OT - Usama Bin Laden is DEAD!

[ouchwithNo.2]

IF he was killed this weekend, then excellent - a long time coming but they got the b*****d in the end.
However, for every extremist there are always a hundred others willing to step up and take over. The truth is it will NEVER stop. We are in a different world now, we don't need to fight each other with guns and missiles, we can allow these people to blend into our society, we sit next to them on the train, the bus. We walk by them in the supermarket.
I truly hope that he is dead, we shall never really know what happened and there will always be the consipracy theories. The photo doing the rounds is an old hoax, I heard the body was burried at sea.
This could be opening a can of worms, especially with the death of Gaddafi's son in NATO airstrikes, but, it had to be done and I am glad it has been done. Nobody else need risk their life hunting down the b*****d.

 

[bbyno1]

If it is him then i am so glad,he finally got what he deserved but i dread to think what breaking news i will be hearing on the news next.

 

[MissCurly]

i havnt read the posts but, its a bit suspect that the american intelligence had only just found him?


And personally i dont feel comfortable in rejoicing in a kill, and we always forget that many many civillians were also killed.

 

[summer rain]

On the BBc it said they filmed the whole operation and showed it to Obama in real time; if thats the case then you'd think some of that film would have been released; just to prove to the masses it was him killed? They did with Saddam.....

 

[littlestar85]

TBH I think he has been dead for years; I'm not a conspiracy theorist but no new videos came out for a long time and the most recent ones he looked quite a bit different. He wasn't mentioned by any of the other Al Qaeda leaders anytime recently either; so if he was still alive; he certainly wasn't in charge. If Obama is the president to 'kill' Bin Laden that would be very good for his poll rating. These people are poison there is always someone to take their place; also they are khawarij/kharijite; so essentially anarchists; they don't have leaders in the traditional sense. Osama's son who was married to the lady from Cheshire said his dad was in Iran, not Pakistan so that is something to think about also.

ETA: they are saying on UK newspaper sites that they are still awaiting the results of the DNA test; but they 'know' its him from facial recognition software. Personally I think he has been dead since at least 2007 (even some US sources believe he was dead since 2002); and it was reported in several Arab newspapers in the past that he was dead and had a funeral.

I really think this is the case too.

Celebrating his 'death' is pretty pointless, it's blatantly just a publicity stunt to boost Obama since the mid-terms (I liked him at the start, but in a Republican dominated congress he's powerless and has just become a puppet really).

I don't know what the general consensus is in the US but over here a LOT of people are really beginning to get sick of the UK and US governments trying to justify destroying the Middle East, wasting military resources, losing soldiers, killing civilians etc. so this is just an easy way to 'remind' people that it's all 'for the greater good.'

Osama Bin Laden is not the main issue. There are extremists out there who call themselves Muslim but clearly no nothing about Islam because what they are doing is just not Islamic in any way whatsoever. They have managed to cause devastation which has built up fear which the Western media has used to justify the oil-stealing agenda in the Mid-East by using blatant propaganda to taint all Muslims as bad. It's so sad because the only way to deal with extremism is for the Mid-East governments to work WITH the western governments but why would they when the US and UK are damaging the Mid-East so much?

Saddam may have gone, maybe Bin Laden too, Gaddafi's the latest bogeyman, eventually it'll be someone else. It doesn't change the fact that there are much bigger issues going on here.

 

[louandivy]

Osama Bin Laden is not the main issue. There are extremists out there who call themselves Muslim but clearly no nothing about Islam because what they are doing is just not Islamic in any way whatsoever. They have managed to cause devastation which has built up fear which the Western media has used to justify the oil-stealing agenda in the Mid-East by using blatant propaganda to taint all Muslims as bad. It's so sad because the only way to deal with extremism is for the Mid-East governments to work WITH the western governments but why would they when the US and UK are damaging the Mid-East so much?

I completely agree with this.

(Terrible contribution to a thread - sorry!)

 

[bathbabe]

TBH I think he has been dead for years; I'm not a conspiracy theorist but no new videos came out for a long time and the most recent ones he looked quite a bit different. He wasn't mentioned by any of the other Al Qaeda leaders anytime recently either; so if he was still alive; he certainly wasn't in charge. If Obama is the president to 'kill' Bin Laden that would be very good for his poll rating. These people are poison there is always someone to take their place; also they are khawarij/kharijite; so essentially anarchists; they don't have leaders in the traditional sense. Osama's son who was married to the lady from Cheshire said his dad was in Iran, not Pakistan so that is something to think about also.

ETA: they are saying on UK newspaper sites that they are still awaiting the results of the DNA test; but they 'know' its him from facial recognition software. Personally I think he has been dead since at least 2007 (even some US sources believe he was dead since 2002); and it was reported in several Arab newspapers in the past that he was dead and had a funeral.

I really think this is the case too.

Celebrating his 'death' is pretty pointless, it's blatantly just a publicity stunt to boost Obama since the mid-terms (I liked him at the start, but in a Republican dominated congress he's powerless and has just become a puppet really).

I don't know what the general consensus is in the US but over here a LOT of people are really beginning to get sick of the UK and US governments trying to justify destroying the Middle East, wasting military resources, losing soldiers, killing civilians etc. so this is just an easy way to 'remind' people that it's all 'for the greater good.'

Osama Bin Laden is not the main issue. There are extremists out there who call themselves Muslim but clearly no nothing about Islam because what they are doing is just not Islamic in any way whatsoever. They have managed to cause devastation which has built up fear which the Western media has used to justify the oil-stealing agenda in the Mid-East by using blatant propaganda to taint all Muslims as bad. It's so sad because the only way to deal with extremism is for the Mid-East governments to work WITH the western governments but why would they when the US and UK are damaging the Mid-East so much?

Saddam may have gone, maybe Bin Laden too, Gaddafi's the latest bogeyman, eventually it'll be someone else. It doesn't change the fact that there are much bigger issues going on here.

But the thing is with that is then why didnt Bush release it to boost himself?

 

[oboeverity]

There is no joy in war, or in death.... Bin Laden's death ends his place in a terrorist regeime, but it does not end the group that he fronted. There 's a phrase that sasy basically, if you end the life of one, you anger ten of his brothers... I would much rather he had had to answer for the atrocious things he had done.

 

[littlestar85]

TBH I think he has been dead for years; I'm not a conspiracy theorist but no new videos came out for a long time and the most recent ones he looked quite a bit different. He wasn't mentioned by any of the other Al Qaeda leaders anytime recently either; so if he was still alive; he certainly wasn't in charge. If Obama is the president to 'kill' Bin Laden that would be very good for his poll rating. These people are poison there is always someone to take their place; also they are khawarij/kharijite; so essentially anarchists; they don't have leaders in the traditional sense. Osama's son who was married to the lady from Cheshire said his dad was in Iran, not Pakistan so that is something to think about also.

ETA: they are saying on UK newspaper sites that they are still awaiting the results of the DNA test; but they 'know' its him from facial recognition software. Personally I think he has been dead since at least 2007 (even some US sources believe he was dead since 2002); and it was reported in several Arab newspapers in the past that he was dead and had a funeral.

I really think this is the case too.

Celebrating his 'death' is pretty pointless, it's blatantly just a publicity stunt to boost Obama since the mid-terms (I liked him at the start, but in a Republican dominated congress he's powerless and has just become a puppet really).

I don't know what the general consensus is in the US but over here a LOT of people are really beginning to get sick of the UK and US governments trying to justify destroying the Middle East, wasting military resources, losing soldiers, killing civilians etc. so this is just an easy way to 'remind' people that it's all 'for the greater good.'

Osama Bin Laden is not the main issue. There are extremists out there who call themselves Muslim but clearly no nothing about Islam because what they are doing is just not Islamic in any way whatsoever. They have managed to cause devastation which has built up fear which the Western media has used to justify the oil-stealing agenda in the Mid-East by using blatant propaganda to taint all Muslims as bad. It's so sad because the only way to deal with extremism is for the Mid-East governments to work WITH the western governments but why would they when the US and UK are damaging the Mid-East so much?

Saddam may have gone, maybe Bin Laden too, Gaddafi's the latest bogeyman, eventually it'll be someone else. It doesn't change the fact that there are much bigger issues going on here.

But the thing is with that is then why didnt Bush release it to boost himself?

There was nothing Bush could do to boost himself!

 

[tu123]

TBH I think he has been dead for years; I'm not a conspiracy theorist but no new videos came out for a long time and the most recent ones he looked quite a bit different. He wasn't mentioned by any of the other Al Qaeda leaders anytime recently either; so if he was still alive; he certainly wasn't in charge. If Obama is the president to 'kill' Bin Laden that would be very good for his poll rating. These people are poison there is always someone to take their place; also they are khawarij/kharijite; so essentially anarchists; they don't have leaders in the traditional sense. Osama's son who was married to the lady from Cheshire said his dad was in Iran, not Pakistan so that is something to think about also.

ETA: they are saying on UK newspaper sites that they are still awaiting the results of the DNA test; but they 'know' its him from facial recognition software. Personally I think he has been dead since at least 2007 (even some US sources believe he was dead since 2002); and it was reported in several Arab newspapers in the past that he was dead and had a funeral.

I really think this is the case too.

Celebrating his 'death' is pretty pointless, it's blatantly just a publicity stunt to boost Obama since the mid-terms (I liked him at the start, but in a Republican dominated congress he's powerless and has just become a puppet really).

I don't know what the general consensus is in the US but over here a LOT of people are really beginning to get sick of the UK and US governments trying to justify destroying the Middle East, wasting military resources, losing soldiers, killing civilians etc. so this is just an easy way to 'remind' people that it's all 'for the greater good.'

Osama Bin Laden is not the main issue. There are extremists out there who call themselves Muslim but clearly no nothing about Islam because what they are doing is just not Islamic in any way whatsoever. They have managed to cause devastation which has built up fear which the Western media has used to justify the oil-stealing agenda in the Mid-East by using blatant propaganda to taint all Muslims as bad. It's so sad because the only way to deal with extremism is for the Mid-East governments to work WITH the western governments but why would they when the US and UK are damaging the Mid-East so much?

Saddam may have gone, maybe Bin Laden too, Gaddafi's the latest bogeyman, eventually it'll be someone else. It doesn't change the fact that there are much bigger issues going on here.

But the thing is with that is then why didnt Bush release it to boost himself?

Exactly! And Blair?

This is an interesting thread. Obviously, those people who have had personal experience of grief, etc, related to terrorism are quite glad that he is 10 feet under. Others worry about killing as justice is wrong. Yeah, it is. But i am still pleased.

There will always be "terrorists" and bad people. Anyone ever read Animal Farm? It's part of human nature-some people are nasty evil *******s.

We may not know the correct version of how he was killed until the 40yrs are over due to "The Official Secrets Act". But, TBH, this man was dying anyway.

And for those who say capital punishment is wrong. I agree. But would you feel differently if your husband or child was killed by an act of terrorism?
You would want him hung, drawn and quartered?

This is how i think some Americans may feel and is why they are "celebrating". It is SOMETHING (not justification) for them to hold on to?

 

[xemmax]

But our justice system is based on objectivity. Witnesses and victims are not allowed to make decisions on punishment - that's the point. Of course if I'd lost someone on 9/11 I'd be glad Bin Laden was dead - but I'd be glad because it is revenge, it isn't justice. Him dying has in no way righted the wrong in my opinion.

 

[Lightworker]

Tu123- I don't think one can make the assumption that if our loved ones were killed we would automatically want the responsible person to be "hung, drawn and quartered". There are people who believe wholly in the concept of forgiveness and letting go of grudges as these are not good for the soul. I have read Animal Farm but I don't believe people are evil through and through. I like the saying that "some of the most atrocious acts began with the best of intentions".

 

[littlestar85]

But our justice system is based on objectivity. Witnesses and victims are not allowed to make decisions on punishment - that's the point. Of course if I'd lost someone on 9/11 I'd be glad Bin Laden was dead - but I'd be glad because it is revenge, it isn't justice. Him dying has in no way righted the wrong in my opinion.

I agree

 

[tu123]

Tu123- I don't think one can make the assumption that if our loved ones were killed we would automatically want the responsible person to be "hung, drawn and quartered". There are people who believe wholly in the concept of forgiveness and letting go of grudges as these are not good for the soul. I have read Animal Farm but I don't believe people are evil through and through. I like the saying that "some of the most atrocious acts began with the best of intentions".

And i totally agree with you apart from Bin Laden not being evil through and through.

But others dont, which is why they are celebrating. And i can understand that.

I suppose unless we have "been there" we would never know how we would react?

 

[Monkeyarmy]

Truth JUSTICE and Liberty to all.....unless you did us wrong then we will shoot you in the face and dump your corpse at sea.

 

[Lightworker]

tu123- you could say that but reactions are not involuntary, they are choices we make to feel a certain way. Lol don't mean to get philosophical its just my take on things but I do get why people would see his death as a good thing, even if I don't agree with it, both from a personal point of view but also from a legal and ethical one.

 

[MissCurly]

i think people forget that persons like osama bin laden are simply pawns in a big political game.

i just find it annoying that there are innocent people being killed by the brits/americans too. Israel continues to defy countless UN resolutions whilst uncle Sam continues to veto countless resolutions which may bring justice to Palestenians - funny how we keep ignoring that!! death is death, yet we continue to put a greater value to western lives than that of others around the world. Let's not kid ourselves. When we in the West ostensibly go to a fight a war to liberate oppresive reigimes, we always ask ourselves, what's in it for us?

(read john pilger)


anyway all, time for bed!

 

[Lightworker]

Misscurly- you are awesome! I also get tired of all the praise we give to the superpowers yet they are responsible for countless civilian deaths which no one bothers to think of, just some little 3rd world life that means nothing, oh well. Its so effing unfair. I am sick of their propagandist BS, really I am. I fell in love with A Problem from Hell it really is an awesome illustration of the crap we get fed.

 

[Lina]

Misscurly- you are awesome! I also get tired of all the praise we give to the superpowers yet they are responsible for countless civilian deaths which no one bothers to think of, just some little 3rd world life that means nothing, oh well. Its so effing unfair. I am sick of their propagandist BS, really I am. I fell in love with A Problem from Hell it really is an awesome illustration of the crap we get fed.

Absolutely concur!
You hear one trooper being killed whilst on an illegal mission in a foreign land on the orders of dubious governments and his fall is thrust into our faces and we must all mourn. Yet millions have been displaced, orphaned, disabled and slaughtered and such is mentioned rarely if at all. A life is a life, none is more valuable than the next.

 

[anna matronic]

Bush was already serving his second term so didn't need a boost and Blair was resigning handing over to Gordon brown so probs didn't need the boost either

is this gonna help boost David cameron? No he's still a twat x