MMR jab and autism - new link

[Mummyjessie]

As with all immunisations this is a very personal choice and everyone should respect each others views. I feel that I wanted my children to have it and will stand by that decision with my next but totally understand that not everyone feels the same way!

 

[patch2006uk]

This is where they are all different, OH's boy was fine before MMR, 2 days later, he stopped talking, regressed and stayed that way. How could he not think it was more than coincidental?
Oh and I apologise for the sweeping generalisation I made too Foogirl. I didn't mean to offend

I really don't want to come across as rude, but there is no evidence to suggest a link between MMR and autism. I really feel for your DH, but your posts could be read by someone and considered as evidence not to get their LO immunised. The timing of the development of autism and the MMR are between 12 and 18 months generally, so I can understand why people might perceive there to be a link. But correlation does not equal causation. If it started raining after a vaccine was given after the sky being blue all morning, you wouldn't say that the vaccine had caused the weather to change!

Some friends of my parents have a little boy with severe autism, and I have seen how hard it is. Like I said, I don't want to be rude, but until evidence is produced clearly proving that there is a causal link, the vaccine should be considered safe. The incidence of autism has not gone up since the vaccine was introduced!

 

[pinklightbulb]

Sigh... I know you dont want to come across as rude. I know all the facts. My OH doesn't want to look at anything else but the link he personally saw and I don't blame him. Some parents do need something to blame, my OH lost his son to autism as his mother used it as ammunition against him in court for visitation he was trying to get. Of course he would want something to blame. And if people see this on the internet, and read it and are taken in by it without getting a 'professional' opinion on top of it, isn't that their fault, not the story I told?

 

[patch2006uk]

As with all immunisations this is a very personal choice and everyone should respect each others views. I feel that I wanted my children to have it and will stand by that decision with my next but totally understand that not everyone feels the same way!

Here's the problem with people deciding not to vaccinate:

My LO is healthy. If he did catch measles, he would probably be quite sick, bit survive. The vaccine is of benefit to him, but it's probably not a matter of life and death.

Now say a child at LO's school has a weakened immune system, be it from a genetic illness or any other reason. They're not even strong enough to survive being vaccinated against measles, let alone fight off the full blown disease. My LO, being unvaccinated, catches measles but is still in the incubation period-contagious, but no symptoms. He goes to school. The innunocompromised child catches measles from my LO and dies. My decision not to vaccinate causes an already sick child to die.

If too few people vaccinate, an epidemic become a real possibility, as not enough people have been vaccinated to contain the outbreak of disease.

Immunisations are a societal obligation. We only think they're unnecessary because they work so well and the diseases they protect against are so well controlled. Remove the immunity from the population, though, and we're all in trouble.

 

[bumpy_j]

This is where they are all different, OH's boy was fine before MMR, 2 days later, he stopped talking, regressed and stayed that way. How could he not think it was more than coincidental?
Oh and I apologise for the sweeping generalisation I made too Foogirl. I didn't mean to offend

I completely know where you're coming from hun.

 

[patch2006uk]

Sigh... I know you dont want to come across as rude. I know all the facts. My OH doesn't want to look at anything else but the link he personally saw and I don't blame him. Some parents do need something to blame, my OH lost his son to autism as his mother used it as ammunition against him in court for visitation he was trying to get. Of course he would want something to blame. And if people see this on the internet, and read it and are taken in by it without getting a 'professional' opinion on top of it, isn't that their fault, not the story I told?

I really really wish the majority of people did research for themselves instead of relying on the dailyfail (diana's still dead and breathing causes cancer shock!) and forums for their medical advice. But people don't

 

[pinklightbulb]

Dailyfail doesn't exist here and I'm glad from the sounds of it lol.
bumpy_j

 

[MrsPOP]

My LO is healthy. If he did catch measles, he would probably be quite sick, bit survive. The vaccine is of benefit to him, but it's probably not a matter of life and death.

Just want to point out measles can kill even the healthiest of kddies, or leave them with long term health complications.

 

[patch2006uk]

My LO is healthy. If he did catch measles, he would probably be quite sick, bit survive. The vaccine is of benefit to him, but it's probably not a matter of life and death.

Just want to point out measles can kill even the healthiest of kddies, or leave them with long term health complications.

Oh absolutely! I just meant that just because measles isn't a guaranteed death sentence for a healthy baby doesn't mean you shouldn't vaccinate. There are benefits to vaccination that stretch beyond the individual

 

[Foogirl]

This is where they are all different, OH's boy was fine before MMR, 2 days later, he stopped talking, regressed and stayed that way. How could he not think it was more than coincidental?
Oh and I apologise for the sweeping generalisation I made too Foogirl. I didn't mean to offend

No offence taken, it just concerns me when people mistake "what I" would do for "what most" would do.

I can understand your OH's concernns, but two days is a long time really, what else happened in those two day, but in the week before. I know I'm preaching to the converted as you can see the errors in his conclusion, but as someone else said, to a concerned mummy, she will read that and think it is " Proof". In these types of debate, it is important to allow balance.

 

[MizzDeeDee]

https://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/06/autism.vaccines/index.html

Why do people even listen to this guy? He even had his license taken away! I don't get it.

As for me.. I would rather have an Autistic baby as opposed to a dead one.

 

[kmac625]

https://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/06/autism.vaccines/index.html

Why do people even listen to this guy? He even had his license taken away! I don't get it.

As for me.. I would rather have an Autistic baby as opposed to a dead one.

I agree with this entirely!

I was hanging with friends last night and we were talking about this and it turns out one of them lost his older sister (before he was born) to meningitis because they didn't have vaccines in the 1950's in Turkey where he was born. My DD's pediatrician is a pediatric infectious disease specialist and when I asked her about delaying vaccines she told me that she sees too many kids at the Sick Kid's Hospital here that end out with life-long disabilities or sometimes die because they weren't vaccinated. Needless to say, Clara has had all her vaccines on time and is getting her MMR a week after her first birthday.

 

[mumoffive]

The OP meant no harm. It was an honest mistake and she was just trying to be helpful. I will always vacinate my children against this. My children have been all vaccinated and none of them are autistic.

 

[PeanutBean]

I must've posted this 100 times in the last three years but here is a lovely comic summarising the truth uncovered about Wakefield: https://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html

Here is a link explaining in more detail how Brian Deer uncovered Wakefield's deception and corruption:
https://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm

If parents choose not to vaccinate for whatever reason that's their choice but it ought at least be based on evidence.

Perhaps we could create a sticky about the MMR/autism lie in baby club?

 

[Katt]

I am actually scared of the mmr now. I always knew about the wakefield scam, but now it is getting closer to the time lo should have the jab I am starting to worry. Totally irrational I know but I can't help it. I suppose I should do some research but google doesn't always help!

 

[Foogirl]

I am actually scared of the mmr now. I always knew about the wakefield scam, but now it is getting closer to the time lo should have the jab I am starting to worry. Totally irrational I know but I can't help it. I suppose I should do some research but google doesn't always help!

I was worried too, and I had read all the stuff about just why it was a load of rubbish. There was still the niggling doubt. I ignored it and got the jab and of course she was absolutely fine.

Don't google, talk to your GP or HV.

 

[moomin_troll]

for me i dont really get why people who have used every other vaccination would then worry about just this one. but i agree with foogirl, dont google talk to ur doctor/HV about it instead.

it can always be delayed if u felt that was a better option, but for me i didnt have any concerns and zane was given all his vaccinations including MMR when he was given the appointment at 12 months. he got abit ill 2 weeks after but apart from that hes been totaly fine

 

[MizzDeeDee]

for me i dont really get why people who have used every other vaccination would then worry about just this one. but i agree with foogirl, dont google talk to ur doctor/HV about it instead.

it can always be delayed if u felt that was a better option, but for me i didnt have any concerns and zane was given all his vaccinations including MMR when he was given the appointment at 12 months. he got abit ill 2 weeks after but apart from that hes been totaly fine

In the US many mothers don't vaccinate at all and they sight all vaccines for causing autism... they don't just have an issue with the MMR shot.

I really wish they would... we've had pertussis and measles outbreaks because of it.. even close to me.. We're going to lose our herd immunity if they don't start to vaccinate.

 

[Divinebeauty]

I must've posted this 100 times in the last three hears but here is a lovely comic summarising the truth uncovered about Wakefield: https://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html

Here is a link explaining in more detail how Brian Deer uncovered Wakefield's deception and corruption:
https://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-summary.htm

If parents choose not to vaccinate for whatever reason that's their choice but it ought at least be based on evidence.

Perhaps we could create a sticky about the MMR/autism lie in baby club?

I second the sticky for the MMR/Autism crap!!!

 

[blondey]

I am actually scared of the mmr now. I always knew about the wakefield scam, but now it is getting closer to the time lo should have the jab I am starting to worry. Totally irrational I know but I can't help it. I suppose I should do some research but google doesn't always help!

Eeeek, Katt, don't google it! Google is not a worried mum/mum to be's friend!

I googled the flu jab after I had it when I was pregnant. I was a nervous wreck. And the amount of things I diagnosed myself with when I was pregnant

Re this topic, I am pro-choice re vacines, as I am about most things. After all we live in a free society, no one should tell you how to raise your child. BUT personally, we will be getting LO vaccinated. I believe that the more people who vaccinate, the more chance we have of wiping out these horrible diseases