OT - Usama Bin Laden is DEAD!

[Dopeyjopey]

Terrorism:

–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

I wonder how innocent civilians in the middle of an airstrike from the UK/US feel? Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya... I wonder if we are seen to be terrorists in their eyes? If they killed the queen (I can't use Cameron in this analogy hahaha) and were chanting in the streets and having parties over it how would it make us feel? I know it's difficult to see because the Taliban are only seen to be bad, but they truly believe (rightly or wrongly) that the west is bad.

The celebrations also make me think of Lord of the Flies

 

[AlwaysPraying]

I wonder how innocent civilians in the middle of an airstrike from the UK/US feel? Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya... I wonder if we are seen to be terrorists in their eyes? If they killed the queen (I can't use Cameron in this analogy hahaha) and were chanting in the streets and having parties over it how would it make us feel? I know it's difficult to see because the Taliban are only seen to be bad, but they truly believe (rightly or wrongly) that the west is bad.

I've been trying to word this very comment myself!!

 

[Peachypoo]

I don't believe anything the media says!!! The whole system is flawed!!! Millions of innocents are dieing in afganistan, Libya and Iraq in the name of "fight against terrorism".. 10 years ago they went into afganistan and it seems like the war become even worse! Attacks on 9/11 were "alleged". By al Qaeda.. Bin ladens death or even starting wars in these countries was not the solution! ! Wat now? More attacks? More civilian casualties? Innocents have suffered enough!

 

[ShanandBoc]

At the end of the day, America are murderers just as Osama was a murderer.

Why is it when they kill it seems to be ok?

Return Evil for evil to no one.......

 

[PrayinForBaby]

At the end of the day, America are murderers just as Osama was a murderer.

Why is it when they kill it seems to be ok?

Return Evil for evil to no one.......

Very broad generalization dear....if you had read my post, I'm an American through and through, yet I dont kill people or celebrate when others are killed.

 

[iHeartbaby#1]

Misscurly- you are awesome! I also get tired of all the praise we give to the superpowers yet they are responsible for countless civilian deaths which no one bothers to think of, just some little 3rd world life that means nothing, oh well. Its so effing unfair. I am sick of their propagandist BS, really I am. I fell in love with A Problem from Hell it really is an awesome illustration of the crap we get fed.

Absolutely concur!
You hear one trooper being killed whilst on an illegal mission in a foreign land on the orders of dubious governments and his fall is thrust into our faces and we must all mourn. Yet millions have been displaced, orphaned, disabled and slaughtered and such is mentioned rarely if at all. A life is a life, none is more valuable than the next.

I agree with you both! It's like death penalties...the person who killed gets killed. Why is it ok for one but not the other? And war...sadly yes, the US was attacked and innocent people were killed. Why does that make it right for us to go out and kill THEIR innocent people? I was against the war on terror from the beginning. This goes for any war, that was just my example.

I definitely like how far we've come in the long run, though! I literally cried during Bush's speech when he gave thanks to all the countries that helped New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina hit. Just look how many there were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina. Watching people suffer from lost homes and loved ones anywhere is horrible and now with the earthquake/tsunami disaster I donated to Japan and put a message to my FB friends that they should do the same if they can - even if it's just a few dollars. It's nice to know that we can all come together and help out when it's needed most... were that much closer to world peace!

 

[ShanandBoc]

At the end of the day, America are murderers just as Osama was a murderer.

Why is it when they kill it seems to be ok?

Return Evil for evil to no one.......

Very broad generalization dear....if you had read my post, I'm an American through and through, yet I dont kill people or celebrate when others are killed.

Im speaking of the government, obviously not citizens Re - their planned assassination of Osama, im sorry i should have made that more clear x

 

[neeyore]

I do find it disgusting that people are partying in the streets, what a state this world has come to that we find joy in a persons death

You know I thought a similar thing when watching the news, but then tried to look at the reasoning behind the celebrating - I can truly understand the joyous response of those who had some connection to victims of or experience of 9/11 because it provided some closure for the trauma caused.
I know for a fact that millions of Libyans, including my husband, will not only be glad of but will be celebrating the death of Muamar Gaddaffi because of not just the terrible things he's done since February 17th, but because of the oppressive rule and quite frankly evil acts that he is responsible for inflicting upon the Libyan people for the last 42 years (things that most people dont know about or couldn't even imagine). So I can see how a person's ending could bring about celebrating for those who have suffered because of that person.
I dont agree however with any celebrating on the grounds that the USA has 'conquered' or 'triumphed' or proved how great a nation it is through this, because I think that that is something completely different.

But regardless, I stil totally agree with you that it is so sad that our LOs will be growing up in a world where we get joy from or find peace at the death of a person.

 

[tu123]

I do find it disgusting that people are partying in the streets, what a state this world has come to that we find joy in a persons death

You know I thought a similar thing when watching the news, but then tried to look at the reasoning behind the celebrating - I can truly understand the joyous response of those who had some connection to victims of or experience of 9/11 because it provided some closure for the trauma caused.
I know for a fact that millions of Libyans, including my husband, will not only be glad of but will be celebrating the death of Muamar Gaddaffi because of not just the terrible things he's done since February 17th, but because of the oppressive rule and quite frankly evil acts that he is responsible for inflicting upon the Libyan people for the last 42 years (things that most people dont know about or couldn't even imagine). So I can see how a person's ending could bring about celebrating for those who have suffered because of that person.
I dont agree however with any celebrating on the grounds that the USA has 'conquered' or 'triumphed' or proved how great a nation it is through this, because I think that that is something completely different.

But regardless, I stil totally agree with you that it is so sad that our LOs will be growing up in a world where we get joy from or find peace at the death of a person.

Exactly! I dont think any of what has happened is ethical -the whole thing is a mess.

BUT, i can see it from peoples' point of view. Those who have been directly effected by loss of a loved one.

They were interviewing a lady who lost her son to 9/11 on the Beeb this morning. She said she had some "closure". She recognised the mess and knows that there are plenty of other terrorists out there. But for her, it is significant in helping her deal with the death of her only son.

 

[jojo2605]

I can't help but think that Bin Laden wasn't captured and put on trial simply because there just isn't enough evidence to support their theory that he was behind 9/11? And if that is the case then they would have to explain why they went to war on Afganistan.... no best to get him shot and dumped in the ocean. Most people will be happy with that and won't ask questions huh!

 

[xemmax]

I can't help but think that Bin Laden wasn't captured and put on trial simply because there just isn't enough evidence to support their theory that he was behind 9/11? And if that is the case then they would have to explain why they went to war on Afganistan.... no best to get him shot and dumped in the ocean. Most people will be happy with that and won't ask questions huh!

This this this!!

He was killed illegally to cover up their mess.

Or at least it would have been illegal without those magical Terrorism Acts that were invented to excuse all government/forces behaviour in need of excusing...

We live in a world where innocent men are shot dead for running through train stations with rucksacks on. No matter the crime, it can be justified by an Act.

 

[Lellow]

Dropped in the ocean?

Why was this done?

 

[Dopeyjopey]

Dropped in the ocean?

Why was this done?

Apparently to avoid there being a grave for people to visit.

Just seems like a convenient way to hide anything slightly amiss to me though...

 

[Lellow]

I do not agree with that, thats appalling!

He did awful things to the west and his own people, but he is a father, a son, a husband, an uncle, a grand-dad too, his family [the innocents] deserve to have the respect of being able to bury him.

Who is anyone to decide this apart from his family - Thats just awful, it really is!!!

 

[RJsMum]

Dropped in the ocean?

Why was this done?

This was also to follow Islamic (?) custom it seems.

 

[Lellow]

Dropped in the ocean?

Why was this done?

This was also to follow Islamic (?) custom it seems.

No, i can assure you it isnt an Islamic custom....

 

[Sarah&Ady]

I do not agree with that, thats appalling!

He did awful things to the west and his own people, but he is a father, a son, a husband, an uncle, a grand-dad too, his family [the innocents] deserve to have the respect of being able to bury him.

Who is anyone to decide this apart from his family - Thats just awful, it really is!!!

To be fair, the familes of the people that died in the WTC didnt get a say in how their loved ones were put to rest. IMO.. it is only right that he be denied the same.

 

[xemmax]

I do not agree with that, thats appalling!

He did awful things to the west and his own people, but he is a father, a son, a husband, an uncle, a grand-dad too, his family [the innocents] deserve to have the respect of being able to bury him.

Who is anyone to decide this apart from his family - Thats just awful, it really is!!!

To be fair, the familes of the people that died in the WTC didnt get a say in how their loved ones were put to rest. IMO.. it is only right that he be denied the same.

I think the point Lellow was making is that it isn't him being denied it - it is his family.

 

[Lightworker]

Jojo- you are quite right! Why didn't they just cuff him and send him to the Hague or relevant tribunal?

 

[Sarah&Ady]

I do not agree with that, thats appalling!

He did awful things to the west and his own people, but he is a father, a son, a husband, an uncle, a grand-dad too, his family [the innocents] deserve to have the respect of being able to bury him.

Who is anyone to decide this apart from his family - Thats just awful, it really is!!!

To be fair, the familes of the people that died in the WTC didnt get a say in how their loved ones were put to rest. IMO.. it is only right that he be denied the same.

I think the point Lellow was making is that it isn't him being denied it - it is his family.

What about the familes of victims? They have also been denied the right of a funeral/burial/cremation. So why should a terrorists family get the option?