OT - Usama Bin Laden is DEAD!

[littlestar85]

Death is in some peoples eyes is justice.

But if they had captured him, put him on trial, so that we he can be accountable for everything he had done and made the world aware of the atrocities he orchestrated and then punished him...that wouldve been something amazing to shout about!

Totally agree with this. He should have stood trial and I think it should have happened in Afghanistan, like Saddam in Iraq. Everyone forgets how much he harmed untold numbers of Afghan people and what his actions have done to their country.

This is obviously based on conspiracy theories again but bear with me... In all of his original videos after 9/11 Bin Laden said he was not behind it. He said he wished he was and that if he was he would admit it like he admitted everything else he'd done. I know that's disgusting, as is everything that we've heard that he did. Then he disappeared for a while, the Mid-East news reported a few times that he was dead and that seemed very likely. THEN, a year or two later new videos emerged, he didn't quite look the same, the quality was worse and many people said they were fake...many were not even videos, just voice recordings. In these he was suddenly saying it was him. I'm not saying he wasn't behind it I'm just saying what's been said.

So, rather than just killing him with one bullet as justice for 9/11... why not put him on trial, show all the evidence, show the evidence for everything else he'd done and punish him for ALL of his bad actions including 9/11 once the evidence is shown in front of him, a jury, the world and the country he played such a huge part in destroying? The Afghan people deserved to see him brought to justice just as much as the families of 9/11 victims did.

They should have made him stand trial in a Shariah court - get him to account for everything... why he denied it, why he then took responsibility for it, what extent he was behind all Al Qaeda attacks AND then be able to bring out the names of the people he had carrying those things out for him...! The penalty would still have been death, but many more questions would have been answered and more people given a fraction of the closure they deserved.

All there is now is a closed door in front of Al Qaeda like there always was, whereas taking him into custody and making him stand trial could have helped the world break through that door in a way they haven't been able to so far and probably never will now!

That's what makes me think there's so much more to it. Whether or not they did really kill him the other day they would never have let him stand trial for fear of what would come out... let's not forget that it was the USA that trained him and put him in place in Afghanistan in the first place.

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

Death is in some peoples eyes is justice.

But if they had captured him, put him on trial, so that we he can be accountable for everything he had done and made the world aware of the atrocities he orchestrated and then punished him...that wouldve been something amazing to shout about!

I dont think that would have worked, I dont celebrate death but he DEF needed to go!

 

[Lellow]

Death is in some peoples eyes is justice.

But if they had captured him, put him on trial, so that we he can be accountable for everything he had done and made the world aware of the atrocities he orchestrated and then punished him...that wouldve been something amazing to shout about!

I dont think that would have worked, I dont celebrate death but he DEF needed to go!

Any reason why it wouldnt have worked?

 

[Midnight_Fairy]

Just think he is better of dead. No more silly games, lets face it, he would have managed to escape!

 

[xemmax]

All there is now is a closed door in front of Al Qaeda like there always was, whereas taking him into custody and making him stand trial could have helped the world break through that door in a way they haven't been able to so far and probably never will now!

well said!

 

[PepsiChic]

the problems with capturing him are these:

where would he go? The USA, the UK, Kenya and the entire middle east would want to have him as their prisoner to stand trial in THEIR country to stand trail for the crimes he committed against THEM.

obviously he cant be everywhere at once.

secondly once hes been convicted, what is his punishment and again WHO gets to do it and WHERE.

and lastly if he excuted where would he be imprisoned and for how long and what are the chances of his escape.

and regardless the moment he would of been taken captive his followers would of been attacking people int he country he would of gotten taken to in an attempt to free him.

its a very difficult thing to decide and the navy seals had to make a judgement call...try and capture him when hes refused to go with them, and have to face anyone else in the building who is armed.

or kill him.

i think considering the circumstances (which we only know a very small part of) they made the best decision they could at the time. yes its an easy way out for him if you want to look at it that way...but at the same time, he wasnt done with his terrorist activities yet so we ruined that for him. he didnt want to die he coward behind someone. so even if a bullet to the head was easy...he didnt want it to happen and he didnt have a choice.

 

[iHeartbaby#1]

Death is in some peoples eyes is justice.

But if they had captured him, put him on trial, so that we he can be accountable for everything he had done and made the world aware of the atrocities he orchestrated and then punished him...that wouldve been something amazing to shout about!

I dont think that would have worked, I dont celebrate death but he DEF needed to go!

Any reason why it wouldnt have worked?

Yeah it's what they did with Saddam Hussein...and in my eyes he was a worse man than bin laden. He killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

 

[xemmax]

the problems with capturing him are these:

where would he go? The USA, the UK, Kenya and the entire middle east would want to have him as their prisoner to stand trial in THEIR country to stand trail for the crimes he committed against THEM.

obviously he cant be everywhere at once.

secondly once hes been convicted, what is his punishment and again WHO gets to do it and WHERE.

and lastly if he excuted where would he be imprisoned and for how long and what are the chances of his escape.

and regardless the moment he would of been taken captive his followers would of been attacking people int he country he would of gotten taken to in an attempt to free him.

its a very difficult thing to decide and the navy seals had to make a judgement call...try and capture him when hes refused to go with them, and have to face anyone else in the building who is armed.

or kill him.

i think considering the circumstances (which we only know a very small part of) they made the best decision they could at the time. yes its an easy way out for him if you want to look at it that way...but at the same time, he wasnt done with his terrorist activities yet so we ruined that for him. he didnt want to die he coward behind someone. so even if a bullet to the head was easy...he didnt want it to happen and he didnt have a choice.

i understand what you're saying, and of course it would be very complicated, i agree.

but you're talking as if it's all over now, done and dusted, osama is dead so that's the end of that, which in my opinion could not be any further from the truth.

one door may have closed, but another, bigger and darker may have opened.

i truly believe this is the start of something, not the end.

 

[iHeartbaby#1]

the problems with capturing him are these:

where would he go? The USA, the UK, Kenya and the entire middle east would want to have him as their prisoner to stand trial in THEIR country to stand trail for the crimes he committed against THEM.

obviously he cant be everywhere at once.

secondly once hes been convicted, what is his punishment and again WHO gets to do it and WHERE.

and lastly if he excuted where would he be imprisoned and for how long and what are the chances of his escape.

and regardless the moment he would of been taken captive his followers would of been attacking people int he country he would of gotten taken to in an attempt to free him.

its a very difficult thing to decide and the navy seals had to make a judgement call...try and capture him when hes refused to go with them, and have to face anyone else in the building who is armed.

or kill him.

i think considering the circumstances (which we only know a very small part of) they made the best decision they could at the time. yes its an easy way out for him if you want to look at it that way...but at the same time, he wasnt done with his terrorist activities yet so we ruined that for him. he didnt want to die he coward behind someone. so even if a bullet to the head was easy...he didnt want it to happen and he didnt have a choice.

Isn't it kind of up to the ones who capture him though? They could have at least tried and if problems ensued, killed him. They were a team of experts and if Bin Laden was really unarmed as they are now saying it couldn't have been too difficult.

 

[PepsiChic]

i understand what you're saying, and of course it would be very complicated, i agree.

but you're talking as if it's all over now, done and dusted, osama is dead so that's the end of that, which in my opinion could not be any further from the truth.

one door may have closed, but another, bigger and darker may have opened.

i truly believe this is the start of something, not the end.

i dont think its the end, nowhere near (look at my first post that created this thread) i was just giving my thoughts on if we had captured him alive.

I do think his followers will set tout to get revenge and i think the troops over in the middle east are going to see more suicide attacks and road side bombs. and here in the US and in the UK i think attacks are imminent.

 

[xemmax]

i understand what you're saying, and of course it would be very complicated, i agree.

but you're talking as if it's all over now, done and dusted, osama is dead so that's the end of that, which in my opinion could not be any further from the truth.

one door may have closed, but another, bigger and darker may have opened.

i truly believe this is the start of something, not the end.

i dont think its the end, nowhere near (look at my first post that created this thread) i was just giving my thoughts on if we had captured him alive.

I do think his followers will set tout to get revenge and i think the troops over in the middle east are going to see more suicide attacks and road side bombs. and here in the US and in the UK i think attacks are imminent.

well then i only hope it was worth it for those who ordered it to happen.

 

[TwilightAgain]

I'm going to tread lightly, but I find it fascinating that people are cheering about the murder of one man. He is a symbol of what happened in the States, yes, he may have had a part in it, or was the one who initiated it, but in the past ten years, terrorism in North America and the "war on terrorism" has turned into something else entirely. So, yes, in a symbolic way, it is "good" this man was killed, but will it change anything? No, certainly not. Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, wars begun for one reason and continued for entirely a different.

I was honestly shocked at the reaction I saw on tv from the americans. Cheering, singing, happiness. I just don't get it. How do I explain the murder of one man is something to celebrate? I, personally, don't believe in "an eye for an eye" method of being.

I think the Americans have more than enough right to be cheering and celebrating his death. Thousands of them would have lost loved ones that day, if a member of my family was murdered by a heartless piece of scum like him, i'd sure as hell be dancing on his grave (not literally but you get my point) because he was dead. I'd be celebrating like hell, its justice for all those poor people - they deserve it after the hell they went through.

 

[PepsiChic]

Isn't it kind of up to the ones who capture him though? They could have at least tried and if problems ensued, killed him. They were a team of experts and if Bin Laden was really unarmed as they are now saying it couldn't have been too difficult.

no its not always upto the people who capture him. it depends a lot on circumstances of law and where the terrorist attacks were done and planned etc its a very complicated situation.

and no its not as easy as going into a building and capturing an unarmed person. he had a lot of armed people in that building with him. people who are willing to blow themselves up to take out every one of those navy seal personnel to save their leader. of course they tried to capture him first that was their goal. and if they couldnt do that they were ordered to kill him to ensure he did not get away (again).

 

[louandivy]

I'm going to tread lightly, but I find it fascinating that people are cheering about the murder of one man. He is a symbol of what happened in the States, yes, he may have had a part in it, or was the one who initiated it, but in the past ten years, terrorism in North America and the "war on terrorism" has turned into something else entirely. So, yes, in a symbolic way, it is "good" this man was killed, but will it change anything? No, certainly not. Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, wars begun for one reason and continued for entirely a different.

I was honestly shocked at the reaction I saw on tv from the americans. Cheering, singing, happiness. I just don't get it. How do I explain the murder of one man is something to celebrate? I, personally, don't believe in "an eye for an eye" method of being.

I think the Americans have more than enough right to be cheering and celebrating his death. Thousands of them would have lost loved ones that day, if a member of my family was murdered by a heartless piece of scum like him, i'd sure as hell be dancing on his grave (not literally but you get my point) because he was dead. I'd be celebrating like hell, its justice for all those poor people - they deserve it after the hell they went through.

But how can you consider yourself a morally superior person if you find joy in someone's death? That is what makes us better people than terrorists and murderers.

 

[PepsiChic]

well then i only hope it was worth it for those who ordered it to happen.

sadly i think the attacks were going to happen regardless of if we had captured, killed or not even knew he was there. the terrorists were never going to stop, they are filled with hatred towards the USA. and so will continue to do what they believe is the "right" thing to do.

people wanted Usama dead because they wanted something to believe in. and to pay for the deaths that have happened.

 

[TwilightAgain]

I'm going to tread lightly, but I find it fascinating that people are cheering about the murder of one man. He is a symbol of what happened in the States, yes, he may have had a part in it, or was the one who initiated it, but in the past ten years, terrorism in North America and the "war on terrorism" has turned into something else entirely. So, yes, in a symbolic way, it is "good" this man was killed, but will it change anything? No, certainly not. Look at Vietnam, look at Korea, wars begun for one reason and continued for entirely a different.

I was honestly shocked at the reaction I saw on tv from the americans. Cheering, singing, happiness. I just don't get it. How do I explain the murder of one man is something to celebrate? I, personally, don't believe in "an eye for an eye" method of being.

I think the Americans have more than enough right to be cheering and celebrating his death. Thousands of them would have lost loved ones that day, if a member of my family was murdered by a heartless piece of scum like him, i'd sure as hell be dancing on his grave (not literally but you get my point) because he was dead. I'd be celebrating like hell, its justice for all those poor people - they deserve it after the hell they went through.

But how can you consider yourself a morally superior person if you find joy in someone's death? That is what makes us better people than terrorists and murderers.

Easily and i'm not ashamed of it. If people are questioning why the Americans should have the right to celebrate, maybe they should look back on the 9/11 footage* its sick and twisted. You see people in graphic detail jumping from the building, hanging onto the sides screaming for help. And then theres that guy who was on the phone to the help services when the tower collapsed, you could clearly hear him screaming "ohhh god no". If that was a member of my family, i'd want Bin Laden fried alive ......and i'm not normally a violent person but where that man is concerned, I say screw forgiveness. I find joy because its finally justice for those poor families that suffered. Plenty of people went to work that day to earn a living, and many people would have lost parents, daughters, sons, husbands, wives. If we can't be happy that that arsehole who is responsible for causing such pain and misery in this world then what can we be happy with?

I would never consider myself to be on the same level as a terrorist or a murdered, I unlike them have a heart and wouldn't dream of evoking so much pain onto someone (as in a terrorist act) (I realise I contradict myself but that piece of scum doesn't qualify as human in my opinion, he's a demon). I find it quite insulting that i'm compared to someone as disgusting as that.

I certainly don't think the people of America should be being judged for their celebrations. You can't tell me that if you lost your child because of Bin Laden you wouldn't be happy at news of his death.

I respect that you have a different opinion to mine though

*Heres the video I was talking about Footage that gets me everytime.....

- See that arm waving at 1.05?
- That person jumping at 1.06? I think its disgusting had to choose between jumping and burning alive
- 1.12 that is just the small portion of body bags needed that day
- 2.52 the poor guy on the phone whilst the towers collapsed

Why anyone should feel guilty about celebrating his death is beyond me - especially after seeing that footage.

 

[TwilightAgain]

But death isn't even justice to them (extremists) - let alone us. They are willing to die for their beliefs, death doesn't hold the same fear for them. Far more justice in denying someone like that death, in my opinion.

They should be fearful of death. They're going to spend an eternity rotting in hell. And so they should.

I agree. Death lets them off lightly. I'd go for torture but thats not right really is it, human rights and all that.

 

[Molly M]

Death lets them off lightly unless their is a God to whom they will answer, or a reincarnation that will go quite badly!

 

[TwilightAgain]

The more i read, the more riled i get...

...So Obama, Hilary Clinton and other politicians sat in a room and WATCHED Bin-Ladens murder in real time...Popcorn anyone?

Is this even legal...?

I very much doubt they were getting pleasure out of it. You see one of the women looking shocked. I imagine they did that to ensure they knew fully what the hell was going on. Its not really an operation that they can risk going belly up.....plus its one instant way of knowing if the troops are ok.

 

[TwilightAgain]

Depending on which paper you read or which channel you watch you hear something diferent. Think that just says that the media are having a field day as normal.
With regards to them showing video or photos of the scumbags death... bring it on... after all, we all saw people falling from the WTC .. why should his death be 'private' ?

I never thought of this! You're 100% right. I can't imagine how those poor family members would have felt seeing those towers come down......or see their bodies coming down from the windows its just awful. Its an image burned into my mind .......some youtube videos are very close in detail.