OT - Usama Bin Laden is DEAD!

[AlwaysPraying]

Don't we all agree that he would have been sentenced to death in the end anyways? I don't want a dime of my tax money going towards housing and feeding this guy, while we take care of him through the process.

It's done and no one can change that (so they say). Can you imagine what people would be saying and doing if he was captured? People would be burning down the jail, and fighting the people to get to him. Capture, food, sleep and warmth are all too good for him. There really is no good answer, at least with death there is no alternative.

 

[Lightworker]

OBL did some vile things but I think, in the midst of dancing and cheering on that moral highground, people MUST remember that legitimate governments have done many atrocious acts yet they are not called up on it. To the innocent Afghans caught up in the War on Terror, the West are also terrorists. OBL may be the vilest man that you KNOW OF, but if all truths were to be revealed you may find him lower down on the list. Before one takes the speck out of his brothers eye he must take the log out of his own.

 

[TwilightAgain]

Death is in some peoples eyes is justice.

But if they had captured him, put him on trial, so that we he can be accountable for everything he had done and made the world aware of the atrocities he orchestrated and then punished him...that wouldve been something amazing to shout about!

Yes but then we would have had kidnappings and hostages to worry about. These people are sick, beheading someone is like the norm for them. Why risk the lives of even more innocent people?

 

[TwilightAgain]

the problems with capturing him are these:

where would he go? The USA, the UK, Kenya and the entire middle east would want to have him as their prisoner to stand trial in THEIR country to stand trail for the crimes he committed against THEM.

obviously he cant be everywhere at once.

secondly once hes been convicted, what is his punishment and again WHO gets to do it and WHERE.

and lastly if he excuted where would he be imprisoned and for how long and what are the chances of his escape.

and regardless the moment he would of been taken captive his followers would of been attacking people int he country he would of gotten taken to in an attempt to free him.

its a very difficult thing to decide and the navy seals had to make a judgement call...try and capture him when hes refused to go with them, and have to face anyone else in the building who is armed.

or kill him.

i think considering the circumstances (which we only know a very small part of) they made the best decision they could at the time. yes its an easy way out for him if you want to look at it that way...but at the same time, he wasnt done with his terrorist activities yet so we ruined that for him. he didnt want to die he coward behind someone. so even if a bullet to the head was easy...he didnt want it to happen and he didnt have a choice.

i understand what you're saying, and of course it would be very complicated, i agree.

but you're talking as if it's all over now, done and dusted, osama is dead so that's the end of that, which in my opinion could not be any further from the truth.

one door may have closed, but another, bigger and darker may have opened.

i truly believe this is the start of something, not the end.

Thats whats so scary

 

[indy and lara]

Y

I'm going to tread lightly, but I find it fascinating that people are cheering about the murder of one man. He is a symbol of what happened in the States, yes, he may have had a part in it, or was the one who initiated it, but in the past ten years, terrorism in North America and the "war on terrorism" has turned into something else entirely. So, yes, in a symbolic way, it is "good" this man was killed, but will it change anything? No, certainly not. Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, wars begun for one reason and continued for entirely a different.

I was honestly shocked at the reaction I saw on tv from the americans. Cheering, singing, happiness. I just don't get it. How do I explain the murder of one man is something to celebrate? I, personally, don't believe in "an eye for an eye" method of being.

I think the Americans have more than enough right to be cheering and celebrating his death. Thousands of them would have lost loved ones that day, if a member of my family was murdered by a heartless piece of scum like him, i'd sure as hell be dancing on his grave (not literally but you get my point) because he was dead. I'd be celebrating like hell, its justice for all those poor people - they deserve it after the hell they went through.

He was responsible for the deaths of people of mant nations. Not only Americans died in the WTC but there are not celebrations in London or France,etc.

 

[TwilightAgain]

Y

I'm going to tread lightly, but I find it fascinating that people are cheering about the murder of one man. He is a symbol of what happened in the States, yes, he may have had a part in it, or was the one who initiated it, but in the past ten years, terrorism in North America and the "war on terrorism" has turned into something else entirely. So, yes, in a symbolic way, it is "good" this man was killed, but will it change anything? No, certainly not. Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, wars begun for one reason and continued for entirely a different.

I was honestly shocked at the reaction I saw on tv from the americans. Cheering, singing, happiness. I just don't get it. How do I explain the murder of one man is something to celebrate? I, personally, don't believe in "an eye for an eye" method of being.

I think the Americans have more than enough right to be cheering and celebrating his death. Thousands of them would have lost loved ones that day, if a member of my family was murdered by a heartless piece of scum like him, i'd sure as hell be dancing on his grave (not literally but you get my point) because he was dead. I'd be celebrating like hell, its justice for all those poor people - they deserve it after the hell they went through.

He was responsible for the deaths of people of mant nations. Not only Americans died in the WTC but there are not celebrations in London or France,etc.

I understand that. I've just been looking at footage of the London bombings but I only mentioned America because they suffered a loss for 3000 (regardless, a loss is a loss I know) but I can see why they are celebrating.

 

[Lellow]

Now he is dead, noone will ever know who was ACTUALLY responsible for the terrorism!

 

[Samemka]

Whilst I totally agree that Osama SHOULD have stool trial, I'm guessing the Government's concern that was alive, he would pose more of a 'threat' - kidnappings/hostage takings etc to 'bargain' for his release.

I'm not saying this is right - it could apply to any criminal, but I think how notorious he was plays a bit part.

And it's a few pages ago I mentioned this & the thread has moved quickly but I just wanted to say with regards to people saying that the media can put a spin on a story so it seems like the Government are changing their tune all the time.....yes, the media can, but all of the backtracking that I've seen comes from direct Government speeches/press conferences - the media aren't skewing anything there, we can see for ourselves that each day the story has changed. And yes, very few people will have known what went on....but surely that makes telling an accurate story EASIER not harder?!

 

[Samemka]

Just reading some of the more recent posts & this has bothered me from the start of this story breaking, the whole 'it's justice for people who died in 'x' bombing/attack'

How is it justice? He is just ONE person in a HUGE group of very sick minded individuals. But even if every single person involved in an attack was killed, to me that wouldn't be justice........this eye for an eye mentality, IMO, belittles how it must feel to lose someone. I think to myself, heaven forbid if anything ever happened to someone in my family, but would I feel that justice had been done if the person responsible was killed? No. I still have to deal with their loss. I don't know, I just think 'justice has been done' is a little offensive (not aimed at anyone on here, I heard this alot from various people when the story broke)

 

[TwilightAgain]

Just reading some of the more recent posts & this has bothered me from the start of this story breaking, the whole 'it's justice for people who died in 'x' bombing/attack'

How is it justice? He is just ONE person in a HUGE group of very sick minded individuals. But even if every single person involved in an attack was killed, to me that wouldn't be justice........this eye for an eye mentality, IMO, belittles how it must feel to lose someone. I think to myself, heaven forbid if anything ever happened to someone in my family, but would I feel that justice had been done if the person responsible was killed? No. I still have to deal with their loss. I don't know, I just think 'justice has been done' is a little offensive (not aimed at anyone on here, I heard this alot from various people when the story broke)

I largely use this word to describe why i'm ok with it and you're right its the wrong word to use. I'm not sure what word i'm looking for, closure maybe for the families? There was a word which described what I meant but I forgot what it was so I used justice instead (I know you didn't aim it at anyone in particular but i've said that quite a bit though I shouldn't have....I just don't know how else to phrase what I mean ).

 

[xemmax]

Just reading some of the more recent posts & this has bothered me from the start of this story breaking, the whole 'it's justice for people who died in 'x' bombing/attack'

How is it justice? He is just ONE person in a HUGE group of very sick minded individuals. But even if every single person involved in an attack was killed, to me that wouldn't be justice........this eye for an eye mentality, IMO, belittles how it must feel to lose someone. I think to myself, heaven forbid if anything ever happened to someone in my family, but would I feel that justice had been done if the person responsible was killed? No. I still have to deal with their loss. I don't know, I just think 'justice has been done' is a little offensive (not aimed at anyone on here, I heard this alot from various people when the story broke)

yup - it isn't justice, it's revenge.

 

[PepsiChic]

twighlightagain...i too am happy that he is dead, but there is a wrong and right way to go about everything and throwing parties in the street, to me personally, is not the right way to go about it.

be happy that hes dead, yes by all means, but dont go celebrating a persons death or execution no matter how evil they are.

thats just my opinion, thats how i feel.

i dont need to see video of the twin towers collpasing, or hear the phone calls people made. I know it happened. I know people died. My parents were on the tube train in London when the 7/7 attacks happened. They got lucky.

but im not going to lower myself to any level by celebrating a persons death. I dont want my son to grow up thinking that is normal or OK. because in my opinion its not. the joy of Usamas death is a joy that should be private.

 

[TwilightAgain]

twighlightagain...i too am happy that he is dead, but there is a wrong and right way to go about everything and throwing parties in the street, to me personally, is not the right way to go about it.

be happy that hes dead, yes by all means, but dont go celebrating a persons death or execution no matter how evil they are.

thats just my opinion, thats how i feel.

i dont need to see video of the twin towers collpasing, or hear the phone calls people made. I know it happened. I know people died. My parents were on the tube train in London when the 7/7 attacks happened. They got lucky.

but im not going to lower myself to any level by celebrating a persons death. I dont want my son to grow up thinking that is normal or OK. because in my opinion its not. the joy of Usamas death is a joy that should be private.

Thats ok, we'll agree to disagree

Your parents certainly were lucky. I'm glad they're ok. I seen a video of footage with people on the tube who were stuck behind the one that got bombed, those people were blessed. I feel for anyone stuck on the tubes that day. It must have been awful

 

[indy and lara]

Y

I'm going to tread lightly, but I find it fascinating that people are cheering about the murder of one man. He is a symbol of what happened in the States, yes, he may have had a part in it, or was the one who initiated it, but in the past ten years, terrorism in North America and the "war on terrorism" has turned into something else entirely. So, yes, in a symbolic way, it is "good" this man was killed, but will it change anything? No, certainly not. Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, wars begun for one reason and continued for entirely a different.

I was honestly shocked at the reaction I saw on tv from the americans. Cheering, singing, happiness. I just don't get it. How do I explain the murder of one man is something to celebrate? I, personally, don't believe in "an eye for an eye" method of being.

I think the Americans have more than enough right to be cheering and celebrating his death. Thousands of them would have lost loved ones that day, if a member of my family was murdered by a heartless piece of scum like him, i'd sure as hell be dancing on his grave (not literally but you get my point) because he was dead. I'd be celebrating like hell, its justice for all those poor people - they deserve it after the hell they went through.

He was responsible for the deaths of people of mant nations. Not only Americans died in the WTC but there are not celebrations in London or France,etc.

Just reading some of the more recent posts & this has bothered me from the start of this story breaking, the whole 'it's justice for people who died in 'x' bombing/attack'

How is it justice? He is just ONE person in a HUGE group of very sick minded individuals. But even if every single person involved in an attack was killed, to me that wouldn't be justice........this eye for an eye mentality, IMO, belittles how it must feel to lose someone. I think to myself, heaven forbid if anything ever happened to someone in my family, but would I feel that justice had been done if the person responsible was killed? No. I still have to deal with their loss. I don't know, I just think 'justice has been done' is a little offensive (not aimed at anyone on here, I heard this alot from various people when the story broke)

Y

I'm going to tread lightly, but I find it fascinating that people are cheering about the murder of one man. He is a symbol of what happened in the States, yes, he may have had a part in it, or was the one who initiated it, but in the past ten years, terrorism in North America and the "war on terrorism" has turned into something else entirely. So, yes, in a symbolic way, it is "good" this man was killed, but will it change anything? No, certainly not. Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, wars begun for one reason and continued for entirely a different.

I was honestly shocked at the reaction I saw on tv from the americans. Cheering, singing, happiness. I just don't get it. How do I explain the murder of one man is something to celebrate? I, personally, don't believe in "an eye for an eye" method of being.

I think the Americans have more than enough right to be cheering and celebrating his death. Thousands of them would have lost loved ones that day, if a member of my family was murdered by a heartless piece of scum like him, i'd sure as hell be dancing on his grave (not literally but you get my point) because he was dead. I'd be celebrating like hell, its justice for all those poor people - they deserve it after the hell they went through.

He was responsible for the deaths of people of many nations. Not only Americans died in the WTC but there are not celebrations in London or France,etc.

I understand that. I've just been looking at footage of the London bombings but I only mentioned America because they suffered a loss for 3000 (regardless, a loss is a loss I know) but I can see why they are celebrating.

I'm not really just meaning you but thank you for answering. In general I wonder what the difference is? Why these celebrations are only in one of the countries who were affected?

I too do not believe in eye for eye 'justice'. What makes us better than all those who take the lives of others. I said somewhere else that I do wonder if you feel differently about it depending on your belief in heaven and hell? If you do believe there is a hell then do you see Bin Laden as suffering for what he did through all eternity? That is his punishment. If you don't believe in hell then he is just dead while your pain continues?

 

[indy and lara]

Duplicate. Still can't work out multi quote. Sorry for mess in post above too

 

[Samemka]

Just reading some of the more recent posts & this has bothered me from the start of this story breaking, the whole 'it's justice for people who died in 'x' bombing/attack'

How is it justice? He is just ONE person in a HUGE group of very sick minded individuals. But even if every single person involved in an attack was killed, to me that wouldn't be justice........this eye for an eye mentality, IMO, belittles how it must feel to lose someone. I think to myself, heaven forbid if anything ever happened to someone in my family, but would I feel that justice had been done if the person responsible was killed? No. I still have to deal with their loss. I don't know, I just think 'justice has been done' is a little offensive (not aimed at anyone on here, I heard this alot from various people when the story broke)

I largely use this word to describe why i'm ok with it and you're right its the wrong word to use. I'm not sure what word i'm looking for, closure maybe for the families? There was a word which described what I meant but I forgot what it was so I used justice instead (I know you didn't aim it at anyone in particular but i've said that quite a bit though I shouldn't have....I just don't know how else to phrase what I mean ).

I know what you mean....I imagine it must bring 'something' for people affected but it's very hard to put into words what that something is. Maybe because I'm not one of those affected.

Without sounding morbid as hell, when I saw those pics of people celebrating his death I thought to myself 'they won't be celebrating soon'. When I say 'soon' I don't know how long it will be, but being brutally honest here, those scenes are reminiscent of scenes I saw of people celebrating 9/11 & look what happened....it got a whole lot worse. I don't think it will ever get better, but I have a feeling it will get worse.

 

[Samemka]

I too do not believe in eye for eye 'justice'. What makes us better than all those who take the lives of others. I said somewhere else that I do wonder if you feel differently about it depending on your belief in heaven and hell? If you do believe there is a hell then do you see Bin Laden as suffering for what he did through all eternity? That is his punishment. If you don't believe in hell then he is just dead while your pain continues?

I like this explanation

 

[PepsiChic]

I know what you mean....I imagine it must bring 'something' for people affected but it's very hard to put into words what that something is. Maybe because I'm not one of those affected.

Without sounding morbid as hell, when I saw those pics of people celebrating his death I thought to myself 'they won't be celebrating soon'. When I say 'soon' I don't know how long it will be, but being brutally honest here, those scenes are reminiscent of scenes I saw of people celebrating 9/11 & look what happened....it got a whole lot worse. I don't think it will ever get better, but I have a feeling it will get worse.

revenge.

i hate to say it but those who celebrate Usamas death are happy for the revenge of their friend/family members death. those who were happy in private probably felt peace.

 

[Samemka]

I know what you mean....I imagine it must bring 'something' for people affected but it's very hard to put into words what that something is. Maybe because I'm not one of those affected.

Without sounding morbid as hell, when I saw those pics of people celebrating his death I thought to myself 'they won't be celebrating soon'. When I say 'soon' I don't know how long it will be, but being brutally honest here, those scenes are reminiscent of scenes I saw of people celebrating 9/11 & look what happened....it got a whole lot worse. I don't think it will ever get better, but I have a feeling it will get worse.

revenge.

i hate to say it but those who celebrate Usamas death are happy for the revenge of their friend/family members death. those who were happy in private probably felt peace.

It probably is a feeling of revenge. I can't understand that because it's not just one person behind it all - I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that OBL didn't even think up the 9/11 attacks, it was someone else. But then like I say, I'm lucky not to 'know' anyone affected by terrorism so I suppose I can't judge.

 

[ouchwithNo.2]

hmmmm
I don't see it as revenge.
He like many other extremists never has or never will give two hoots about the innocents he kills or the hate they preach.
They are a danger to society, twisted, evil and would happily let their own child take a bullet for them. They simply don't care.
Hitler, Stalin, Josef Mengele, Saddam, Pol Pot, Osama... the list goes on. Evil people throughout history.
Why should they live? Why should ANY government have to pay what would be millions and millions of pounds / dollars whatever to keep someone like that 'safe' in prison/confinement for the rest of their lives?
We all know how much it costs to keep high risk prisoners like Charles Bronson tucked up at night and he is hardly in the same league at Bin Laden.
Sorry if this is outspoken but honestly where was the remorse when they flew the planes into the WTC? OR blew up people on July 7th? Or the spanish attacks? Or the Kurds?
It wont ever stop, we all know that, but whilst they are alive they have the power and the control to continue with their evil and if they were locked up then that Country would be a target purely for holding him/her prisoner.
Good on the American forces for bringing and end to this 'humans' life.