OT - Usama Bin Laden is DEAD!

[KittyVentura]

I think it is revenge. Proper Team America style revenge. Yes they caught the bad man they started out to get but look how many people have died on all sides over the past 10 years as they sought to get him. Just like in Team America where they get the terrorists but destroy Paris lol.

For some it must be good to know that all that fighting has now done SOMETHING - they've got SOMEWHERE.

Really think it doesn't change things overall. The terror groups are still out there and will still target the West... now they have an "excuse" to do it

 

[PepsiChic]

I think it is revenge. Proper Team America style revenge. Yes they caught the bad man they started out to get but look how many people have died on all sides over the past 10 years as they sought to get him. Just like in Team America where they get the terrorists but destroy Paris lol.

For some it must be good to know that all that fighting has now done SOMETHING - they've got SOMEWHERE.

Really think it doesn't change things overall. The terror groups are still out there and will still target the West... now they have an "excuse" to do it

they dont need an excuse, they didnt in the past and they dont now, they hate the west and thats how they have been for many years and how they will be for many more years.

 

[xemmax]

I think it is revenge. Proper Team America style revenge. Yes they caught the bad man they started out to get but look how many people have died on all sides over the past 10 years as they sought to get him. Just like in Team America where they get the terrorists but destroy Paris lol.

For some it must be good to know that all that fighting has now done SOMETHING - they've got SOMEWHERE.

Really think it doesn't change things overall. The terror groups are still out there and will still target the West... now they have an "excuse" to do it

they dont need an excuse, they didnt in the past and they dont now, they hate the west and thats how they have been for many years and how they will be for many more years.

and the west aren't to fond of them either judging by the celebrations when they die!

 

[PepsiChic]

I think it is revenge. Proper Team America style revenge. Yes they caught the bad man they started out to get but look how many people have died on all sides over the past 10 years as they sought to get him. Just like in Team America where they get the terrorists but destroy Paris lol.

For some it must be good to know that all that fighting has now done SOMETHING - they've got SOMEWHERE.

Really think it doesn't change things overall. The terror groups are still out there and will still target the West... now they have an "excuse" to do it

they dont need an excuse, they didnt in the past and they dont now, they hate the west and thats how they have been for many years and how they will be for many more years.

and the west aren't to fond of them either judging by the celebrations when they die!

true BUT "they started it"

we didnt really have much a problem with them until they started to threaten and bomb innocent people. then it became a personal vendetta against the USA and the Middle East.

 

[xemmax]

I think it is revenge. Proper Team America style revenge. Yes they caught the bad man they started out to get but look how many people have died on all sides over the past 10 years as they sought to get him. Just like in Team America where they get the terrorists but destroy Paris lol.

For some it must be good to know that all that fighting has now done SOMETHING - they've got SOMEWHERE.

Really think it doesn't change things overall. The terror groups are still out there and will still target the West... now they have an "excuse" to do it

this is what i find so sad.. all that has happened, for this? it just doesn't seem worth it

 

[iHeartbaby#1]

I need to stop coming in and reading these comments because it's getting rather ridiculous. I personally think a lot of you are being way too judgemental for just sitting on the sidelines.

How can you say they were enjoying watching the footage of Bin Laden being killed... are you some kind of a mind reader? They may be part of the government but their humans too. I personally think they needed to see the footage and it's not just some flick their watching for the hell of it. You know whenever someone is executed by law there is always a crowd present. Not because the people enjoy it, but because it's PROOF.

As far as the media and mixed stories go... i really doubt their all sitting at a table plotting to deceive the world about how Osama really died. What reason would they have for lying about Osama being armed or unarmed. Or about the lady shielding him being his wife, or his daughter, or even if she was some random chick. Really, what difference would those details really make? The soldiers and agents there had one mission, to kill Bin Laden. They were trying to get the job done and OBVIOUSLY there was a lot of commotion - it could be hard to get all the facts straight. If you aren't there you can't really accuse people of lying, can you? Give them the benefit of the doubt.

People are happy a major criminal who killed lots of innocent people and destroyed loving families is dead. If you want to be happy and keep it to yourself, great. If other people are so happy they are partying in the streets, who cares?? People were partying when Hitler died too and i think it's a good enough reason to rejoice and celebrate if they want to. Don't compare them to murderers just for being a little... over enthusiastic. That's just not fair.

 

[ttc_lolly]

Death is in some peoples eyes is justice.

But if they had captured him, put him on trial, so that we he can be accountable for everything he had done and made the world aware of the atrocities he orchestrated and then punished him...that wouldve been something amazing to shout about!

Totally agree with this. He should have stood trial and I think it should have happened in Afghanistan, like Saddam in Iraq. Everyone forgets how much he harmed untold numbers of Afghan people and what his actions have done to their country.

This is obviously based on conspiracy theories again but bear with me... In all of his original videos after 9/11 Bin Laden said he was not behind it. He said he wished he was and that if he was he would admit it like he admitted everything else he'd done. I know that's disgusting, as is everything that we've heard that he did. Then he disappeared for a while, the Mid-East news reported a few times that he was dead and that seemed very likely. THEN, a year or two later new videos emerged, he didn't quite look the same, the quality was worse and many people said they were fake...many were not even videos, just voice recordings. In these he was suddenly saying it was him. I'm not saying he wasn't behind it I'm just saying what's been said.

So, rather than just killing him with one bullet as justice for 9/11... why not put him on trial, show all the evidence, show the evidence for everything else he'd done and punish him for ALL of his bad actions including 9/11 once the evidence is shown in front of him, a jury, the world and the country he played such a huge part in destroying? The Afghan people deserved to see him brought to justice just as much as the families of 9/11 victims did.

They should have made him stand trial in a Shariah court - get him to account for everything... why he denied it, why he then took responsibility for it, what extent he was behind all Al Qaeda attacks AND then be able to bring out the names of the people he had carrying those things out for him...! The penalty would still have been death, but many more questions would have been answered and more people given a fraction of the closure they deserved.

All there is now is a closed door in front of Al Qaeda like there always was, whereas taking him into custody and making him stand trial could have helped the world break through that door in a way they haven't been able to so far and probably never will now!

That's what makes me think there's so much more to it. Whether or not they did really kill him the other day they would never have let him stand trial for fear of what would come out... let's not forget that it was the USA that trained him and put him in place in Afghanistan in the first place.

this word for word well said!!

 

[xemmax]

I think it is revenge. Proper Team America style revenge. Yes they caught the bad man they started out to get but look how many people have died on all sides over the past 10 years as they sought to get him. Just like in Team America where they get the terrorists but destroy Paris lol.

For some it must be good to know that all that fighting has now done SOMETHING - they've got SOMEWHERE.

Really think it doesn't change things overall. The terror groups are still out there and will still target the West... now they have an "excuse" to do it

they dont need an excuse, they didnt in the past and they dont now, they hate the west and thats how they have been for many years and how they will be for many more years.

and the west aren't to fond of them either judging by the celebrations when they die!

true BUT "they started it"

we didnt really have much a problem with them until they started to threaten and bomb innocent people. then it became a personal vendetta against the USA and the Middle East.

i know what you mean, although technically i don't think they did start it, their attacks are usually revenge attacks.

i really hope this doesn't sound in any way like i'm defending them. just that their countries have suffered at the hands of the west for a long time.

 

[KittyVentura]

I think it is revenge. Proper Team America style revenge. Yes they caught the bad man they started out to get but look how many people have died on all sides over the past 10 years as they sought to get him. Just like in Team America where they get the terrorists but destroy Paris lol.

For some it must be good to know that all that fighting has now done SOMETHING - they've got SOMEWHERE.

Really think it doesn't change things overall. The terror groups are still out there and will still target the West... now they have an "excuse" to do it

this is what i find so sad.. all that has happened, for this? it just doesn't seem worth it

I know, it's very sad. I just think that for some the celebration is in feeling like these 10 yrs of fighting have finally "achieved" something rather than it being about the joy at the actual death. I hope so at least - Celebrating death makes me lose a bit more faith in humanity (but then I do not think of death as a punishment... it's such an easy way out - once dead you don't have to face up to the things you have done)

x

 

[xemmax]

I need to stop coming in and reading these comments because it's getting rather ridiculous. I personally think a lot of you are being way too judgemental for just sitting on the sidelines.

How can you say they were enjoying watching the footage of Bin Laden being killed... are you some kind of a mind reader? They may be part of the government but their humans too. I personally think they needed to see the footage and it's not just some flick their watching for the hell of it. You know whenever someone is executed by law there is always a crowd present. Not because the people enjoy it, but because it's PROOF.

As far as the media and mixed stories go... i really doubt their all sitting on a table plotting to deceive the world about how Osama really died. What reason would they have for lying about Osama being armed or unarmed. Or about the lady shielding him being his wife, or his daughter, or even if she was some random chick. Really, what difference would those details really make? The soldiers and agents there had one mission, to kill Bin Laden. They were trying to get the job done and OBVIOUSLY there was a lot of commotion - it could be hard to get all the facts straight. If you aren't there you can't really accuse people of lying, can you? Give them the benefit of the doubt.

People are happy a major criminal who killed lots of innocent people and destroyed loving families is dead. If you want to be happy and keep it to yourself, great. If other people are so happy they are partying in the streets, who cares?? People were partying when Hitler died too and i think it's a good enough reason to rejoice and celebrate if they want to. Don't compare them to murderers just for being a little... over enthusiastic. That's just not fair.

no one said he was enjoying it! the issue surrounds whether you feel it is appropriate to watch - not how it makes them 'feel'.

it is incredibly naive to believe that the information they allow the media to report is not very carefully released. the whole 'story' that is reported will contain and exclude facts at the discresion of the people who know them - as it is imperative that the story is received by the public in such a way that will meet acceptance and agreement.

you are wrong, the mission wasn't to kill bin laden. it was to capture him. of course it is important whether he was armed, unarmed, who was shiedling him, because people want to know whether they can agree that it was right that he should be killed. if he was unarmed with his hands in the air and they shot him then people would be outraged - if he was holding a gun and about to fire then it would be accepted that they had to shoot to prevent further injuries.

it's not that people are comparing those who celebrate to murderers, it's that they are trying to make the point that we should be leading by our own example, not behaving like those we are condemning.

 

[Samemka]

I need to stop coming in and reading these comments because it's getting rather ridiculous. I personally think a lot of you are being way too judgemental for just sitting on the sidelines.

How can you say they were enjoying watching the footage of Bin Laden being killed... are you some kind of a mind reader? They may be part of the government but their humans too. I personally think they needed to see the footage and it's not just some flick their watching for the hell of it. You know whenever someone is executed by law there is always a crowd present. Not because the people enjoy it, but because it's PROOF.

As far as the media and mixed stories go... i really doubt their all sitting on a table plotting to deceive the world about how Osama really died. What reason would they have for lying about Osama being armed or unarmed. Or about the lady shielding him being his wife, or his daughter, or even if she was some random chick. Really, what difference would those details really make? The soldiers and agents there had one mission, to kill Bin Laden. They were trying to get the job done and OBVIOUSLY there was a lot of commotion - it could be hard to get all the facts straight. If you aren't there you can't really accuse people of lying, can you? Give them the benefit of the doubt.

People are happy a major criminal who killed lots of innocent people and destroyed loving families is dead. If you want to be happy and keep it to yourself, great. If other people are so happy they are partying in the streets, who cares?? People were partying when Hitler died too and i think it's a good enough reason to rejoice and celebrate if they want to. Don't compare them to murderers just for being a little... over enthusiastic. That's just not fair.

This is where I have to disagree. If only a few, select people knew what exactly happened, how do the facts get so twisted? Surely it's a case of the commander or whoever saying 'this is what happened'. Originally, Obama said Bin Laden died in a 'fire-fight'. They then said in the next press-release he died 'cowering behind his wife', who was used as a 'human-shield'. They said they wanted to take him alive but he resisted arrest. And now they've said, well actually, he wasn't armed after all. So.....where did the whole fire-fight, cowering behind his wife come from if it clearly NEVER happened? I find it extremely hard to believe (well, impossible) that this elite group of people sent in the kill the words most notorious terrorist would be led by someone who 'got confused' about what happened when reporting back to The President. That's not 'confusion' - those 'facts' that were first put out were, as far as I'm concerned, lies! The change of stories isn't from the media twisting words either, I could find on youtube direct videos for all of these things being said by Obama/other politicans. If it wasn't so serious it'd be laughable how the story changes so much day by day!

So when you say you find it hard to believe they've sat plotting how to deceive the world....I fnd it hard to believe how 'facts' can get SO twisted if only a handful of people knew. Obama was explicit in what happened, he didn't hint at uncertainty - which yes, is his job - but the excuse that they got 'confused' does not wash with me!

 

[indy and lara]

I need to stop coming in and reading these comments because it's getting rather ridiculous. I personally think a lot of you are being way too judgemental for just sitting on the sidelines.

How can you say they were enjoying watching the footage of Bin Laden being killed... are you some kind of a mind reader? They may be part of the government but their humans too. I personally think they needed to see the footage and it's not just some flick their watching for the hell of it. You know whenever someone is executed by law there is always a crowd present. Not because the people enjoy it, but because it's PROOF.

As far as the media and mixed stories go... i really doubt their all sitting on a table plotting to deceive the world about how Osama really died. What reason would they have for lying about Osama being armed or unarmed. Or about the lady shielding him being his wife, or his daughter, or even if she was some random chick. Really, what difference would those details really make? The soldiers and agents there had one mission, to kill Bin Laden. They were trying to get the job done and OBVIOUSLY there was a lot of commotion - it could be hard to get all the facts straight. If you aren't there you can't really accuse people of lying, can you? Give them the benefit of the doubt.

People are happy a major criminal who killed lots of innocent people and destroyed loving families is dead. If you want to be happy and keep it to yourself, great. If other people are so happy they are partying in the streets, who cares?? People were partying when Hitler died too and i think it's a good enough reason to rejoice and celebrate if they want to. Don't compare them to murderers just for being a little... over enthusiastic. That's just not fair.

no one said he was enjoying it! the issue surrounds whether you feel it is appropriate to watch - not how it makes them 'feel'.

it is incredibly naive to believe that the information they allow the media to report is not very carefully released. the whole 'story' that is reported will contain and exclude facts at the discresion of the people who know them - as it is imperative that the story is received by the public in such a way that will meet acceptance and agreement.

you are wrong, the mission wasn't to kill bin laden. it was to capture him. of course it is important whether he was armed, unarmed, who was shiedling him, because people want to know whether they can agree that it was right that he should be killed. if he was unarmed with his hands in the air and they shot him then people would be outraged - if he was holding a gun and about to fire then it would be accepted that they had to shoot to prevent further injuries. it's not that people are comparing those who celebrate to murderers, it's that they are trying to make the point that we should be leading by our own example, not behaving like those we are condemning.

This is really important. If it turns out that Bin Laden was unarmed then I do believe that questions do need to be asked about the mission. It is very different to shoot someone who is armed and ready to attack than it is to shoot someone who is not armed.

 

[ttc_lolly]

iheartbaby - governments deceive us all, all the time. for what ever reasons, it DOES happen! maybe they think it's for the best, that the people only need to know a certain amount etc but it really does happen. there's proof out there!

 

[Samemka]

[This is really important. If it turns out that Bin Laden was unarmed then I do believe that questions do need to be asked about the mission. It is very different to shoot someone who is armed and ready to attack than it is to shoot someone who is not armed.

The White House admitted he was unarmed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rskFwlCJ2x0

What I don't understand is the need to say he WAS armed then admit he wasn't. Because not only is being unarmed going to cause outrage, so is the fact the story has been changed. And let's face it......once they've said the story of what happened, why change it......who is going to come out & say 'actually this happened'? Bin Laden's daughter (apparantly) said he was captured & then shot but I bet not a lot of people would belive her if the US had stuck to their original story. It just makes me wonder why they needed to backtrack.

 

[iHeartbaby#1]

I need to stop coming in and reading these comments because it's getting rather ridiculous. I personally think a lot of you are being way too judgemental for just sitting on the sidelines.

How can you say they were enjoying watching the footage of Bin Laden being killed... are you some kind of a mind reader? They may be part of the government but their humans too. I personally think they needed to see the footage and it's not just some flick their watching for the hell of it. You know whenever someone is executed by law there is always a crowd present. Not because the people enjoy it, but because it's PROOF.

As far as the media and mixed stories go... i really doubt their all sitting on a table plotting to deceive the world about how Osama really died. What reason would they have for lying about Osama being armed or unarmed. Or about the lady shielding him being his wife, or his daughter, or even if she was some random chick. Really, what difference would those details really make? The soldiers and agents there had one mission, to kill Bin Laden. They were trying to get the job done and OBVIOUSLY there was a lot of commotion - it could be hard to get all the facts straight. If you aren't there you can't really accuse people of lying, can you? Give them the benefit of the doubt.

People are happy a major criminal who killed lots of innocent people and destroyed loving families is dead. If you want to be happy and keep it to yourself, great. If other people are so happy they are partying in the streets, who cares?? People were partying when Hitler died too and i think it's a good enough reason to rejoice and celebrate if they want to. Don't compare them to murderers just for being a little... over enthusiastic. That's just not fair.

no one said he was enjoying it! the issue surrounds whether you feel it is appropriate to watch - not how it makes them 'feel'.

it is incredibly naive to believe that the information they allow the media to report is not very carefully released. the whole 'story' that is reported will contain and exclude facts at the discresion of the people who know them - as it is imperative that the story is received by the public in such a way that will meet acceptance and agreement.

you are wrong, the mission wasn't to kill bin laden. it was to capture him. of course it is important whether he was armed, unarmed, who was shiedling him, because people want to know whether they can agree that it was right that he should be killed. if he was unarmed with his hands in the air and they shot him then people would be outraged - if he was holding a gun and about to fire then it would be accepted that they had to shoot to prevent further injuries.

it's not that people are comparing those who celebrate to murderers, it's that they are trying to make the point that we should be leading by our own example, not behaving like those we are condemning.

Well by saying they needed popcorn and all that it sounded to me people were saying they were enjoying it like they went out for a date to the movies. Sorry if i interpreted that wrong?

I agree that the media does those things, especially to make the story more interesting to gain more viewers. But i'm not gonna sit here and make accusations or try to pick through it. I'm gonna take it as I hear it, and hope it's close to the truth. There's not much else anyone can do really. I personally don't care about all the nitty gritty details... I do believe that Osama Bin Laden is dead and that's all that counts.

By saying they are "behaving like those we are condemning"... they are in fact comparing them to murderers. Think about that phrase for a minute, then tell me i'm wrong.

 

[louandivy]

It is the same mentality though. Terrorists genuinely believe that Westerners are evil and that we deserve to die (obviously they are insane and wrong but regardless...) just as people feel that Bin Laden deserved it. To me, NO ONE deserves to die.

 

[xemmax]

I need to stop coming in and reading these comments because it's getting rather ridiculous. I personally think a lot of you are being way too judgemental for just sitting on the sidelines.

How can you say they were enjoying watching the footage of Bin Laden being killed... are you some kind of a mind reader? They may be part of the government but their humans too. I personally think they needed to see the footage and it's not just some flick their watching for the hell of it. You know whenever someone is executed by law there is always a crowd present. Not because the people enjoy it, but because it's PROOF.

As far as the media and mixed stories go... i really doubt their all sitting on a table plotting to deceive the world about how Osama really died. What reason would they have for lying about Osama being armed or unarmed. Or about the lady shielding him being his wife, or his daughter, or even if she was some random chick. Really, what difference would those details really make? The soldiers and agents there had one mission, to kill Bin Laden. They were trying to get the job done and OBVIOUSLY there was a lot of commotion - it could be hard to get all the facts straight. If you aren't there you can't really accuse people of lying, can you? Give them the benefit of the doubt.

People are happy a major criminal who killed lots of innocent people and destroyed loving families is dead. If you want to be happy and keep it to yourself, great. If other people are so happy they are partying in the streets, who cares?? People were partying when Hitler died too and i think it's a good enough reason to rejoice and celebrate if they want to. Don't compare them to murderers just for being a little... over enthusiastic. That's just not fair.

no one said he was enjoying it! the issue surrounds whether you feel it is appropriate to watch - not how it makes them 'feel'.

it is incredibly naive to believe that the information they allow the media to report is not very carefully released. the whole 'story' that is reported will contain and exclude facts at the discresion of the people who know them - as it is imperative that the story is received by the public in such a way that will meet acceptance and agreement.

you are wrong, the mission wasn't to kill bin laden. it was to capture him. of course it is important whether he was armed, unarmed, who was shiedling him, because people want to know whether they can agree that it was right that he should be killed. if he was unarmed with his hands in the air and they shot him then people would be outraged - if he was holding a gun and about to fire then it would be accepted that they had to shoot to prevent further injuries.

it's not that people are comparing those who celebrate to murderers, it's that they are trying to make the point that we should be leading by our own example, not behaving like those we are condemning.

Well by saying they needed popcorn and all that it sounded to me people were saying they were enjoying it like they went out for a date to the movies. Sorry if i interpreted that wrong?

I agree that the media does those things, especially to make the story more interesting to gain more viewers. But i'm not gonna sit here and make accusations or try to pick through it. I'm gonna take it as I hear it, and hope it's close to the truth. There's not much else anyone can do really. I personally don't care about all the nitty gritty details... I do believe that Osama Bin Laden is dead and that's all that counts.

By saying they are "behaving like those we are condemning"... they are in fact comparing them to murderers. Think about that phrase for a minute, then tell me i'm wrong.

i think the thing is that people are losing so much faith in this story the more that it is being changed. even those who initially believed what was being reported are now becoming curious - there are just too many versions out there now for anyone to put their faith into. no one knows what the hell went on there, not even the media, it seems.

 

[Samemka]

By saying they are "behaving like those we are condemning"... they are in fact comparing them to murderers. Think about that phrase for a minute, then tell me i'm wrong.

They are behaving like those we condem; in the most basic sense that the crowds we saw cheering for his death were celebrating/showing joy over the death of another person!

They aren't ACTING like those we condem & that's the key difference.

 

[xemmax]

It is the same mentality though. Terrorists genuinely believe that Westerners are evil and that we deserve to die (obviously they are insane and wrong but regardless...) just as people feel that Bin Laden deserved it. To me, NO ONE deserves to die.

exactly, as they see it they are doing a service by ridding the world of us westeners. we believe we're doing a service by ridding the world of them. no difference.

 

[xemmax]

By saying they are "behaving like those we are condemning"... they are in fact comparing them to murderers. Think about that phrase for a minute, then tell me i'm wrong.

They are behaving like those we condem; in the most basic sense that the crowds we saw cheering for his death were celebrating/showing joy over the death of another person.

They aren't ACTING like those we condem & that's the key difference.

exactly this.