MMR jab and autism - new link

[Kimmer]

I don't buy the autism link.. Even if I did, it wouldn't stop me from getting the jab. I'd much rather have an autistic child than a child that had to go through some awful illness and maybe even die because of a daily mail story.

I have delayed the jab so LO hasn't had it yet. But she will be having it.
If she is diagnosed with autism later in life, I won't blame the jab.

 

[MrsPOP]

I understand parents of autistic kiddies want to find blame for their children's condition. However it's been completely disproven that there is any link between MMR and Autism. 'Dr' Wakefield has been struck off. This 'study' was actually taken from a poster presentation showing statistically insignificant preliminary results of a study chock full of flaws.

What HAS been proven is the dangers of not vaccinating your children. Measles kills. Mumps can cause all kinds of long term problems such as infertility. Children who are immunocompromised are being affected because parents would rather listen to the Daily Fail and it's scaremongering than vaccinate their children, decreasing herd immunity and exposing immunocompromised kids to fatal illnesses.

This thread should be closed. People may not realise this article is 5 years old and MMR evidence has moved on a long way since then

 

[Foogirl]

Of course it cannot be proven 100% there is not link. It is virtually impossible to prove anything like that 100%. It hasn't been proven 100% that giving MMR doesn't cause the world to end either But it has been proven, without a shadow of a doubt that there was no causal link in Wakefield's study. It has also been proven 100% that the millions of children who have been given it across the world have not become autistic becuause of it. It has also been proven that autism rates have not risen, and in some areas have fallen since the MMR has been given. In short, the MMR vaccination has no bearing whatsoever on the autism statistics.

The Bad Science link contains the best information. Parents would do well to listen to him, rather than some other crap dredged up from the Internet. I do sympathise with those who have to deal with autism, but in blaming MMR, children's lives are put in danger and I cannot forgive that.

 

[brunette&bubs]

 

[Katt]

For gods sake people it is the daily mail! That alone should tell you it is b*******!

 

[pinklightbulb]

I knew I shouldn't have entered this thread I always end up feeling like *&%$ for wanting to put my OH's mind at rest even if he is wrong.

 

[Foogirl]

This thread should be closed. People may not realise this article is 5 years old and MMR evidence has moved on a long way since then

I agree. I would also say further threads should be removed. I'm no fan of censorship, but this issue will never go away whilst this sort of nonsense continues to be posted on the Internet.

 

[Foogirl]

I knew I shouldn't have entered this thread I always end up feeling like *&%$ for wanting to put my OH's mind at rest even if he is wrong.

Although I think the whole thing is a bunch of bulldoody, I think you've made the right decision in delaying the MMR because of your OHs fears. If he isn't able to distinguish the difference between anecdotal evidence and scientific evidence because of his own family situation, you've found a good compromise. Many parents are unable to come to such a deal.

 

[pinklightbulb]

He can't because literally a couple of days after the jab, his DS turned 'funny' and never turned back. I can see how it is hard for him to see anything but a link because of the timing. I think most parents in that exact position would fail to see there wasn't a link

 

[Foogirl]

He can't because literally a couple of days after the jab, his DS turned 'funny' and never turned back. I can see how it is hard for him to see anything but a link because of the timing. I think most parents in that exact position would fail to see there wasn't a link

I think that's a bit of a sweeping generalisation. I have no idea what "most" parents would do. I would be concerned but if all the scientific evidence showed it was very unlikely to be the case, I would accept that. No-one can ever be sure what causes autism, but if causes have been ruled out I'm not going to hang on to it to find a "reason"

After the first set of Abby's jabs, she was fine but the next day she screamed until eventually we took her to the hospital. They didn't know what was wrong and eventually reckoned it was just a reaction to the jabs. Or it could have been the doctor who left her on the scales earlier so she banged her head........

Abby has cerebral palsy. We have no idea what caused it. There were a number of things which could have led to it, mainly from her time in hospital when she was born. Would I stop the doctors doing anything they did to Abby, if I were in the same situation again? Not a chance because those things were best for her at the time and we cannot be sure when her brain cysts were caused. We just have to accept she has it and we can't prevent any future children from having it either. Hard though that is to accept.

 

[bumpy_j]

Just putting it out there, my mum is convinced that the MMR didn't cause my brother to be autistic (aspergers) but triggered something off - he was fine, got the jab and came down with a fever, and apparently he just changed. Could be a coincidence but she's always thought otherwise. She has since studied the autistic spectrum for years and years, got a first phD based on it but still upholds that belief even after all the reports disproving it. Is there full on concrete proof that if it's in the family that there's no correlation at all I could show her? I want to get the MMR for Joel but his grandma is really hammering home not to.

 

[pinklightbulb]

^ That is what I mean, it may not cause it per se, but may trigger off something that was in the genetics to predispose the child to autism. OH realizes it is probably genetic, but believes something more along this line, and doesn't want to risk it with Eamon.

 

[XfairyhopesX]

That scared the shit outta me, aidens just had his... hope its a load of crap!!!!

 

[moomin_troll]

Just putting it out there, my mum is convinced that the MMR didn't cause my brother to be autistic (aspergers) but triggered something off - he was fine, got the jab and came down with a fever, and apparently he just changed. Could be a coincidence but she's always thought otherwise. She has since studied the autistic spectrum for years and years, got a first phD based on it but still upholds that belief even after all the reports disproving it. Is there full on concrete proof that if it's in the family that there's no correlation? I mean I want to get the MMR for Joel but his grandma is really hammering home not to.

if YOU want ur son to have the MMR then thats what you should do. for my mum she knew my brother was different before his vaccinations so for her its never been a problem to vaccinate.

because our brother is autistic and we also have a brother with downs (different mum) my mum was worried that her other children or grandchildren would also have these "problems"

my mum is quiet high on the autistic spectrum herself so for her its always been genetic

 

[Ozzieshunni]

There is no conclusive evidence that links autism to vaccinations. As far as I know, there is no recognized cause of autism known to date.

pinklightbulb, no one here is insulting or demeaning your decisions not to vaccinate to reassure your DH I'm sure it was very easy to draw the conclusion that the vaccine caused autism in his son because that's when the symptoms started to manifest.

 

[Foogirl]

Just putting it out there, my mum is convinced that the MMR didn't cause my brother to be autistic (aspergers) but triggered something off - he was fine, got the jab and came down with a fever, and apparently he just changed. Could be a coincidence but she's always thought otherwise. She has since studied the autistic spectrum for years and years, got a first phD based on it but still upholds that belief even after all the reports disproving it. Is there full on concrete proof that if it's in the family that there's no correlation? I mean I want to get the MMR for Joel but his grandma is really hammering home not to.

There is about as much proof as it is possible to have, that there is no link. Even if (and it is a big if, as nothing has been proven) it is a trigger, that just means the condition is there already and will develop sooner or later anyway.

As has been said, the problem is the first signs of autism appear at the same time they give MMR, this is why people think there is a link.

 

[bumpy_j]

I dont believe there is a link by the way, I just need a way to make my mum more comfortable about the decision

 

[moomin_troll]

i think if ur mum is dead set on what she believes u wont be able to change her mind. but i do think u should do what u believe is best for ur lo and tell her its none of her business

 

[pinklightbulb]

This is where they are all different, OH's boy was fine before MMR, 2 days later, he stopped talking, regressed and stayed that way. How could he not think it was more than coincidental?
Oh and I apologise for the sweeping generalisation I made too Foogirl. I didn't mean to offend

 

[Pixles]

.. Why is everyone so hot on this, yet not delayed cord cutting. both have been linked by some people with autisum but it dosent make it definative. Anything in this chemical ladin world of ours could set off any manner of issues within any of us. We are all autistic, just not so many of us are very high on the scale. The so called Dr/Proffessor who did this has created nothing good but deaths and worrie. A child born with mild autisum could become worse after a cold, illness or trauma of anykind and not anyone thing is the cause of this. My LO will have the MMR, because both me and my OH have vareing degrees of autisum, just like everyone out there will be and it has no physical or mental affect on us what so ever, his resurch is unjustafied, unreal and scaremungering. Some people will have storys that back up the resurch, but is it possible, they only have this link because of the resurch? and would they have noticed it if it had ever been published?