklightbulb]

Then she dealt with it well, my OH didn't, some people will try to blame something but it doesn't make them bad people does it I thought they didn't know 100% what caused autism?

 

[Kimmer]

I don't buy the autism link.. Even if I did, it wouldn't stop me from getting the jab. I'd much rather have an autistic child than a child that had to go through some awful illness and maybe even die because of a daily mail story.

I have delayed the jab so LO hasn't had it yet. But she will be having it.
If she is diagnosed with autism later in life, I won't blame the jab.